There nothing wrong with criticizing groups but there's a fine line between criticism and straight up being hateful

i think saying negative stuff about the work is criticism and saying negative stuff about the artist is hate

Plain and simple

You put your work out there, you have to accept people who like and dislike it

But not personal attackz

That was.... boring

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i like to hear people's criticism and there reasons on why they don't like certain songs to me criticism is important and it helps groups developed and go further but this YouTuber is straight up mean and hatful there is no criticism and insightfulness behind this person's claims , calling itzy shitzy and mocking Wendy almost deadly accident isn't funny there's nothing amusing about this besides this person called Skz songs noise without listening to them how do you want people to take seriously ? She tries to passe her critics as quirkiness but it ain't it there's nothing funny about her videos and she should take people insight on her videos

I got it in my recs too, found the video pretty dumb like at least listen to the song once before one says it. Stuff like this is why no one takes kpop criticism seriously really it's always one of two polar sides, the one's who find everything the greatest thing ever and hate criticism or the ones who hate but make it over silly personal reasons.

Yah videos like these have bias against some groups.

Youtube videos are another breed. Honestly sometimes they are too negative and blow things out of proportions

I don't like watching them at all lol

Okay but I did laugh at her calling SuperM "SuperEmbarassing"

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How is calling itzy shitzy criticism

when did i say it is

Also this video, like jeongyeon is resting. I dunno why she complaining about her lines. Her mental health is more important.

Majority of these YT "unpopular opinions" are just a disguise to downright hate on groups and deflect backlash for it. Most of the opinions aren't even "unpopular", just hateful and used by antis of certain groups.

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i like to hear people's criticism and there reasons on why they don't like certain songs to me criticism is important and it helps groups developed and go further but this YouTuber is straight up mean and hatful there is no criticism and insightfulness behind this person's claims , calling itzy shitzy and mocking Wendy almost deadly accident isn't funny there's nothing amusing about this besides this person called Skz songs noise without listening to them how do you want people to take seriously ? She tries to passe her critics as quirkiness but it ain't it there's nothing funny about her videos and she should take people insight on her videos

I really don't like this youtuber. She disguises hate under cristisim and whenever someone calls her out for it she pulls out the race card and her fans hate on that person to death. She even once said this about Suga on a video similiar to the one you put "Still ruining BTS songs"?

It's only a stupid youtube video, just ignore it. Same thing for Twitter ... If we bring all youtube & twitter toxicity here we're just going to make the forum more toxic.

K-pop YouTube

I mean I don’t find this video that bad tbh. It’s ok to call songs shitty IMO that’s not really the worst kind of hate.

Commenting on idols personality and other such vile things are problematic for me.

Some of the comments in the video were so cringe

indeed and that's why people should learn to formulate their arguments cohesively

on AKP though...that's another story

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i like to hear people's criticism and there reasons on why they don't like certain songs to me criticism is important and it helps groups developed and go further but this YouTuber is straight up mean and hatful there is no criticism and insightfulness behind this person's claims , calling itzy shitzy and mocking Wendy almost deadly accident isn't funny there's nothing amusing about this besides this person called Skz songs noise without listening to them how do you want people to take seriously ? She tries to passe her critics as quirkiness but it ain't it there's nothing funny about her videos and she should take people insight on her videos

Thank you for this and for the examples. More people needed to hear and be reminded.

However, what are the parameters or possible things to consider (like tone online, words used, etc.) when taking criticism? Because in my experience, people really think something is hateful when it's simply the truth. AKP isn't full of people who use critical thinking on a daily basis, after all, and jump the gun when their feelings are hurt.

For example, using the word "if" denotes a possibility, not really a truth and even the person who used it acknowledges it. But to someone else, it might be negative.

Any thoughts, selfmate and HardcoreBLINK ? I saw some of your takes on several topics, and feel like we could learn something from you both (except when you're trolling 😂).

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Thank you for this and for the examples. More people needed to hear and be reminded.

However, what are the parameters or possible things to consider (like tone online, words used, etc.) when taking criticism? Because in my experience, people really think something is hateful when it's simply the truth. AKP isn't full of people who use critical thinking on a daily basis, after all, and jump the gun when their feelings are hurt.

For example, using the word "if" denotes a possibility, not really a truth and even the person who used it acknowledges it. But to someone else, it might be negative.

Any thoughts, selfmate and HardcoreBLINK ? I saw some of your takes on several topics, and feel like we could learn something from you both (except when you're trolling 😂).

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me?

here it's been done lol

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How to engage in a proper argument/debate

So many times have I seen people arguing over arguing, arguing about different things, dismissing others opinions willy-nilly, using words which could be considered insults or otherwise not helpful to the argument.
Therefore I've created this thread that people may contribute their methods and means of making a proper argument.

Firstly I say argument I don't mean argue like you're trying to win - there is nothing gained by winning - the point of an argument here is to further debate and to create…

selfmate

Jan 28th 2021

and this

this is the internet where a majority of the communication can only be done via words and english words at that (where for a lot of us English may not be our first language) and thus all the non-verbal communication is lost thus one person's criticism may be construed by another as shade or bashing...

I believe one is allowed to be honest but not brutally honest. Some people are just too outspoken.

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me?

here it's been done lol

Post

How to engage in a proper argument/debate

So many times have I seen people arguing over arguing, arguing about different things, dismissing others opinions willy-nilly, using words which could be considered insults or otherwise not helpful to the argument.
Therefore I've created this thread that people may contribute their methods and means of making a proper argument.

Firstly I say argument I don't mean argue like you're trying to win - there is nothing gained by winning - the point of an argument here is to further debate and to create…

selfmate

Jan 28th 2021

and this

this is the internet where a majority of the communication can only be done via words and english words at that (where for a lot of us English may not be our first language) and thus all the non-verbal communication is lost thus one person's criticism may be construed by another as shade or bashing...

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Ooh! I'll go ahead and check that thread out!

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Thank you for this and for the examples. More people needed to hear and be reminded.

However, what are the parameters or possible things to consider (like tone online, words used, etc.) when taking criticism? Because in my experience, people really think something is hateful when it's simply the truth. AKP isn't full of people who use critical thinking on a daily basis, after all, and jump the gun when their feelings are hurt.

For example, using the word "if" denotes a possibility, not really a truth and even the person who used it acknowledges it. But to someone else, it might be negative.

Any thoughts, selfmate and HardcoreBLINK ? I saw some of your takes on several topics, and feel like we could learn something from you both (except when you're trolling 😂).

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Constructive criticism is straightforward but stans of said group will always perceive it as hate speech lol

That's how it's always been & will always be

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Ooh! I'll go ahead and check that thread out!

there's always more of my ramblings if you're interested lol

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Constructive criticism is straightforward but stans of said group will always perceive it as hate speech lol

That's how it's always been & will always be

Makes sense. People act like that in real life, too.

The “I speak my mind” people who just bash others all day types are the top of the cringe meter for me

Like girl shut up & touch grass

Lmao ignore that Ktuber, they literally hate anything that isn't aespa, Loona or StayC

Ignore ktubers in general tbh.. they're a mess

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they think that if they say "in my opinion" then a shield magically appears in front of them and no one can criticize their shitty hot takes. idk whats with kpoppies dragging itzy lately when they were up midzy's ass at the beginning talking about "best ngg" success stans r us

then again they might have been inspired by AKP

Exactly, hit the mark right there

And yeah they ITZY obsession haters got towards them is so bizarre. Almost like a career for these people

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Lmao ignore that Ktuber, they literally hate anything that isn't aespa, Loona or StayC

Ignore ktubers in general tbh.. they're a mess

Thank goodness for yep4andy! The savior of the EXO-Ls!

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IMO, the line is intent and it goes both ways;. Sometimes a post may be about a negative opinion, but the intent is not to bash/shade. Sometimes it very much is intended to be snide. And our interpretation of that post and its intent also governs our response. Do we think the person is usually shady? Then yes, we will be assuming bad intentions. Maybe we don't? They might be given the benefit of the doubt.

This is what makes it so difficult - determining a person's intent. And that can really cloud any effort at intelligent discussion because we can't put our constant assumption of shade and the emotion involved with it aside.

Disclaimer: I want to make it clear I am not excluding myself from this, though I do believe awareness of this tendency is the first step to trying to avoid such a situation.

None of us is excluded, because we're human and we all make mistakes. It's stupid to act as if you're perfect because nobody is. Others get mad at other people when they do the same thing, though.

I always give people the benefit of the doubt but when I start noticing patterns and other people have also noticed something, I stay away or do 'grey rock.' While not everyone is really malicious, their actions (that they're not aware of) can still affect other people like me. I stay away for my mental health.

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The amount that HardcoreBLINK trolls makes it hard to take almost anything he says seriously. It's sad because I am sure he does have ideas with merit. But people aare going to squint to see the shade before anything else.

Ion troll lol

I shade sure

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CAN'T. STOP. LAUGHING. You called Dynamite DYNAMIC for MONTHS. You ain't foolin' me!

Typo but y'all ran with it so