Idols who can’t sing deserve all the criticism they get.

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    Why would they choose this as their career if they're not good at it?

    The answer is obvious. Popularity. Money. Applause without substance. And for that alone, no one should be blamed for criticizing idols like this. Especially when they come from the Big 4. These companies are drowning in money. Resources are endless. Good vocal trainers exist everywhere. Hire them. Outsource them. Pay for them yourself if you have to. And yet, some idols do nothing. Absolutely nothing.


    That is what really gets me. The complete lack of effort.

    Maybe it is the fans. Endless praise. Forced hype. Applauding every disaster until improvement becomes optional. Years pass. Time moves forward. But instead of growth, there is decay. These groups make millions from music and album sales, and I am supposed to accept that some of them still cannot hit the right notes? It is tragic.


    Experience builds skill. Repetition creates mastery. And yet these idols, after years on stage, still cannot sing properly while standing still. That is where my respect disappears.


    I know kpop has never been purely about vocals. I understand that. But if you are selling music, then at the very least it should sound decent. I am not asking for Beyoncé. I am asking for the bare minimum. Competence. Effort. Progress.


    So yes, they deserve criticism.

    This does not mean I support hate. But let us stop pretending honest commentary is cruelty. If someone says, "XX sounds like a dying goat", maybe that is harsh. But if it is true, then maybe the problem is not the words. It is the performance.

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    I’m aware that vocals aren’t the only important thing in kpop, but I agree with what you said about criticism. Sometimes, though, criticism can turn into constant hate. I think the most important point here is not being able to improve or make progress in singing despite the time that has passed and the experiences gained.

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    some people can sing really well when sitting.


    And i don´t think is fair to ask the same person to hit the right notes while perfoming a choreo.


    you try making an opera singer to sing perfect while doing a choreo. Maybe they will be able with one song. Now, in concert ...you are delusional

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    Quote from loneranger1

    some people can sing really well when sitting.


    And i don´t think is fair to ask the same person to hit the right notes while perfoming a choreo.


    you try making an opera singer to sing perfect while doing a choreo. Maybe they will be able with one song. Now, in concert ...you are delusional

    Musical actors can, not just a concert but sometime 2 shows in a day, 5 days a week. They were trained for that. You don't have to look to far, just look at the idols who became top tier musical actors like Bada, Ock juhyun, Kim Junsu, Lina.


    Idol training currently are all unprofessional, not efficient, they just don't know how to teach idols the basic. It must be standardized. Or better company should leave it to the universities, they've been doing this for centuries. Or just recruit theater kids.

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    And the warnings are usually there before The Big Controversy™ happens. Performances that receive a smaller amount of backlash so the idol/agency doesn't bother improving. Without those small incidents—that still do reputational damage, The Big One™ would have never happened.


    I lose a lot of respect for performers that went by coasting so long as they got a check until they had no other choice but to improve

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    The problem isn't the criticism itself. It's the motive behind the criticism. That determines whether it's hate or constructive criticism.


    People just need to be honest with themselves about what they're doing. Much of the time, it's just a cheap tactic to get back at another fandom. Can't beat them on the charts, so they weaponize the critique of idols' skills.


    You have to wonder why they exert so much energy into making sure others know just how terrible the particular idol's singing is. They put together video compilations in hopes of going viral. That's hate.


    For those of us who genuinely love K-pop and legit don't care about the fan-driven competition, we tend to mean what we say without any ulterior motive. We might love a group, but be disappointed by some aspect of their performance. That's valid.

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    None of the idols you mentioned are ugly or having better looks than others. Luck is the most important factor in this industry, talent or look are just there to increase the chance.


    For example in YoonA's case, popularity came from the lead role from YAMD. It's not because of look, she's just lucky to be accepted on the right role and right show.

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    Quote from vinslow4

    For example in YoonA's case, popularity came from the lead role from YAMD. It's not because of look, she's just lucky to be accepted on the right role and right show.

    actually no, Yoona was already praise for her natural beauty before she even starred in YAMD, it's actually thanks to her growing popularity thanks to her looks by starring in other SM act MV that she was able to get YAMD role

    and get SM to push her more

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    Agree


    Any idol should be able to sing well when they debut

    and people who talk about growth and improvement with the time are just looking for excuses


    I'm not saying that Idols doesn't improve with times and experience they do


    but Idols didn't just pick up in the street and then debut the next day, prior to their debut they spend 2-5 years in most case training having 2-3 vocal classes every week


    if we count the time they train + the time after debut they need to "grow", it's not normal that after pretty much 10 years, someone isn't able to be a decent singer and in this case they deserve the criticism for their vocal performance


    there's no excuses for an idol to debut after having so much training and not being able to hold a note or being off beat while singing

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    This! Intention and the absolute lack of nuance are at the core of what makes the kpop environment so toxic (although not exclusive to that). You can't criticize your group because that'd make you a fake fan. You can't criticize another group, especially a "rival one" because it has to be hating on the group (a lot are tbh).


    You either have to praise grandly or hate ans this forum is no exception to it.

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