Read Link first - Is "sexy, effeminate Asians" reason for the success of Kpop?

welp the consumer base in china is MASSIVE so even if there is interesting stuff they aren't in a rush to export to anyone; the US market is smaller than the chinese market whereas the dynamic for korea is that the US market is bigger than the Korean market, for example. There would be more children in china than the whole population of US, given time.

Idk for vietnam.

Globally I think China as a country isn’t appealing, and Vietnam just needs to put in more work.

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That quote is so sad yet true

its honestly messed up but way too true.

The non Korean/Japanese idol industry is still very new

China was rising with their idols thx to Youth With You & Produce Camp, until the weird laws started happening, now I’m not sure

look people all over the world do find certain cultures more appealing than others and you can't really do anything about it

Btw the richer a country, the higher their production value and marketing and people are drawn to visual and production quality too

And marketing aka soft power is extremely powerful

Certain nations choose to spend more time and effort on it than others and it gives them more soft power globally so..

it also seems international - political alignment. SK and JPN are both tight allies with USA but Vietnam is somewhat neutral and China stands in opposition. There is a kinda "oh you suppport *those* people?" if you like things from opposing countries. At least from my experience tooting the horn of chinese tv dramas in the US.

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look people all over the world do find certain cultures more appealing than others and you can't really do anything about it

Btw the richer a country, the higher their production value and marketing and people are drawn to visual and production quality too

And marketing aka soft power is extremely powerful

Certain nations choose to spend more time and effort on it than others and it gives them more soft power globally so..

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yea that and some countries prefer hard power for the simple reason that its a bit more reliable in an aggressive global environment. Money seems to be china's choice, seconded by military.

A common denominator is that both countries are authoritarian.

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yea that and some countries prefer hard power for the simple reason that its a bit more reliable in an aggressive global environment. Money seems to be china's choice, seconded by military.

True

I mean there's so many rich European nations whose media isn't popular at all and that's because they don't really invest in marketing it globally

very easy

China ? it’s HARD to follow Cpop if ur not chinese

no it’s not that China isn’t appealing , YWY2 was massively popular just look at the views on the performances and episodes ( their cover of The Eve has 20 MILLION views ) and THE9 are decently popular outside of China for a Cpop group , they were rlly popular when the show ended but thing is there is barely any translated content of them

how do u keep up w a group when you don’t get any content

China is too closed . not enough content for ifans bc they don’t rlly care about promoting overseas they don’t even have their groups songs on Spotify

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Globally I think China as a country isn’t appealing, and Vietnam just needs to put in more work.

Actually, I think they are quite appealing. Their Manhua's/Donghua's King's Avatar and Mo Dao Zu Shi/Grandmaster of demonic cultivation/TheUntamed and Heaven's Official Blessing were extremely popular intenationally. They also have games like Genshin Impact that is hugely successful.

The problem with China is that as soon as something is doing well they ruin it by making a bunch of asinine regulations. They ruined their idol market because "effeminate men" and idols have too much influence or something like that, and then they ruin the BL market for similar reasons. The old fart in power in China is out of touch with younger people.

As for Vietnam, I don't know anything about that. I think the most images (at least Americans) have about Vietnam is stuff about the War. That's the only time I think it's really mentioned in pop culture.

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this quote is so yucky

are they really feeling superior about the fact that the men who became famous from their country aren't "effeminate" ( yikes cant believe they used that word)

Where did you get that from

The quote is clearly pointing out that yhe rest of the world clearly only interested in parts of asian media that are unique and interesting to them

And all other cultures push for masculinity so that distinction has certainly helped kpop and such to attract a huge hungry niche

Chinese music industry is huge Huge!

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very easy

China ? it’s HARD to follow Cpop if ur not chinese

no it’s not that China isn’t appealing , YWY2 was massively popular just look at the views on the performances and episodes ( their cover of The Eve has 20 MILLION views ) and THE9 are decently popular outside of China for a Cpop group , they were rlly popular when the show ended but thing is there is barely any translated content of them

how do u keep up w a group when you don’t get any content

China is too closed . not enough content for ifans bc they don’t rlly care about promoting overseas they don’t even have their groups songs on Spotify

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yea its like the prereq is to be overseas chinese or fluent in chinese and chinese culture haha

I have watched Youth With You it was amazing show the trainees are so talented, i was crazy Xin Liu fan, but after the show ended they just call it a day giving them cheap ass mv and few songs, there are no ready market system for cpop groups in china, members make most of their money through advertisements, endorsements, cf deals, reality shows and dramas/films etc not music, and its fucking hard to find their contents u need chinese apps for everything u need to learn chinese

they just don't try to export but idk why they put some of their chinese dramas free on youtube with eng sub if they didn't use to i would miss so much cus some chinese dramas are very good

Phut Hon and Super Idol >>> kpop

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yea its like the prereq is to be overseas chinese or fluent in chinese and chinese culture haha

yep they rlly don’t gaf

idk if i can blame them bc technically china is such a big country that u don’t need oversea fans . the groups will be selling 5M with ease in their home country so why bother — like it’s frustrating but im not surprised that they’re like this 🥲🥲🥲

I don’t know what you mean but Chinese dramas are really popular. And Chinese movies have been popular decades before Korean movies. Like stuff like crouching Tiger hidden dragon are cult classic long before Korean media ever picked up. And pretty sure untamed is bigger than all kdrama sans maybe like squid game.

Sure cpop isn’t as big as kpop. But as far as other media is concerned it is very much consumed.

Happy someone mentioned politics.

Korea/Japan: Capitalist/Democratic Societies

Vietnam/China: Socialiast/Communist Societies

China and US relations are weird, and China only exports products but has a tight reign on media. They have no problem exporting shows, but they don't seem to care much about promoting Chinese musical artists.

As far as Vietnam,...China, Japan, and Korea are all first world/developed countries. Vietnam is not. So it would be even harder for their artists to have any influence or prominence in the international market. That requires money.

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that's true for chinese pop culture too

everyone was simping for wei wuzhian (?) ,the untamed character

that's not kpop's distinguishing factor

Yeah well i said kpop and such

You'll find a lot ( not all) of the fanbases of kpop/kdrama/cpop/cdrama etc etc tend to fall under the same niche

Chinese pop culture have all the ingredients to be popular BUT also all the reason that stop them

1. Politics - and to some extent social acceptance/ they do not align with western values so it is a hard pill for audience to swallow and for the media to promote

2. They a work in progress - China economic growth is after both Korea and Japan, and the Chinese government have only put in effort to promote the film industry. The music industry and others are still developing and in its infancy.

3. Strict censorship - this really kill a lot of creativity and ability to produce better pop culture content if people are so restrict on what can create

4. Protectionism - China is a rising consumer market. So their primary focus is to be able to harvest their own consumption using domestic production FIRST, before they can venture out and capture foreign consumption. There is a priority that just make sense.

China is a huge country with potentially huge influence so that get them attention from the world. They also have an old culture that exotic enough to peak people interest. The older days of HK entertainment show you they can make good pop content (which is based on Chinese culture). But right now, is not the time or priority for them.

As for Vietnam, they are still a developing country that is focusing on increasing their domestic production and economy. They have other industries they are busy improving before they can care about exporting their own pop culture anyway. They are kind of like China but 1-2 steps behind.

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It's only very recently that kdramas started getting released with subs. I remember having to find bootlegged pirated sites for years to watch kdramas. I'm glad that netflix seems to be investing in more international shows nowadays.

kdramas? i was saying chinese dramas

some chinese dramas are free on youtube with eng sub on we tv english, yoyo english channel, youku english etc, i have watched so many chinese dramas on youtube like that, so i was just wondering if they don't like export their media why they bother to release it free in youtube with eng sub, they even have indo, arabic, spanish, viet, thai channel to release their dramas with those language subs

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If liberal politics, then Taiwanese is not popular either. Please read the linked answer fully.

I don't understand your response lol? Plus, you cannot compare Taiwan to China, Korea, or Japan in terms of size, power, or international influence.

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kdramas? i was saying chinese dramas

some chinese dramas are free on youtube with eng sub on we tv english, yoyo english channel, youku english etc, i have watched so many chinese dramas on youtube like that, so i was just wondering if they don't like export their media why they bother to release it free in youtube with eng sub, they even have indo, arabic, spanish, viet, thai channel to release their dramas with those language subs

You brought up a good point. I start seeing so many of these Chinese drama with Eng subs flooding on YouTube since early 2020. I really wonder what’s the point? But most of these are also low quality web drama anyway. I wonder if they earn much money posting on YouTube and why is it allow when YouTube is blocked in China?

It would be nice if someone has answer for that.