Has reduced music quality ever led to any popular group's downfall?

Red velvet maybe? I think releasing back to back experimental or poorly received music instead of sticking to their strengths affected them a lot.

2013 2NE1 maybe? they bounced back with Crush in 2014 but i felt like it was never the same after that year.

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2013 2NE1 maybe? they bounced back with Crush in 2014 but i felt like it was never the same after that year.

What happened in 2013 stays in 2013!

Tho I'm in the minority who prefers Do You Love Me than Falling in Love.

Red Velvet's the first one on my mind. So many misses for me and I personally find their latest Queendom EP a letdown and boring.

I don't vibe much with SVT's releases since joining HYBE (with some B-sides I like), but ATTACCA definitely slayed my ears.

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Were they flopping?

I would say 2NE1 in 2013 is underwhelming on charts but not flopping (flopping basing on their track record, yes).

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Red velvet maybe? I think releasing back to back experimental or poorly received music instead of sticking to their strengths affected them a lot.

I actually think RV popularity is going up. Especially with this comeback. I think people were only disappointed with queendom because it was generic (??) for RV.

In 2019 after zimzalabim and umpah umpah they had Psycho which was huge hit.

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What happened in 2013 stays in 2013!

Tho I'm in the minority who prefers Do You Love Me than Falling in Love.

2013 was tragic for their music ngl

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Were they flopping?

by their 2011-2012 standards? definitely

in 2010 they had 1 song in the top5 gaon yearly chart and another within top15

in 2011 they had 2 songs in top 10 (one was in top 5 and a 3rd song in top10 if you count Bom's solo)

in 2012 they had 1 song in top 10

keep in mind that competition was fierce in these years with songs like Gangnam Style, Roly poly, Alone, Fantastic Baby, Cherry Blossom Ending, BGGG, OH!, 2 Different Tears etc

and in 2013 their highest charting single was somewhere in the low 90s and the other was out of top100

they made the top30 in 2014 but it wasn't the same

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But I don't think it affected their popularity much?

Definitely not.

Tho I found other people with the same sentiments in every SNS. Boils down to preference.

It depends on what you mean by music quality, as everyone has different tastes.

I believe my faves' music hasn't been as good for a bit now, but they're more popular than ever.

Maybe Momoland? I actually like their title tracks but honestly opinions about their title tracks was really divided.

But they also had bad managment, like REALLY bad so idk

Teen Top? They were doing good for awhile but then they kept releasing songs people hated and completely fell off the radar. Their music got better again but at that point they had lost all their popularity

depends on what you mean by popular. the gp or the fandom. I would say yes gp/charting but no about fandom since most kpop groups who put of bad songs still typically have increased sales comeback after comeback.

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keep in mind that competition was fierce in these years with songs like Gangnam Style, Roly poly, Alone, Fantastic Baby, Cherry Blossom Ending, BGGG, OH!, 2 Different Tears etc

2011 - 2012 really was really a fking warzone

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2011 - 2012 really was really a fking warzone

2012 deadass had like 15 national hits in the top.....15

2013 wasn’t the best year for many music Groups 😅

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2012 deadass had like 15 national hits in the top.....15

I'm like just scrolling through wiki on the Gaon end charts jesus the competition is....

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I'm like just scrolling through wiki on the Gaon end charts jesus the competition is....

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please Lovey Dovey was such a survivor

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Any. Gp or/and fandom. There are groups that become stagnant or even reduce sales

sure but actual groups that we would all consider popular dont really lose sales based solely on poor songs

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2012 was a big year for sistar

That's why they won MAMA best female group that year

And they won again in 2014. It's like every year if they choose to have 2 comebacks they will win (Alone/Loving U in 2012, Touch My Body/I Swear in 2014)

All the other GGs better be glad and thankful that Sistar decided to give them some chance and only had 1 comeback in the other years

unpopular opinion but Tara's music prescandal was so much better than post scandal

Overall their downfall was due to the scandal, but the decrease in music quality did not help people like me who didn't care about the scandal.

I don't know If "reduced music quality" is the exactly description for this event, but I get what you meant.

Music is sujective, but when you used to have a certain loyal public and interest, then suddenly people aren't clicking with your music anymore, I think something isn't going through the right path, even If It doesn't mean what you are releasing is objectively bad.

I think an undefined identity for a group or repetitive formula can lead people to lose interest or don't start to have interest, regarless It's fandom or gp.

It seems to be such a challenge to find the right balance. How to be versatile and still have personality.

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They rarely had more than one comebacks? I did know this.

They always comeback during summer. Only in 2012 and 2014 they had 2 comebacks

Alone was earlier in the year 2012, they comeback during summer with Loving U and that song cemented them as the summer queens.

Touch My Body 2014 was also during summer, but they decided to have another comeback in the later part of summer with I Swear.

Other than their 1 comeback a year, they had other song releases like Hyolyn and Soyou solos/collabs. Sistar19 as well.

Like in 2014, the biggest song of the year was also by Sistar. This song was without a doubt hands down the biggest song in 2014, Soyou's duet which was released start of 2014

So yeah they usually only have 1 comeback, and the other months are for their own solos and individual stuff. Bora was also more active in variety and Dasom had her acting gigs as well.

Imagine even by releasing 1 song a year, every song they released managed to hit No.1 on Gaon. That's why people call them the digital queens

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unpopular opinion but Tara's music prescandal was so much better than post scandal

Overall their downfall was due to the scandal, but the decrease in music quality did not help people like me who didn't care about the scandal.

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not saying they are bad songs, but not as good as Roly Poly or why are you like this?

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not saying they are bad songs, but not as good as Roly Poly or why are you like this?

My Dad was obsessed with Why are you being like this. The "Wae ireoni" in the first chorus sounds a lot like "为了你" which means 'for you' and "aljanhni" in the second chorus sounds a lot like "爱上你" which means "fall in love with you"

So everytime it plays in the car he will sing it together

Hello Venus after Yooara and Yoonjo left. Mysterious was their best song with final lineup imo

The GP probably disagrees, but I like almost every groups' 'flops' more than their biggest hits.

Maybe Everglow? Although I think it was just that Ladida was very different from their usual sound and when they returned to it people lost interest. Not necessarily quality but the majority's taste.

Super Junior - their music has been in decline for a while imo and it's one of the reasons I unstanned them.

Their music has deteriorated and I think that led to an overrall downfall in their popularity, well amongst international fans at least.

Brave Girls, SNSD, Everglow, Mamamoo

Gfriend?

although I wasn't around for their earlier stuff it seems from their charting that their later releases weren't as "good" as their earlier ones...

Yes