Is it enough to apologize for a scandal?
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It's up to the people who were affected to forgive or not.
I'm just a humble and mere peasant. I can't decide anything.
But how does that impact your personal listening habits? Do you keep being a fan and ignore the scandal? Do you stop being a fan until you get a sense that the people affected have mostly forgiven?
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Tbh this is a weird situation... A bad behavior scandal won't make me cancel the person... I'll use Irene as an example (for obvious reasons...) I didn't cancel her neither did I send hate to her, i just thought that for a 30yo person she should know better and while it didn't make stop listening to RV, it did made me see HER in a different way even now. I kind focus more on the other 4, unfortunately.
It's like in my real life, if i know someone who treats others badly, yes, i won't convive with them neither will i make a effort on being friends, I'll just ignore the person.
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What else should they do ?
The only thing after a scandal is to make sure not to repeat the same mistake again.
It’s also up to each and everyone to decide if they would forgive or not. But if you decided to not forgive, than also make the decision to move on and ignore the celebrity from now on and don’t spend 24/7 hating on them whenever you get the opportunity.
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Depends on the scandal and if they are actually sorry not just saying it to save face
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It depends on the scandal
Do they repeat the action or it was onetime of thing?
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Hmm... depends I guess.
- We do not know any public figure so default should be to take apologies at face value as sincere because we would not know one way or the other.
- It ultimately comes down to the nature of the infraction and the comfort level of individual consumers/fans.
I imagine a victim of severe school bullying would not be able to be as invested in their bias if they were revealed to have been a perpetrator - kpop after all is escapism and I imagine there would be too much intrusion while they are trying to be entertained. Similarly a person of colour may be more turned off by racial antagonism towards any minority/marginalised group.
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it really depends, honestly.
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There will always be someone poking holes in the apology and calling it insincere.
What makes an apology sincere? Hard to say.
It's probably easier to forgive idols we've grown an attachment to. Depending on severity of the wrongdoing, it's not always "pick me" behavior.
There's often cognitive bias at play whether you choose to forgive or not.
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Too many factors. Can't give a clear cut answer.
You can make up a hypothetical scenario if that would help.
Or let me make something up, say there's a successful idol who's now 22. It comes out that they lied about about another trainee when they were 16 which resulted in that trainee getting kicked out of the company. The other person has proof and is still upset about it, especially since they were likely to debut before the incident and then lost their chance. The idol makes a public apology.
Is that enough?
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Hmm... depends I guess.
- We do not know any public figure so default should be to take apologies at face value as sincere because we would not know one way or the other.
- It ultimately comes down to the nature of the infraction and the comfort level of individual consumers/fans.
I imagine a victim of severe school bullying would not be able to be as invested in their bias if they were revealed to have been a perpetrator - kpop after all is escapism and I imagine there would be too much intrusion while they are trying to be entertained. Similarly a person of colour may be more turned off by racial antagonism towards any minority/marginalised group.
True, individual history and circumstances will color how you view a scandal. For example, I'm poc and had a hard time when i first got into kpop cuz of the sheer amount of racially insensitive words and actions that i have seen from idols. On top of that, every time stans try to defend their faves by downplaying the scandal, it affects me in a bad way. I know that a lot of others don't care, cuz it doesn't affect them at all and they are vocal about it. It's kinda a double whammy that I had to learn how to deal with on my own terms.
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There will always be someone poking holes in the apology and calling it insincere.
What makes an apology sincere? Hard to say.
It's probably easier to forgive idols we've grown an attachment to. Depending on severity of the wrongdoing, it's not always "pick me" behavior.
There's often cognitive bias at play whether you choose to forgive or not.
Yeah, i do find that I'm more likely to move past it if I really love their music. Some music is so hard for me to give up that it gives me that extra motivation that I might not find for an idol that I already don't care for. It's definitely more of an equation than a hard line for more mild scandals. If I'm meh on the music, I pbly will just find another group to listen to instead of wrestling with how I feel about it. I have has a few struggles with groups I really like though ngl.
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Tbh this is a weird situation... A bad behavior scandal won't make me cancel the person... I'll use Irene as an example (for obvious reasons...) I didn't cancel her neither did I send hate to her, i just thought that for a 30yo person she should know better and while it didn't make stop listening to RV, it did made me see HER in a different way even now. I kind focus more on the other 4, unfortunately.
It's like in my real life, if i know someone who treats others badly, yes, i won't convive with them neither will i make a effort on being friends, I'll just ignore the person.
what makes irene's scandal so much worse than what wendy did? irene verbally abused someone and apologized for it, and people are determined to hold it against her forever. but it seems few people care that wendy never apologized for twice mocking black people and painting them as aggressive and violent.
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I agree that seeing how they conduct themselves going forward really is key. Words mean nothing if it's not followed by change. I mean, it's possible that they just got better at hiding their attitudes due to media training and companies shielding them, but all we can really do is judge what we see.
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what makes irene's scandal so much worse than what wendy did? irene verbally abused someone and apologized for it, and people are determined to hold it against her forever. but it seems few people care that wendy never apologized for twice mocking black people and painting them as aggressive and violent.
Tbh, i care about that
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what makes irene's scandal so much worse than what wendy did? irene verbally abused someone and apologized for it, and people are determined to hold it against her forever. but it seems few people care that wendy never apologized for twice mocking black people and painting them as aggressive and violent.
Tbh i really forgot about this issue, but age matters in scandals bc the older you are the mature you should be and when was Wendy scandal? How many years have passed? I'm not one to take a +5 years scandal and still use it against the person when 1- they didn't do it again 2- i wasn't "present" in the scandal time so i don't see the logic in "judging" something just for the sake of this vicious cycle..
But even though I gave Irene as an example, i don't judge her bc i think she obviously changed for the best and the hate towards idols is so big and common that i, for sure, won't try to make part of it.
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Nooooo!! my faves have to be inmaculate
like baby Jesus 
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Tbh i really forgot about this issue, but age matters in scandals bc the older you are the mature you should be and when was Wendy scandal? How many years have passed? I'm not one to take a +5 years scandal and still use it against the person when 1- they didn't do it again 2- i wasn't "present" in the scandal time so i don't see the logic in "judging" something just for the sake of this vicious cycle..
But even though I gave Irene as an example, i don't judge her bc i think she obviously changed for the best and the hate towards idols is so big and common that i, for sure, won't try to make part of it.
wendy did it twice. once in 2014 and again in 2018.
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You can make up a hypothetical scenario if that would help.
Or let me make something up, say there's a successful idol who's now 22. It comes out that they lied about about another trainee when they were 16 which resulted in that trainee getting kicked out of the company. The other person has proof and is still upset about it, especially since they were likely to debut before the incident and then lost their chance. The idol makes a public apology.
Is that enough?
I can’t even bring myself to care about bullying scandals. Because it’s usually bullies who have become rich and successful.
So my default is to assume anyone in the lime light is already a bully or hurt people to get there. That’s how the world is structured.
I don’t justify bullying btw that’s not what this is.
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i only brought it up because it bothers me when people say they don't see irene the same way anymore while being completely willing to forgive wendy who has never apologized for actions that are (in my opinion) worse than what irene did. but whatever. this conversation is pointless.
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first like-- two times
its fine for an apology
after that, the idol would probably have to have a proper reason or actively try to make up for the damages like (if slapped an attendant, probably a flat check as an apology) or ( if broke something of someone else's, then they try to pay up that monetary value, smth like that)
For me personally thou if the idol is genuinely sh!t I think they should be put through counseling for me to think that they are trying to mend their ways or smth.
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i only brought it up because it bothers me when people say they don't see irene the same way anymore while being completely willing to forgive wendy who has never apologized for actions that are (in my opinion) worse than what irene did. but whatever. this conversation is pointless.
You basically tried to throw Wendy under the bus for Irene? My opinion isn't that important for you to bring up a 2018 scandal over a 2020 scandal and look at the age please, obviously I'll side eye a 30 yo person way more than a younger one. Both shouldn't be hated.
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