Do you see Viviz as 3rd 4th or 5th gen group?

interesting

staph it. They are clearly a 3rd gen group.

they are a 4th gen group, they debuted in the 4th gen with 3rd gen members. Case closed.

3rd gen

Most consider Soyeon as 4th gen because GIdle debuted in 2018, which is the start of 4th gen. She actually debuted as a soloist in 2017 though. I guess she should be considered both the best 3rd and 4th gen rapper.

which raises an interesting question that has another seem them on variety shows or whatnot and do others refer to them as seniors or juniors?

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Most consider Soyeon as 4th gen because GIdle debuted in 2018, which is the start of 4th gen. She actually debuted as a soloist in 2017 though. I guess she should be considered both the best 3rd and 4th gen rapper.

I actually asked the same question with Blackpink for some reason (but opposite)...because they debuted as a group in 2016 but Jennie solo debuted in 2018 and Rose and Lisa solo debuted in 2021.

I mean, there's still a debate on whether Blackpink is actually 3rd gen or "3.5 gen"

3rd gen

B2st redebut as Highlight, but they are still 2nd gen.

So Gfriend redebut as viviz should be the same

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3rd gen

B2st redebut as Highlight, but they are still 2nd gen.

So Gfriend redebut as viviz should be the same

You shouldn't take VIVIZ as a name change for Gfriend, because it's not. Gfriend are the 6 girls and they have said it when they have performed at weddings or they have also said that they will go on stage together in the future.

It's not the same case as Beast, so you should reconsider your reasoning.

i see them as 3rd gen, just getting a new start

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Viviz is ot 3 Gfriend, so somebody could see it as 3rd gen group. Or do you think it is a new brand 4th gen group? Some people also see 2022 is already 5th gen.

Let's be clear, VIVIZ is not Gfriend OT6, in this case take it as an unofficial sub-unit. VIVIZ has its own style and concept, its own fandom, symbols, sound. Although they included a tribute on their album they did not do a Gfriend 2.0 on the other songs.

So Kep1er should have the same discussion 3 members have debuted before, with IVE there are 2, I don't think there should be a distinction with VIVIZ.

Technically they are 4th Gen since they debute in 4th Gen time. But practically they are 3rd gen. Since the individual members allready debute years ago as 3rd gen. Idols.

I'm sure they won't get treated as rookies. Or maybe only for fun.

It's similar to brave girls who are technically 2nd gen but practically 3rd gen.

In the end it doesn't matter in what box people wanna put them in. What matters is the music they make.

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Most consider Soyeon as 4th gen because GIdle debuted in 2018, which is the start of 4th gen. She actually debuted as a soloist in 2017 though. I guess she should be considered both the best 3rd and 4th gen rapper.

4th gen actually started in early 2019 and before you bring the screenshot lol even knetz have different opinions and the whole 4th gen talk started when txt and itzy debuted later people started to include 2018 as 4th gen

Viviz are 3rd end of the story it’s like calling exo-sc or Irene and Seulgi 4th gen groups.

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Let's be clear, VIVIZ is not Gfriend OT6, in this case take it as an unofficial sub-unit. VIVIZ has its own style and concept, its own fandom, symbols, sound. Although they included a tribute on their album they did not do a Gfriend 2.0 on the other songs.

So Kep1er should have the same discussion 3 members have debuted before, with IVE there are 2, I don't think there should be a distinction with VIVIZ.

The difference is that 3 members redebuted on the same group. While in Kep1er yujin and yeseo weren’t on the same group before. The rest are all rookies.

Also both Yujin and WY were in Izone which are a 4th gen group that’s not the same.

Hmm. More like 3.5 gen maybe?

They're basically a continuation of GFriend, or better put a continuation of the remainder of GFriend.

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The difference is that 3 members redebuted on the same group. While in Kep1er yujin and yeseo weren’t on the same group before. The rest are all rookies.

Also both Yujin and WY were in Izone which are a 4th gen group that’s not the same.

So if tomorrow BPM decides to include 2 trains in VIVIZ, will it change the generation?

VIVIZ is a totally newly generated group, it wouldn't be fair for them to exclude them.

Arguments to say that VIVIZ is 4th or even 5th gen.

His listeners on Melon for now are more like Aespa's than Twice's or Red Velvet's.

Their sound for now is more like Kep1er and IVE than Gfriend or any 3rd group.

The average age of the members is 23.3 years old, the average age of the 3rd groups is over 25 years old already.