ADP...

I'll make a thread about this, but just bc I'll write about a lot of points.

Annie: she is rich, super rich, this doesn't mean she'll pay for ADP success when losers like some of you can't even stop talking about them. They don't need to pay for anything when everything they do, good or bad, generates buzz on sns.

And let's not forget some stan faves that were RIGGED in survival shows, where the company really PAID for them to debut STEALING the spot of the "deserving" trainees. And even b t s we always had rumors how "rich trainees" paid their way to debut, but suddenly just Annie has this money and now this is unfair bc the richest girl stole my debuted faves place ???

Their talent: they aren't the best, but I've seen worse, I won't mention names, but if your faves were already dragged for their vocals/rap/dance and they are more than +2yo then don't come talking about others idols talent. No reason to actually act like suddenly you care about talent this much.

Criticism: it's totally ok to criticize them, but it's ridiculous how since debut some have decided 'i don't like them" but in every ADP thread you'll be there. It's weird. If you like being "negative" bc "oh, they deserve it" while preaching about idols mental health, b, you are sick, seek therapy. We had so many real criminals scandals and some CHOSE to stay silent bc "not my bias, idc", but now you are loud??? now you are loud?

Tarzzan: he deserves the criticism bc of the braids and some attitudes, but I'm seeing BG STANS whose faves did way worse, bullied, had misogyny lyrics and attitudes PRE AND AFTER DEBUT, had the same style, aren't that talented either but bc they are "typical handsome k-pop" they have a pass, etc etc etc, I don't need to describe male idols scandals here and you guys are still stanning them "but they apologized" yeah, when you get caught you apologize.

So criticize him, but let's be conscious. Some call him clown, but the biggest clowns are the hypocrite ones acting like their faves are saints.

I don't even stan stan them, I did enjoyed their music, but this whole "criticism " reminded me so much of BP rookies years like omg, people are really crazy....

I don't want to fight, I'm tired of getting quoted, but I just wanted to do this thread bc yes

I'm not name dropping anyone and if you come here and name-drop your idol or group that's on you

Anyways, peace and love I guess

See you all in good threads to interact normally

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Girl noooooo. Let's not act like I'm bringing random drama here

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This entire thread screams deflection.

"So yes, ABC is ok and gets a pass because XYZ has done the same."

Like..

Yeah, that's how you, me and any other kpop fan act.

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Extremely rich coming from you who will drag the faves of any and all users who criticize your faves when those same faves of yours were just recently and consistently dragged for lack of vocals + laziness + lack of energy + lack of dance ability. Again..

That's what I do, I don't create threads criticizing others faves, but if I see you dragging my fave when your fave has the same problem so yeah, I'll drag it back. If you don't have a problem talking shit neither do I.

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And wanna guess what's weirder?

Completely glossing over the fact that girlie had a mental breakdown because she has been hated on relentlessly and automatically concluding that "oh girl stop playing victim already."

But yes you're great, a saint, a strong advocate for idol health, and should get a peace prize..right? Ok.

Still hurt? But you said you didn't care. I just matched the energy in the thread, but I guess it wasn't funny bc it was towards your fave.. weird.. when others were dragging ADP you said nothing..

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Apologizing, whether forced or not, yet still showcasing some semblance of personal growth over the years (i dont know nor care who you're talking about there) is much better than being criticized for being a cultural appropriator and not giving a hoot about the fact that you are trampling on and actively disrespecting a culture that apparently shaped who you are as an artist/person and you supposedly respect. Its giving shameless and the same people like YOU who act like "ill overlook it cuz other people have done the same and its common in kpop" are the reason why he remains shameless.

But ofc..he's young and having fun..anddddd others have done it so whats the problem..right? Ok.

So you want to see ADP personal growth in 2 months or you'll "wait" like the others idols who changed after years?

And I think he is cringe, but he isn't the only one and yes, he should apologize. Never said he shouldn't, I'm just saying that others also just apologize after a lot of drags..

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Y'all act like any of the rigged trainees actually asked to be involved in that shitshow. But whatever fits your narrative right..? Ok.

Oh, I specifically mentioned the company paying and whether you want or not, they got the spot of another trainee. That's no narrative here, just pointing out and it wasn't towards you, there are others stans saying Annie is paying her debut and everything when they don't care about rigged members or others rich idols.

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Anyways, some of y'all act like real losers and it makes me wonder. Cuz how will you act like one is better than the other and more acceptable just because the opposite doesn't suit your narrative?

Y'all can attack me all you want but at the end of the day, you won't see me invalidating the mental and emotional state of an idol or even repeatedly dragging other groups in defense of my faves.

I've been there once and guess what? Wasn't cute then, isn't cute now.

Stay sane y'all

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Still on Sakura, but never letting go of Tarzzan ass, damn. As I said, if he cries maybe you'll stop? Or maybe not.

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Can I make an ADP thread too?

Hate thread? I'll ignore it

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Oh please call them out

Call all those bitches out

I'll give you akorns if you tag them even

I'm glad actually that you took my side in this one , I'm like ?? Girls, your idols whole friendship concept was bullying members, making colorists jokes, being misogyny, making weight jokes bc god forbid one of the males to gain a little weight, etc etc etc....

Anyways, I won't tag bc you'll give me akorns and I'll receive either a temporary ban or a perma ban

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To be fair

I do think that a lot of things ADP do kinda deserve criticism. For me the main thing is that for a group that has that much money and hype, I kinda expect more in terms of skill so that is the thing that doesn't add up

But it is kinda funny when others come to attack them for things that their faves has done worse. I could name a lot of way more problematic things, problematic lyrics, words used which they only apologised because they got caught, especially from the stans of bigger groups.

Like problematic lyrics they will twist it to "oh MY FAVES DIDN'T WRITE THAT ACTUALLY yeah he was the main songwriter in all their songs but HE DIDN'T WRITE THAT IT'S THE COMPANY" or when they wear something problematic "my FAVES ARE A FASHION ICON but erm that hairstyle and that outfit that specific particular one THEIR COMPANY MADE THEM WEAR IT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT"

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Yes, I understand the skill issue criticism they are getting, actually any group whose members aren't exactly up there talent wise gets criticism, but so many here act like they are the only ones with this problem or how dare they debut...

And bg stans really really should pass any ADP thread if they want to say something when their faves are the typical "hannam" and with SEVERAL examples all over their careers and even pre debut so.

I'll never forget the whole "my faves did everything alone" to when a sudden scandal hit "omg, it's the company fault, oppaR is innocent!!"

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ADP works hard even if they have money! Annie didn’t even have to go through the brutal and hellish lifestyle of an idol, but she chose to put herself in the struggle.

If she wanted status, Annie could have been an actress because actors and actresses have higher social status in Korea. She could have been a politician. She could have opened up her own company.

But ultimately, she chose what felt right even if she makes less money and gets less status for it.

Even her family was opposed to the idea of her becoming an idol. She did it anyway.

That is one honorable, humble person.

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Her parents are so asian that they dead ass said "uhum, but graduate first, give me a college degree" and just then she could really pursue her dream

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The girls of ADP took the biggest risks by joining this group.

Youngseo gave up her ILLIT position and the opportunity to debut in a BIG company. She gave that up to make music that she identifies with more. She gave up guaranteed success to be with an underdog company and underdog group.

Bailey gave up her successful choreography career. She was working with SM. She gave that up to join a company and group full of misfits.

Annie gave up her chaebol lifestyle to be a tired, overworked idol who’s constantly on the move. That’s sacrifice and humility.

I think this needs to be acknowledged more! There’s luck in some ways, but they also took huge risks and worked hard to get here. They had so much to lose.

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Putting like this, yeah, Youngseo really gave up debuting under Hybe (not a good company, but the biggest ever in kpop) bc she didn't identity with the group's direction, this was brave of her. Not many has this courage.

And yes, Bailey was huge working with others companies, getting noticed ww and chose to become an idol.

And let's not talk about Annie, actually an idol career for someone as rich as her is kinda like "poor?" she could and in the future I'm sure she will get more money with others works like opening a company or something like this.

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was abt to act defensive then realized i actually don't know who the fuck y'all are shading

monalisalove spill

I can name them, BB ( ), EXO, NCT, BTS, Enhypen, SKZ, BLOCK B, etc etc etc, in all these groups we have more than 1 member being messy with some being hannam....... now if people stan them despite all their controversies and want to criticize ADP for something that compared to their faves looks like kids play .......... That's a choice .. a smart one? I wouldn't say so.. but that's why I mentioned them, I wasn't trying to defend Tarzzan, I know he was/is ignorant with his whole "I'm yellow but my soul is black (Zico's lyrics btw ) and he should understand he is a Korean and start understanding well that just bc you study, is immersed in this world, you CAN'T be them, neither use their culture as outfits. I hope Teddy stops this and he himself understand it too. Anyways, I'm not defending him on this matter! But if some accepted their faves doing this and WORSE they can't act like Tarzzan is the first one doing it and just he is wrong...

And some did and do a lot of wrong things, sure, they say sorry, but they keep doing controversial things that's why I told you saying sorry bc you got caught again isn't really that nice imo. Either you change for good or that's it. And if your fans are still with you after so many issues then they can't be too judgy towards another idol.

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Do you know the definition of an underdog?

In his mind I think it's= poor people

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No, hon it's not about how poor you are, it's about how big of a chance you have to win something.

ADP debuted with 5 already popular kids, under a company that is run by a mainstream producer who worked for one of the biggest Kpop agency in Kpop.

I love Hwasa, but I would NEVER call PNation an underdog company for the same reason. PSY is a massive name in this industry, just like Teddy.

I don't mind free promotion, so here's a REAL underdog group with Mari (black outfit) who could be the best 5th female rapper and vocalist, but she's definitely in the TOP3, yet 99% of Kpop fans never even heard about them.

So, how ADP is an underdog group?

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In Superyeah group I did say I don't consider them underdog, but I think your perception of underdog is wrong too. You choose instead of applying it.

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It's not my perception Mona, you can Google it too what this word means. I've NEVER seen anyone calling a popular group, artist, athlete, anyone, underdog.

Saying they're hated for no reason (I mean the whole group) is acceptable and fair, saying they're outsiders, sure let's do that, because that's their image, but they're not underdog.

I worked with multiple underdog artists and they only left their underdog status to work somewhere else, and not in this industry.

As I said, I don't think they are underdog.

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wait what did svt do

I think the Mingyu bullying accusations, but from what I saw he wasn't the one doing the bullying, but he was in the circle laughing while others got bullied and Wonwoo running a hate SNSD acc , but actually I shouldn't name them, they are literally 13 members and their mistakes were when they were really young.

Sorry, I'll delete them from that beautiful list

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Thank god I stan none of them so I can criticize ADP in peace

damn, but but but

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oh i remember being annoyed about the Wonwoo thing cuz he's my bias + SNSD was also one of my fav ggs at the time

idk what happened with Mingyu but oh well

He was wild like KID, YOU ARE A KID.. he posting their pre PS pics now I laugh but when it became known I was like "oh you didn't!!!" Kkkkk