IVE‘s success contributed to Lesserafims hype imo

I could see it. Not sure if it’s the largest factor for their hype, but I do understand what you mean.

I wanna be wrong about that but long term I don't see IVE competing with Aespa, Lesserafim, NMIXX. It is just a big agency, small agency thing.

Starship has grown but I don't think they are mentally capable of managing a top tier group. We've seen similar scenario happen countless times with small to mid tier agencies. Infinite, Beast, Gfriend, MonstaX all had great momentums and were/are are successful but they couldn't really reach to the top.

hear that, thats called uncle fans, its iz*one carry over

That's actually not a completely stupid thought. Kpop fans love comparing groups and I don't think Lesserafim would as be as successful as they are now without Sakura and Chaewon. That's not to devalue the girl's talent and music of course.

It's a factor for sure. Competition is a good thing for labels, you can bet that fanbars and fanbases are gonna go all out in the next round of comebacks to outdo the others. EG. Wonyoung Cbars will redouble their efforts seeing as how Sakura C bar just edged them out in album sales.

But the biggest factor is just the star quality of Izone. Their chemistry just jumps off the screen. It's no secret that every single member has been successful post debut, except for poor Chaeyeon and Minju. Everyone is charting, selling albums, appearing in varieties, bagging CF deals, winning Brand awards, and even doing small acting gigs.

Izone managed to cultivate a small but dedicated fanbase that speaks loudly and way beyond their numbers. 23,000 KWizones spent over THREE MILLION DOLLARS just for the chance at seeing Izone remain together. That's over 100 bucks per person in donations. And who knows how much money they wouldve raised if the C Wizones and J Wizones wouldve been allowed to donate, probably over 5 MILLION dollars at least.

I don’t know but I noticed something when Sakura China bar published their sales two days later WY fanbase confirmed that they raised over 98k albums I don’t think they would’ve gone that far if Sakura fans didn’t brag, it’s clear that the next album Sakura fanbase will try to break Wonyoung’s record.

Even if they have a lot of wizones who support both groups, it’s clear the rest chose their side.

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I wanna be wrong about that but long term I don't see IVE competing with Aespa, Lesserafim, NMIXX. It is just a big agency, small agency thing.

Starship has grown but I don't think they are mentally capable of managing a top tier group. We've seen similar scenario happen countless times with small to mid tier agencies. Infinite, Beast, Gfriend, MonstaX all had great momentums and were/are are successful but they couldn't really reach to the top.

SISTAR were digital Queens though, all the way to the end.

I agree and I think the rivalry will benefit both groups

snsd vs 2ne1 and bp vs twice is cemented in kpop history

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I wanna be wrong about that but long term I don't see IVE competing with Aespa, Lesserafim, NMIXX. It is just a big agency, small agency thing.

Starship has grown but I don't think they are mentally capable of managing a top tier group. We've seen similar scenario happen countless times with small to mid tier agencies. Infinite, Beast, Gfriend, MonstaX all had great momentums and were/are are successful but they couldn't really reach to the top.

Humm Sistar was the only gg that managed to beat topgg SNSD record on kcharts (9 consecutive #1s VS 8 consecutive #1s) so I wouldnt be so bold to say that Starship doesn't know how to keep momentum when their first group debuted with a hit and disbanded with a hit. IVE isnt far behind to any gg right now, matter of fact they are leading internationally and have the current it girl while also being stable and 3rd best performing 4th gen group on kcharts. For album sales, in 5 months they sold 700k+. So only a major fuck up would make them lose momentum, or they could still grow steadily like BTS that managed to be the only exception to the rule.

so the premise is that because of the Wonyoung-Sakura rivalry that the fans of both try to "outdo" one another by increasing sales and streams and whatnot?

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That‘s one part of it. The other part is that kpop Fans Love comparing groups to each other in general, which is why many people were excited to see whether LSFM would manage to defeat IVE

i guess it can be a good thing or a bad thing like

an eagle soars higher to beat a fellow eagle

but a kite trys to cut the strings of it's fellow kite

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That‘s a very interesting, but also a very accurate image.

In this case the fans probably truly want one group to be completely on top of the other.

Some have said that this WY vs SK fanwar is one of the most intense GG fanwars since blackjacks vs sones, so it’ll definitely be interesting to witness in the future

it is isn't it - one might say everything selfmate says is "interesting"

and for a lot of them they'll show it with both methods as well

the good ones will compete by streaming more, buying more, positively hyping their fav up more aka eagle

the bad ones will trash the other group and all that aka kite

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I wanna be wrong about that but long term I don't see IVE competing with Aespa, Lesserafim, NMIXX. It is just a big agency, small agency thing.

Starship has grown but I don't think they are mentally capable of managing a top tier group. We've seen similar scenario happen countless times with small to mid tier agencies. Infinite, Beast, Gfriend, MonstaX all had great momentums and were/are are successful but they couldn't really reach to the top.

BTS would have a word with you lol, even if you want to get into starship, Sistar was one of the best performing act digitally during 2nd gen, from their debut to their disband song