7 reasons why idol groups won't work in America

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People that say that this won't succeed: You all better hope this does not turn into NCT 2.0 or even BTS 2.0 because if it does, lets just say you guys are going to be really embarrassed.

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People that say that this won't succeed: You all better hope this does not turn into NCT 2.0 or even BTS 2.0 because if it does, lets just say you guys are going to be really embarrassed.

THIS!!!

I mean never say never, as it could happen again

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to be nct 2.0 or bts 2.0 you need army 2.0 or nctzen 2.0.

where????

how are they even gonna build their own fandom?? no tv shows, no music shows?? no fan meetings?

vlive? are they going to do vlive?

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NCT Hollywood theoretically already has a fandom.

Also, the race thing. These companies will have to remember that people of color exist if they want at least some chance of gaining the favor of the general public.

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Idol groups are already working in America though.

I think they forgot BTS and Blackpink existed.

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Also, the race thing. These companies will have to remember that people of color exist if they want at least some chance of gaining the favor of the general public.

+ boy/ girl groups idols aren't really a thing in America they prefer solo artists.

So SM give up on Chinese market.

I think Big Hit's chances are a bit higher. Because the first is that they are more experienced in the American market. Second, they now have Scooter Braun with them and they going to work with Universal Music Group (UMG) for this group. Third, Armys will definitely check out the group.

Don't talk about NCT-Magic Mike like that...

Well we'll see how it goes. Is it confirmed that sm will try this idea in the near future? With they way they already have nct japan/sea for years i think it will take more than just few years for this idea to take place. At that time who know how's the state of kpop.

I think it depends how much they compromise. Are they gonna just copy paste the same style music, dance, dresses, videos, promo and instead of Koreans it’s gonna be American teens... or they gonna introduce a the same training as kpop idols get but add American pop flavour to ithe music, style, dress. There has to be a balance or the gp gonna think there is a bunch of crazy kids what are they doing. Yes they will have fans who know kpop, but to catch more people they need more. And please don’t come at me how BTS and BP managed to do it then a full American group would do well to.

Kpop tries hard to be big in US. Why don't they build their own music empire and be a global leader. That means USA is the best country. USA! USA! USA!

if they are all Asian American then it's safe to say they are targeting specifically Kpop fans. But if they are a multi-racial group then it's obvious they are going for a 1 Direction-esque group with better talent and prodction which, contrary to you op, I think is very much possible.

It's just a matter of how well they can adapt to the market which, again, I think is possible.

In terms of success though, out of the three (JYP, HYBE, and SM) I don't see SM doing very well. Not for any of the reasons you listed but just because they are straight up tacky and think their corny asses can can do well without attempting to be public friendly. superM is proof enough. They really thought up the name "SuperM" and thought it was cool in spite of just sounding dorky (worse like the word Sperm) then proceeded to debut them and push them with "Jopping". Regular everyday people in the U.S would never take a song like jopping seriously, but SM is so out of touch with what's considered fresh and trendy that it's honestly no surprise to me that they are now a mid-ranked company. The only reason I haven't dismissed NCTHollywood as an outright failure already is because SM is partnering with MGM or whoever in order to produce this group, so with luck, they will maybe have a voice of reason helping them adapt correctly to the market.

Heres how I would do it if I were SM:

1: Make it a small group, 5-7 members.

2: Make group multi-racial, not just white boys. Make it Black, white, Asian. We want Male Bratz diversity energy. (Ik some people think it's best to have all-Asian Americans but tbh with an opportunity like this I think it's kind of a waste since it is America, and diversity is one of our main principles we strive for as a nation, not to add other races. Plus, American general public would probably take the group more seriously if their were faces in it that they could relate to).

3. Air the survival show on a large TV or Online Network like Netflix, Hulu, or what channels you find stuff like The Voice or American Idol on. JYP was smart to do this with NiZiU in Japan. SM should take note. Airing it on some obscure network or app that only Kpops would bother to check out out of curiosity or boredom is a mistake.

4. CHOOSE GOOD MUSIC. None of that Jopping shit. Choose music that even an everyday regular adult could listen to in public without feeling somewhat embarrassed. Also, stop making all the music 100% kid friendly. It doesn't have to be anything too crazy, but make it feel real. Sing about shit than teen and young adults go through.

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there's nct hollywood

Yeah that's what i mean. Is it confirmed that nct hollywood will happen sooner than nct japan/sea?

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4. CHOOSE GOOD MUSIC. None of that Jopping shit. Choose music that even an everyday regular adult could listen to in public without feeling somewhat embarrassed. Also, stop making all the music 100% kid friendly. It doesn't have to be anything too crazy, but make it feel real. Sing about shit than teen and young adults go through.

Have you actually listened to Super M albums? Because i feel like 95% of you who talk bad about Super M’ music have only heard Jopping or 100 and talk shit about their music like they actually listened to their discography.

actually im agree about point number 3

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i actually listened to all of their songs to see improvements and its just noise with forced high notes sorry nothing catchy

Again, calling their music “just noise” just invalidates your opinion. I highly doubt you’d listen to their disco and say it’s noise. Either you have no actual idea what “noise” means or you haven’t listened to them. Pick one.

No manners? Dangerous Women? Big Chance?

Just admit you know nothing about the group.

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Have you actually listened to Super M albums? Because i feel like 95% of you who talk bad about Super M’ music have only heard Jopping or 100 and talk shit about their music like they actually listened to their discography.

It boggles me that there are people that think casual or non-fans are going to take the time to listen to a whole album of a group they do not stan. Also, I honestly don't see what you are ranting about. They are called the Title tracks for a reason. It's the song that is meant to promote the the group as well as the whole album. Why on earth should the B sides be much better than the actual main track? Does that makes sense? And again, not sure what you are ranting about. However you feel doesn't change the fact that an average American would laugh their ass off if they listened to Jopping and was expected to take it seriously - which was my main point. So keep getting in your feelings.

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It boggles me that there are people that think casual or non-fans are going to take the time to listen to a whole album of a group they do not stan. Also, I honestly don't see what you are ranting about. They are called the Title tracks for a reason. It's the song that is meant to promote the the group as well as the whole album. Why on earth should the B sides be much better than the actual main track? Does that makes sense? And again, not sure what you are ranting about. However you feel doesn't change the fact that an average American would laugh their ass off if they listened to Jopping and was expected to take it seriously - which was my main point. So keep getting in your feelings.

Umm, sorry for expecting someone who’s talking about an artist music, to have ACTUALLY listened to that artist music.....

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also in kpop groups can release bad songs and get away with it because its not the groups that are trying to get their song liked but its actually the fans who are trying to hook up on the song just to not admit the song is bad

Also i’ve been vocal about not liking songs in the past. Pretty sure i shit-talked 100 when it came out. Bad songs are bad songs. But your literally a GG stan talking about “bad music”. No you have different taste and probably don’t like 95% of BG music. That’s more about your specific taste than the quality of music being produced.

Just because i don’t like country, doesn’t mean country is bad music.

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these are my own counter arguments

1) sm, jyp or hybe will never have their own beyoncé, victoria beckham (posh scipe), nicole scherzinger, justin timberlake, camila moment. no group in america is popular without their own suzy to their missA, are they ready for this?

2) america actually had idols and they were disney idols, their era is over because of a lot of shifts in the industry.

3) its no drama no fame in america, are kpop companies ready for this? do they have their own connections? with this much of rules will these scandal cause drama? how the rules will be?

4) will american people especially idols be able to adapt this very korean system? this leads me to my 5th point

5) no random talented american will apply to be in a idol group to be under put the pressure of korean discipline. it will be just kpop fans who can't on obviously make it in korea

6) america is over safe music era unless youre jojo siwa, can they pull a music thats similar to future nostalgia, after hour, positions, doja cat etc? will it be as good?

7) you may not notice but many asian countries like vietnam, indonesia, kazakhstan, thailand, philippines etc are trying to have their own kpop moment. these groups are not internationally recognized but they are as qualified as a mid-level kpop group. the reason why is that there was a demand from the general public. if korean companies push american idols without any backing from gp, how will that endup?

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These are my own gainsays

1. Victorian did not out popular others to the point of Victoria & friends when the group was active. One Direction did not have 1 member overshadowed everyone else. If you looked back further, they were Boy Zone or Back Street Boys too.

2. The industry can always shift again and a new era comes.

3. It can always be dramas regardless to the rule. This project is in partnership with MGM, which I believe having fair connection in American showbiz industry.

4. Rigorous training system is not completely new to the American. K-pop training system is much similar to professional athlete training.

5. Many American put themselves in rigorous sport training since very young ages.

6. The States has never been ruled by only 1 music styles and they are always spaces for new genres.

7. Idol marketing does not resort on gp but devoting sizable fandom. NCT is an example, a group with poor local public recognition.

I doubt if the group from this project will succeed because of how SuperM has been and not because all reasons you gave.

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Kpop tries hard to be big in US. Why don't they build their own music empire and be a global leader. That means USA is the best country. USA! USA! USA!

Are you sure this is not MGM's idea?

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Are you sure this is not MGM's idea?

Metro Goldwyn Mayer?

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It boggles me that there are people that think casual or non-fans are going to take the time to listen to a whole album of a group they do not stan. Also, I honestly don't see what you are ranting about. They are called the Title tracks for a reason. It's the song that is meant to promote the the group as well as the whole album. Why on earth should the B sides be much better than the actual main track? Does that makes sense? And again, not sure what you are ranting about. However you feel doesn't change the fact that an average American would laugh their ass off if they listened to Jopping and was expected to take it seriously - which was my main point. So keep getting in your feelings.

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