Posts by Tenken101

Quote from sassily

I think he's a fan of Iz*one/Produce lol he basically picked all his faves who were available (they wanted Minju too, that would have been 4 ex-Produce trainees!) and re-debuted them.

Honestly? I actually wouldn't be that surprised if Bang PD was an in-the-closet Wiz*One lol. He probably bought a couple of houses to store his IZ*One albums somewhere

But like....the song is so freaking good. Deserved I says!

Wow it feels like AGES since I saw Juri and Sakura together in the same room. Suddenly having P48 DDU DU DDU DU flashbacks lol

The song is so good though! Deserved! (also that picture is epic lol)

OMG what is this clown behavior???

Some of the descriptions might need updating too lol

You DARE underestimate THE Cherry Miyawaki?!?! Prepare to board the Pain Train!

Also, I love Minju and wouldn't mind if she was the 6th Member. But I would actually choose Yeji over her (and nobody can ever replace our ballerina Queen). Yeji's aura matches much better with LSFM and also LSFM is missing a very high-end main dancer so Yeji can fit that perfectly.

It's funny but for some reason this thread is giving me Blackpinkhouse vs Blackpinkhouse vibes lol

My gawd this woman is jaw-dropping

Quote from motorp77

Tbf you could argue that Itzy is top 3 outside of Korea with media engagements and presence. I think it still needs to be accounted, especially with where kpop is going right now.

Kepler should be mid tier, I brain farted.

These kpop tier lists have historically usually been based on Sales and Korean charting so I've been usually just sticking with that (although I dont mind if the discussion switches over to Global Spotify charting someday). Using media engagement as a basis is a tricky affair. For example: what media should be used? Like if you only use something like Twitter engagements, then you only specifically paint a picture of how popular a group is with US teenagers. Twitter isn't equally popular globally, and a lot of older people intentionally steer clear of it's drama.

You would need a way to quantify ALL media platforms together (Instagram, Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, etc) and there's just no way to easily do that.

Quote from motorp77

High tier : NMIXX, Le Sserafim (arguable), Kep1er

NMIXX's Entwurf sold 562,000 copies and Kep1er's Troubleshooter sold 267,400. In comparison, LSFM's Antifragile has sold 754,000 and Antifragile peaked at #2 on Melon (currently #5) (and Fearless is STILL charting at #42 right now) while Nmixx's Dice peaked at #50 and Kep1er's We Fresh debuted at #531 Melon Daily and, as far as I can tell, never actually charted. The gaps between these groups are waaay too large to clump them into the same tier.

Personally I would drop ITZY from Top Tier to High Tier because Top Tier is usually reserved for groups that have high end levels in both charting AND sales. ITZY's Cheshire's debut and peak was #92 and it quickly fell off from there to #143 in just a month. I just honestly would not consider a group to be Top Tier with THIS bad of a digital performance. People like to bring up Sneakers for defense but that song also only has 76,000 Melon Likes. I don't really consider any song a decent hit unless it has at least 100,000 Like. Nobody considers Fearless a hit and even that has 96,000 Melon Likes.

I would also put Le Sserafim on the border of Top Tier and High Tier (so upper High Tier is fine), and Nmixx on the border of High Tier and Mid Tier since their charting is basically Mid Tier so far (end of High Tier is fine). I would definitely drop Kep1er to Mid Tier.

This is like choosing between two of my own children. I refuse.

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Anybody else feel like you pretty much have to clear 100k sales/album now to be considered mid tier in the current kpop landscape?

I actually agree. But you just don't get that amount of charisma + stage presence in a single group easily

It's sad that you put Fromis_9's defining quality as: "Not too famous group"

Quote from icyruios

She literally got hated for accepting her MAMA SOTY award, when the mic stand was too tall for her and she was crying thanking DIVEs and everything.

People were accusing her of fake crying. Imagine coming after her for being emotional after winning one of the biggest awards ever

Just look at the video they are literally wishing the 6 member curse happen aka hoping she leaves the group, for crying

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This is literally the stupidest thing to hate a little girl over

Quote from JiminieKookie

You're most likly out of touch here

Some examples (I can't show all or else it will be too much):

Snow Man

They are signed with Johnny's Entertainment and are curently the most selling JPop-boygroup. The group debuted in January of 2020 and sold almost 12 million CDs by now. Their debut MV reached 75 million views on Youtube. Snow Man's debut single sold almost 2 million times and they also have 1 album with more than 1 million sales and 1 album that is very close to reach 1 million sales. The group's member Raul and Ren are also extremly popular in Japan (and Ren is also seen as one of the It-Boys). Snow man's Raul is also active as model and Ren as actor. The group is also the first Asian artist that got a brand-deal with the famous American jewlery brand Tiffany & Co.

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INI

They debuted in November of 2021 and are signed with Lapone Entertainment. INI is the winner group of Produce 101 Japan season 2 and their most wieved MV has 31 million views. They also sold around 2 million CDs by now of wich their debut single sold around 500K. Besides this INI also collabed on a Korean song together with the KPop-group TO1. (unrealated but there is also a TikTok clip of INI's Fengfan & Shogo dancing with Beomgyu of TXT, and since Shogo is a former CUBE trainee he is friends with Yuto of Pentagon).

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BE:FIRST

They are the winner group of the survival show THE FIRST and debuted on the same days as INI in November of 2021. BE:FIRST is signed with BMSG which is a company owned by the famous Japanese rapper SKY-HI that he had opend up in 2020. After existing less than 2 years SKY-HI opend up that he first feared to go bankrupt with the company since he spend 3 million $ of his own savings to open up the company of which he spend 1 million $ to run the survival show that he held which wasn't backed up by a TV channel like most other survival shows would've been. He had no money left after the survival show finished and he had made his company but he reported that he was able to make a provite of 7 million $ in that short time by now. BE:FIRST's Ryoki is the most popular member right now who acted in a movie in 2022 together with other JPop-artists (that are signed with the company LDH) and Yuta of NCT which gave him a big boost in popularity. The debut single of the group was sold over 200K times. Their most watched MV on Youtube has 33 million views. Other than that BE:FIRST menaged to be the first and only JPop-artist that menaged to reach the top10 of the Billboard Twitter Charts after they got established in the end of 2021 and they were in the top10 of that list for almost 4 months in a row (however Billboard fucked this up and pretended that only BTS got 4 months on the top10 -.- ) (And unrealated again, Ryuhei's cousin was participant on GP999 and Junon was in a floped KPop-group before)

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SixTONES

They debuted on the same day as Snow Man in January 2020 and are also signed with Johnny's Entertainment. Their debut single also sold almost 2 million and they sold in total more than 7.5 million CDs by now. Their most famous member are probably Taiga and Jesse who also work as stageplay actors. Their most watched MV on Youtube has 54 million views.

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Monkey Majik

IDK much about them but only know that they are quit famous in Japan, which at first sounds a bit odd since the vocalist (and one of the guitarists, they are siblings) are bith from Canada (not Japanese) and the band is active since more than 20 years by now. Their most viewed MV on Youtube has 43 million views.

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Chanmina

I am not quit sure how much she sold in Japan but she is quit popular and seen as one of the most famous female rapper in Japan. She also released music together with a few other artists from Japan but also with Korean artists and international artists as like Doja Cat and Taeyeon. Her most watched MV has 32 million views on Youtube. Her latest few releases have been in Korean if I'm not mistaken but the majority of her music is in Japanese.

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Johnny's still going strong I see lol

Quote from ArmyBlinkOnce0

I just found out people are hating/hated on her cus she didn't pick up a cake in a prank and cried after winning a freaking daesang at an award show.

Kpop's toxicity went through a roof in 2022. No wonder people say kpop stans are toxic, y'all attacking a 15 year old for acting like a 15 year old.

Can't believe this is the same community I thought was nice in 2020, and 2021. 2022 really opened my eyes.

Been here since 2016. Kpop was NEVER nice sadly....