Posts by ill-pray-4-u

Quote from oddol

gaon it's the same chart but it depends on charts that had huge changes lmao

and most of the charts popular back then lost their userst and there are new ones now

there are so many charts and still songs reaches the 100M gaon streaming certification when they have about 70M streams on melon. so about 70% come from melon. seems like the biggest platform to me...

Yes Gaon is the same chart as always. Even if one chart changes, it still always shows the cumulative digital of all charts. Regardless of changes in one chart, it’s a lot more reliable to compare songs using the performance on the charting in Gaon than figures related to just one chart such as melon.

Literally the breakdown of the market is 34 percent Melon, and (to my memory) 23 percent Genie, 15 percent vibe, 16 percent Flo, 1 percent bugs, the rest is other.

The info is publicly available.

Melon is the biggest but not a behemoth.

Quote from salem9

If melon isn’t that relevant on gaon’s numbers, then how do you exactly explain the HIGH amount of decrease of new hits specifically since it’s reform? Everyone has flopped since the change: AKMU, Heize, Mino, Baek Yerin, Bol4, etc etc.

Is it just a coincidence? I don’t think so

If melon is not that relevant then how come people didn’t listen those releases in other platforms such as Flo or Genie?

AAIYL is also re surfacing due to Blackpink’s increase in popularity. During 2020 it only accumulated 30M digital points. In 2019 almost 40M

That’s not much if you compare it with monster hits that came out around the same time: Through the night, You, Clouds, Rain; Spring Day, etc

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You can’t complain that it’s too easy to maintain success since melon reformed and then also complain that it’s too difficult to achieve success. Make up your mind about which false narrative you want to spew.

AIIYL is always resurfacing because it’s always hovering at or near the top 200 of streaming platforms. Besides Spring Day it’s the only idol song to chart on gaon Digital in 5 separate calendar years. Most songs can’t even reach 3, let alone 5 years in a row. It has nothing to do with their popularity rising, otherwise it would have jumped a lot more than the few spots it did. You were trying to defend CU’s piss poor longevity once it fell out of the charts, and you did a terrible job of it.

Quote from salem9

Cheer Up is still the top female idol song by a lot. People claimed DDDD would overtake it and it still hasn’t happened

There is no fair statistical evidence of that (unless you're going solely on one statistic, which is problematic in and of itself). Clearly you're being subjective and delusional.

DDDD can still chart on Gaon's streaming chart from time to time, CU hasn't made an appearance once since it fell out of the chart.

CU is forgotten about and irrelevant today.

Quote from salem9

Melon is still the biggest chart out there and the movement in the top 10 hasn’t changed much since months already. It’s actually really boring to see. Ofc it will also affect gaon’s chart too

Cheer Up is the highest charting female idol song on melon’s decade chart. It is way too soon to claim LSG can surpass that already

Melon is 34 percent of the market. Melon's market share has been going down, and other charts have been rising. However, Gaon is indicative of all of Korea's streaming platforms, which shows more movement in the top 10. Gaon hasn't changed in years, so its a lot better to use when comparing past songs.

CU benefited from the time of its release being earlier. Any song from much later was at a big disadvantage and it would be disingenuous to claim otherwise.

Quote from salem9

BB and DDDD didn’t even surpass 50 weeks. That’s nowhere near close to the songs I listed here

DDDD hit 50 weeks on melon and 51 weeks on Gaon. Although it still charts on the top 200 of both charts on and off, unlike CU.

However, your logic and reasoning is hypocritical. Before you used the excuse of "impact" and "initial peak charting" to not include AIIYL despite charting similarly to CU in longevity. D4 had the same number of weeks at the top, very similar charting. However, D4's peak was even bigger than CU's considering it holds the record for highest digital index on Gaon for a single week, as well as most UL's in a day and week for a girl group song.
It's very clear you're just looking to name specific songs as National Hits and only applying certain criteria at certain times when it benefits your views, rather than applying such a thing uniformly.

Quote from salem9

Cheer Up had a more impactful peak on charts and was arguably bigger virally

Yeah but it was forgotten about after 2017. AIIYL still charts. Even on melon daily it is never further down than the top 250. Cheer Up isn't even in the top 1000 most of the time. There are different forms of impact and clearly CU was one and done.

Quote from gerrard174

AAIYL charted in 3 years. And people still say it is not national hit.

I find it funny people trying hard to define 'national hit' when they dont live in korea. All the metrics they come up with, are either biased or not representive.

Cheer up had a good peak and was the breakthrough song. But doesnt mean songs like AIIYL which didnt hit #1 wasnt doing as well. You have to look at the relative competition as at that time.

AIIYL charted in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021. That's 5 separate years. Although the song has only been out for 3 years and like 8 months now.

Quote from salem9

LSG is doing very very good but I don’t think it makes much sense to compare it’s performance with a song that came out under different chart conditions

IU recently broke the record for the most PAK hours ever on melon. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bigger than, let’s say, TTN or Blueming

Flawed logic.

Gaon is still the same chart it ever was, including all digital platforms in Korea. LSG has already passed Cheer Up for weeks in the top 10 on Gaon, at the rate its going it will easily pass in weeks in the top 100 as well (although AIIYL already did that).

AIIYL is charting on Gaon 5 separate charting years after its release. Cheer Up didn't chart in the top 200 a single time since it left the chart in like 2017 lmao.

OP is deluded if he thinks there are only 3 and one of them is Cheer Up.

Quote from PeachPig

in your twisted mind 1+1=3 is a fact, just to bring your "facts" into perspective

Only to those delusional like yourself.

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in your case it would be at least justified

Lol nah. Can't be banned for always speaking facts.
Maybe for you though.

Seems a lot was lost. I, too, thought perhaps I had been banned.

Quote from pchromo4

you cared enough to reply to me first, you'll have my approval someday

Ew lmao. Don't want or need approval from someone so deluded.

Quote from pchromo4

you sound sad cheer up sweetie

Lmao sorry to have embarrassed you.

Quote from pchromo4

so you call people deluded because you have no argument lollll, I understand now

fyi it's cute that you want my approval on "lovesick girls" that badly but it's not that important!

There's no use speaking facts to someone so delusional, so I'm not wasting my time.
I don't need your approval, which is why I'm not going into that. You clearly are pressed, as others have pointed out.
Cry more.

Quote from pchromo4

so you think "lovesick girls" and "cheer up" are the same level right now?

what did I say that was deluded?

- "lovesick girls" and "cheer up" are both hits but are still on different levels right now?

- melon doesn't have the same market share or significance in 2021 as in 2016?

- "lovesick girls" and "spring day" aren't on the same level right now either for longevity because it's too soon to tell?

please explain which one is wrong besides just getting mad about non-blink's opinions lol

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Triggered so much you wrote that much? Yikes the delusion is spiraling

Quote from pchromo4

everyone's standards are different, I agree there can be 10-20 smash hits a year but I consider national hits to be a special tier. "lovesick girls" and "cheer up" are both big hits but they're not on the same tier for me so it doesn't feel nuanced to label both national hits. melon doesn't have the same kind of market share or significance in 2020 as it had in 2016 when "cheer up" was released so it's hard for me to judge just based on top 10 charting longevity. if "lovesick girls" becomes like "spring day" where it charts for years then sure I can look back and say it was a national hit but it's too early to say now.

Imagine being this^ deluded lmao

Quote from ninichan

since it's "easier" to stick in the top 10 after the reform can we consider LGO as a flop for falling out?

compared to LSG it's a huge flop

Blackpink really is a wall when it comes to dance practice vids. Not only having the most with so many views, but also having way more views in general.

They are still the biggest Korean girl group in Japan (unless you consider NiziU Kpop then it's debatable).
There are many bigger girl groups in Japan however (as far as recognition, public visibility etc), all of them being Japanese girl groups.
Still the biggest Korean girl group by a pretty decent margin though.

From my perspective of living in an urban environment in Japan since not long after Twice debuted in Japan until now.