In the end, AESPA were the second coming of SNSD

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If there was any other SM girl group that clearly followed in the footsteps of GG, it would be AESPA. Both groups became pillars of SM Entertainment and at their peaks were the most successful acts from the company (while being a girl group)

While they might not have the same concept, the immense success both groups have brought to the company is a testament on its own.

They’ve both stood at the top of their generations and have broken records upon records. If SNSD created the steps to the palace, FX and Redvelvet only walked the path while AESPA walked up the steps!

If we rank them relatively by comparing successes with other groups of the same Gen: the gap between top 4th gen ggs and aespa are much smaller than between top 2nd gen ggs and SNSD.

So aespa weren't the second coming of SNSD, they were better.

Both SNSD and aespa were decisively defeated by the Kingpin of KPop (despite not being part of it), whose face graces the left of my reply.

SNSD's The Boys was defeated by the Kingpin's You & I,

and

aespa's Savage was defeated , decisively, by the Kingpin's Strawberry Moon.

The Kingpin had the honor of destroying the leading acts of the 2nd and 4th generation. In that aspect, the fates of SNSD and aespa crossed - both were crushed by the same person.

Let's not get carried away, okay?😂

Also, let's not disrespect f(x) and Red Velvet like that. aespa never did anything that f(x) or Red Velvet didn't do before. On the contrary, aespa is yet to achieve what Red Velvet did.

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Both SNSD and aespa were decisively defeated by the Kingpin of KPop (despite not being part of it), whose face graces the left of my reply.

SNSD's The Boys was defeated by the Kingpin's You & I,

and

aespa's Savage was defeated , decisively, by the Kingpin's Strawberry Moon.

The Kingpin had the honor of destroying the leading acts of the 2nd and 4th generation. In that aspect, the fates of SNSD and aespa crossed - both were crushed by the same person.

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Both groups are not the leading acts of respective generation.

Them being defeated by someone is nothing newsworthy.

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NewJeans is gone and IVE is still there, so aespa is merely third at best in reality.

Aespa is above Ive if just by a tiny bit, and NewJeans doesn't count because they were benched after 2 years

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Aespa is above Ive if just by a tiny bit, and NewJeans doesn't count because they were benched after 2 years

IVE is above aespa in every relevant metrics: charts, PAK, sales, popularity, etc.

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IVE is above aespa in every relevant metrics: charts, PAK, sales, popularity, etc.

They are pretty much the same with aespa being slightly better in more categories and a bigger gap in global popularity so i give it to Aespa

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Both groups are not the leading acts of respective generation.

Them being defeated by someone is nothing newsworthy.

did you just say snsd was not leading acts of their generation? and you think ive is better 4th gen representative? lmaooo

i've seen enough internet for today

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did you just say snsd was not leading acts of their generation? and you think ive is better 4th gen representative? lmaooo

i've seen enough internet for today

Well, IVE did better than aespa in charts, sales, GP popularity. But both are not 4th gen rep, it is NewJeans.

SNSD were pretty weak in charts (compared to the leading acts) so they weren't too.

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Well, IVE did better than aespa in charts, sales, GP popularity. But both are not 4th gen rep, it is NewJeans.

SNSD were pretty weak in charts (compared to the leading acts) so they weren't too.

SNSD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other GGs in 2nd gen

NewJeans = Benched way too early

Aespa > Ive

there's no doubt Aespa are SM's currently more sucessful GG , but im not sure about comparing them to SNSD's sucess.

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They’ve both stood at the top of their generations

Wait what??!

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there's no doubt Aespa are SM's currently more sucessful GG , but im not sure about comparing them to SNSD's sucess.

agreed. as much as i adore my girls but snsd will always be one of the most successful groups from SM and dare i say one of the best groups that ever existed. aespa is amazing in their own way though

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Both groups are not the leading acts of respective generation.

Them being defeated by someone is nothing newsworthy.

SNSD was the leading act of the 2nd Gen until IU defeated it

aespa was the leading act of the 4th Gen until IU defeated it . After the New Jeans fiasco aespa almost reached that position again but APT. and Golden made any discussion meaningless

Also it is remarkable that both of them , 2 different generations, was defeated by the same person.

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SNSD was the leading act of the 2nd Gen until IU defeated it

aespa was the leading act of the 4th Gen until IU defeated it . After the New Jeans fiasco aespa almost reached that position again but APT. and Golden made any discussion meaningless

Also it is remarkable that both of them , 2 different generations, was defeated by the same person.

we get it lol.. miss iu is the goat

did SNSD also have a reputation of giving poor live performances?

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did SNSD also have a reputation of giving poor live performances?

Or poor stage presence

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SNSD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other GGs in 2nd gen

NewJeans = Benched way too early

Aespa > Ive

Stats disagrees

I'm too lazy to find aespa vs IVE numbers but the most significant is that aespa so far only have ONE #1, while IVE have SIX #1s. But aespa have some songs can be called national hits and have the longevity so overall they are not too far behind.

Simplify speaking: if NewJeans is 10 then IVE is 8, aespa is 7.9.

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SNSD was the leading act of the 2nd Gen until IU defeated it

aespa was the leading act of the 4th Gen until IU defeated it . After the New Jeans fiasco aespa almost reached that position again but APT. and Golden made any discussion meaningless

Also it is remarkable that both of them , 2 different generations, was defeated by the same person.

In 2009 "Genie" was defeated by 2NE1 (a newbie GG)'s "I Don't Care",

In 2010 "Oh" was defeated by 2NE1's "Follow Me",

In 2011 "The Boys" was defeated by WGs' "Be by Baby".

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Stats disagrees

SNSD numbers

- 15 weeks as #1 MelOn: #3, after WGs 29, 2NE1 18 (23 with colab),

- 3 months as #1 MelOn: #3 after WGs 8, 2NE1 4,

- 89 weeks as top 10 MelOn: #3 after 2NE1 99 (110 with colab), WGs 90,

- 10 weeks as #1 Circle: #3 after Sistar 12, 2NE1 11

- 2 months as #1 Circle: #2 after 2NE1 3

- 42 weeks as top 10 Circle: #4 after Sistar 69, 2NE1 67, T-ara 46

- 7 songs as #1 MelOn: #3 after 2NE1 9 (10 with colab), WG 8

- 15 songs as top 10 MelOn: #2 after 2NE1 17

- 8 songs as #1 Circle: #3 after 2NE1 9, Sistar 9

- 12 songs as top 10 Circle: #3 after 2NE1 17, Sistar 17

- 2 songs as top 10 MelOn yearly: #4 after 2NE1 7, WGs 3, Sistar 3

- 2 songs as top 10 Circle yearly: #3 after 2NE1 4, Sistar 3

- ~30 million total download: #2 after 2NE1 ~60 million (the real position maybe lower because I can't find T-ara's number)

I'm too lazy to find aespa vs IVE numbers but the most significant is that aespa so far only have ONE #1, while IVE have SIX #1s. But aespa have some songs can be called national hits and have the longevity so overall they are not too far behind.

Simplify speaking: if NewJeans is 10 then IVE is 8, aespa is 7.9.

In 2009 "Genie" was defeated by 2NE1 (a newbie GG)'s "I Don't Care",

In 2010 "Oh" was defeated by 2NE1's "Follow Me",

In 2011 "The Boys" was defeated by WGs' "Be by Baby".

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Now tell me about aespa and ive's stats outside of korea

I won't even try to discuss with you about SNSD and second gen so let's focus on aespa and ive

intentionally picking a fight you will lose

You are half right.

RV just never reached the heights of Twice or BP obviously, let alone SNSD. TBH, i wouldnt even put them 3rd in 3rd gen without having a serious comparison with OMG and Mamamoo. You could argue the latter two are more relevant digitally in Korea.

But Aespa being as big as SNSD?

I think Aespa has two of the greatest songs in recent Kpop history and Karina is legit one of the top It Girls Kpop has ever produced. She goes toe to toe with Wonyoung, who to me is the biggest It Girl Kpop has ever had (greater than Taeyeon, Suzy, Yoona, Hyori, Sunmi, Hwasa, Jennie, Lisa, Irene, etc).

But when it comes to impact, they are behind Ive and Newjeans.

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You are half right.

RV just never reached the heights of Twice or BP obviously, let alone SNSD. TBH, i wouldnt even put them 3rd in 3rd gen without having a serious comparison with OMG and Mamamoo. You could argue the latter two are more relevant digitally in Korea.

But Aespa being as big as SNSD?

I think Aespa has two of the greatest songs in recent Kpop history and Karina is legit one of the top It Girls Kpop has ever produced. She goes toe to toe with Wonyoung, who to me is the biggest It Girl Kpop has ever had (greater than Taeyeon, Suzy, Yoona, Hyori, Sunmi, Hwasa, Jennie, Lisa, Irene, etc).

But when it comes to impact, they are behind Ive and Newjeans.

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Only behind NewJeans

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Now tell me about aespa and ive's stats outside of korea

I won't even try to discuss with you about SNSD and second gen so let's focus on aespa and ive

how many days or longevity are aespa songs in spotify global vs ives song in spotify global. find me those numbers
how many us spotify entries do both have.

how many countries does this both group enter

how many #1's do these both have in korea

How are the sales in japan albums?

SNSD was bad at dancing too?

JUSTVIBING like

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In 2009 "Genie" was defeated by 2NE1 (a newbie GG)'s "I Don't Care",

Gee was their biggest hit that year, Kpop's song of the decade in the 2000s

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SNSD was bad at dancing too?

I'm so used to responding to comments like these with "Not you talking with your faves existing" then it truly sunk in who you stan and I'm like, "Nahh a good portion of NMIXX are actually decent dancers."

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You are half right.

RV just never reached the heights of Twice or BP obviously, let alone SNSD. TBH, i wouldnt even put them 3rd in 3rd gen without having a serious comparison with OMG and Mamamoo. You could argue the latter two are more relevant digitally in Korea.

But Aespa being as big as SNSD?

I think Aespa has two of the greatest songs in recent Kpop history and Karina is legit one of the top It Girls Kpop has ever produced. She goes toe to toe with Wonyoung, who to me is the biggest It Girl Kpop has ever had (greater than Taeyeon, Suzy, Yoona, Hyori, Sunmi, Hwasa, Jennie, Lisa, Irene, etc).

But when it comes to impact, they are behind Ive and Newjeans.

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There's no serious comparison to be had between RV and OMG or Mamamoo. Especially the former, who were nearly disbanded before their run of only two or three consecutive songs that blew up prior to them swiftly returning right back to nugudom. They ended up having good longevity, but that's about it. The chasm between RV and any other gg is nearly as wide as the chasm between them and the top two groups.

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Didn’t 2ne1 win song of the year in 2009?

Only in MAMA but only because SM has issues with Mnet that time so no SM artists performs/attend in MAMA until 2011 when the issue was resolved. But for Golden Disk, Seoul Music Awards, and MMA, Gee was the SOTY.

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Gee was their biggest hit that year, Kpop's song of the decade in the 2000s

True, but Gee was released months before 2NE1's debut.

Since 2NE1's debut, they've always won against SNSD.

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True, but Gee was released months before 2NE1's debut.

Since 2NE1's debut, they've always won against SNSD.

That's true. But what's also true is no song in 2009 could rival Gee. Not only because of its digital numbers, but also because of the cultural impact it had in South Korea.

Career wise, I agree in terms of digital numbers: 2ne1 >>> SNSD. In terms of sales and public recognition: SNSD >>>> 2ne1

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did SNSD also have a reputation of giving poor live performances?

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Or poor stage presence

Aespa and LSF will never surpass the real legends

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Aespa and LSF will never surpass the real legends

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And it was your bias who fucked up!

(joking i know it was SM's fault!)

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And it was your bias who fucked up!

(joking i know it was SM's fault!)

She was CONFIDENT and wanted to make sure you fuckers UNDERSTOOD Oh 난 평범한 소년

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That's true. But what's also true is no song in 2009 could rival Gee. Not only because of its digital numbers, but also because of the cultural impact it had in South Korea.

Career wise, I agree in terms of digital numbers: 2ne1 >>> SNSD. In terms of sales and public recognition: SNSD >>>> 2ne1

Yes, but the topic here is who was the leading act and/or who defeated SNSD first.

Back then digital was the main way to consume music, stronger at digital also mean better career as singer. Today even casual listeners buy physicals because the shift in consumer preference, but in 2nd gen only fans bought it.

To be fair, SNSD is the Kpop outlier. They were the only one in Kpop history who had bigger public presence than top acts of their time. This leads to many confusions about 2nd gen hierarchy.