Posts by ill-pray-4-u

Quote from motorp77

2016 i kind of not agree with PWF, it was popular but way way lower success than the other 3. Actually Whistle did at least as much as PWF in 2016. Also BST by BTS could have a shot at making the list, Navirella too but imo Fxxk It by Big Bang totally dominated the end of the year and should be here too.

2017 : If you talk about national hit, signal and Ko ko bop did better than AIIYL, and I WIll go to you like the first snow is a big miss from that year, as its arguably Ailee's biggest song in Korea. IU's Palette was also a good success.

Fine by Taeyeon also should have been here. Really Really is very arguable.

2018 : IU Bbibbi did much better than you think, and did better than DTNA, Idol and BB. Solo shouldn't be here if Bbibbi isn't imo. Travel by Bol4 was very big during end spring early summer. Flower Road by Big Bang also dominated the beginning of the year. Fake Love should be here, as it did pretty much as good as Idol. Also Siren smh.

2019 : I would tend to agree on that one, though Dalla Dalla and Gotta Go could've been here. AKMU's How Can I Love the Heartbreak, You're the One I Love was an absolute national hit and should be here. If you count songs that got success in 2020, Psycho, Hip, Meteor should be here. Also Blueming which is arguably as big as BWL.

2020 : How tf did you miss Any Song lmao. Also Eight by IU (you should always check IU's realeases when doing those lists as she is alwasy up there). Also SSAK3's Beach Again. VVS is also killing it this end of the year. Aloha also did amazing as an ost. Start Over by Gaho also could've been here. Dolphin and Nonstop...

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PWF wasn't quite as big as those three in some regards, but it spent more weeks in the upper half of the charts than any of those three songs did, 41 weeks to be exact. TT spent 44 weeks in the top 100. It fell hard once it left the top. There are many measures of success, and you're only looking at one it seems.

Signal flopped after like two weeks, and Kokobop had no longevity overall. AIIYL has the record for most weeks in the domestic Gaon top 100, and is the ONLY girl group song to manage to make the streaming chart on Gaon in 5 straight years. The song is really paid dust for being the GG song with the best longevity.

Quote from myaza

Yeah, Fake Love had a PAK and was #19 on yearly chart, while PWF was #71.

I think if we have such a list, even Fire and BST might make it.

Fake Love was released in April, PWF at the end of October.
Please use logic for once in your life lmao.

Quote from sadsavely

don't feel like editing my comment again but idk if LSG can be considered a national hit

Edit: if you consider PWF a national hit Knock Knock and Likey are also national hits since they have certs

KK and Likey took a long ass time to get them and also had terrible longevity.

PWF spent more weeks in the top 50 of Gaon than Likey and KK did for their entire run in the Gaon top 100 lol.

Quote from clementine15

so..how can yall say they’re the better concert when you never watched the other’s concerts before and therefore have no bearing on the quality?

Ive watched both. You cant really compare bc they’re both very different but awesome experiences. They both invest an incredible amount on their performances.

I said I wouldn't say which is better since I haven't seen two of the three. My guess would be that I would like BP's the best because in my 11 years of enjoying kpop, YG has consistently had the best productions visually when it comes to concerts(and to some extent MVs). Scene design, props, number of dancers, effects and lighting, all seem to be more "high budget" or at least appear that way. My educatated guess would be that in this scenario BP's would also have superior quality in the visual department. However, I can't make a definitive judgement because I haven't seen the others, I can only make guesses. Again, if there was a poll saying "which is better" I wouldn't vote because I can't say for sure. If there was a poll that said "which would (future tense) probably be the best", in that case I would vote.

Quality won.

I've only seen one, so I can't really say which was best. If there was a poll, I wouldn't vote. However,

I would imagine BP's would be the most enjoyable just because YG concerts tend to have extremely high budget for the visuals. stage effects etc. I like things that look more grandiose when it comes to live concerts, otherwise I would just watch videos of their music show performances with live vocals and it would be practically the same thing.

Quote from HardcoreBLINK

No...

Pretty sure it's records (albums sps + singles sps + tracks sps)

For example THE ALBUM has 5.3M SPS or HYLT has 12M sps so it's factored into those 120M records sold

Records only includes sales, but it counts 1 download the same as 1 album purchase.
Units includes streams as well, and it doesn't count all sales the same. It's more of a formula.

Units is measured in "equivalent units" and records is just number of times an artist has made a sale of music.

Blackpink has more units sold, less records sold.

They are my bias group but I'm not gonna go against the facts

Quote from dryheat

I was trying to be nice...but since you asked i don't like their voices here tbh

It's because those are actually live without pitch correction and heavy tonal adjustment. Because it's not 100 percent perfect with the lack of pitch correction, it doesn't sound as good. It's actually more "raw"
TXT's, while a one take, has been heavily processed as far as pitch. You can hear it in the places where they needed more help.

Quote from HardcoreBLINK

No bp sold 120M records lmaooooooo

120m SPS units, not records. The two things are strange as hell. Industry uses both figures but still differentiates the two.

Quote from jinaland

Still both are processed extensively doesn't prove someone's live vocal ability. So it was bad example from the beginning. I have posted actual live performances later in my post.

Yeah what you posted was a lot more live from a "raw" perspective.

Quote from dryheat

Yes here comes the self proclaimed audio expert lol...

Point is it's nice to hear the first take without having to do it over and over to hit notes. That's more raw to me than lip synching on music shows.

I'm not a music expert by any means, but I do have a lot of experience with audio engineering within music.

First take is nice as far as it being one take, even if it still is heavily processed. I don't think TXT needs it, but it's still audible.

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Since OP talked about this. Let me promote my boys here. Almost 100% live without processing.

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Wow you managed to find three videos with no actual pitch correction (unlike on the "first take" program) on them AND audible vocals not entirely covered by the backing track. More and more rare these days.

The vocals are still clearly edited here (pitch correction, among other effects), but regardless of that they clearly have vocal ability.
The editing is much less so than most artists on most other programs, for sure.

Quote from Sameera96

Why such a liar.

I'm sorry the truth hurts you?

Quote from Alex_Murphy

DEAL WITH IT

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The user is correct according to the source, not if they are saying "albums." 2NE1 has sold 66.5 million RECORDS, but not albums. Records is just 1 sale = 1 record. They have about 66m digital records sold, plus like 600k or so(I don't know the exact number) albums sold to get that number. 1 song sale is 1 record and 1 album sale is 1 record.

For whatever reason most music industries go with "records sold" to try to bridge the gap between the physical and digital eras.

BP has sold more albums, 2NE1 has sold more records (for now).

Quote from myaza

This is what kicked this whole thing off:

"It's really just BTS and BP. Saying "Kpop" is a bit strange.

There's a big gap between those two and the rest of Kpop. I don't see any other group getting an album to 1b streams for an extremely long time."

This is factually wrong and if blinks would stop doing this we would not have the fanwars we have. Dont put BP on the same level as BTS.

Im not going to read your essay about BP and Twice because I have no interest in your girl group fights. Stick to that and we wont have problems.

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What kicked the whole thing off was you crying about my statement despite it being true.

The OP posted something that says "kpop" but 4/5ths of that "kpop" is only one group. Regardless of how big the gap is, only two groups are achieving both things being discussed in the OP's post. Thus, there is a gap between the two groups and kpop (despite, yes BTS being bigger in some aspects) since only two groups can accomplish both of those things.

That's as simple as I can make it for you kids.

Quote from myaza

When we talk about "levels", then its about dividing objects into groups based on some metric. If we have a continuous metric like Spotify streams, then there are no groups which are exactly on the same level, since the exact numbers are always different. You cant have "having the same anything" as a concept.

In that case when we want to divide the objects into groups one of the most common methods is one-dimensional k-means clustering. In that case the model takes the numbers for objects (in this case streams for kpop groups) and considers is "distance" between clusters. Then it minimizes the within group distance and maximizes the between-groups distance. This way we find the solution where the groups are as well separated as possible.

So, since we are talking about spotify, lets take daily streams for kpop groups few days ago:pasted-from-clipboard.png

You might notice immediately how much bigger BTS is compared to the rest.

The distances are even clearer if we view it like this:

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So, even intuitively, if we want to divide this into two groups now: kpop and "beyond kpop", then even if we draw the line in the middle, we get only BTS on one side:

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Going back to the whole clustering approach, we get this:pasted-from-clipboard.png

Different colors show different clusters.

You can see how if we only divide the groups into 2, we get BTS and the rest, as expected.

If we go with 3 groups, we get BTS, then BP+Twice and then the rest

If we go with 4 groups, we get BTS, then BP, then Twice and then the rest.

In no situation whatsoever do we get BTS + BP.

Why? It should be clear if you look at the graphs and see how much further away from the rest BTS is. You have a lot of groups pretty close, then you have a gap of 2 million to twice, then you have a gap of 3 million to BP and then you have a gap of 13 million to BTS.

In best case scenario, you get that BTS, BP and Twice are separated from the rest of kpop, while BTS is still much much further away. But I think thats not what you want?

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Imagine being this triggered to go through all this effort to completely miss the mark lmao.

Quote from Sameera96

Same ol blinks desperately trying to put bp on par with BTS yet again. Calling them global when the City Girls out streamed them in America that too while one was in prison.

Statistics show only Thailand is where BTS is 2nd and we know why that is. :suggestiver:

For Spotify album debuts in Asia, BP was overall ahead of BTS. This includes quite a few countries.
It's pretty close in a lot of places, despite BTS still being ahead worldwide.

Why so pressed? BTS is still #1 in most metrics.

Quote from myaza

I put the arrows according to actual gaps, so thats how it looks.

Thats good for BP, but you also have to take into account that majority of these 24 songs have been promoted and a large part have been playlisted, while the majority of songs for groups with larger amount of songs have not had promos or playlisting. And majority of kpop streams is by fandom anyway, with Dynamite being the only excpetion with majority GP streams. So the same people still give the same amount of streams, if theres more songs, then its distributed over more songs and per songs averages would be lower.

If blinks would stick to "BP is on another level compared to kpop (BTS excluded)" or "BP is on another level when it comes to girl groups", we wouldnt be having these issues. Its blinks coming with "BTS and BP" that is causing all the problems, because its factually incorrect.

Imagine being this pressed and delusional to make up bold faced lies lmao.

Quote from myaza

I literally posted results of statistical analysis called clustering in this thread. That proved BP is in a group with rest of kpop and BTS is separate form kpop. Or BP is with Twice.

Except what you posted is skewed data that compares two completely unrelated figures to prove a narrative lmao. Keep pushing it though, it's only working on armies.