The ADOR - HYBE Dumpster Fire MegaThread - Chapter 12 || Summary on page 1

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    MHJ 2 hour press conference:

    English transcript:

    LIVE UPDATES — ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin press conference
    Welcome to our minute-by-minute coverage of the press conference held by Min Hee-jin, producer of girl group NewJeans and CEO of agency ADOR. The conference…
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    Complete timeline by ItsActuallyMe

    Current: May 31, 2024 10:05AM Pacific | Updated as details emerge

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    Timeline of significant events based on media reports




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    *reminder that these are not facts just reports from the media and the parties involved


    Article:

    Naver Article in Korean on the conflict


    Korean News Outlet provides outcome of the injunction

    Court approves ADOR CEO’s injunction against HYBE
    The Seoul Central District Court approved the injunction filed by ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin aimed at preventing HYBE, the label’s parent company, from using its…
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    21st March 2025:

    Korea JoongAng Daily: Court orders NewJeans to halt independent activities


    Yonhap news: Court grants injunction to ban NewJeans' (NJZ) independent activities


    BBC: Court rules against K-pop group NewJeans in record label dispute


    CNN: NewJeans: Court rules against embattled K-pop band days before headline show


    Soompi: ADOR Releases Official Statement Following Court Decision On NewJeans + NJZ Announces Plans To Appeal


    Report on BSH's Fraud Investigation:

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  • does anybody think that either side will graciously accept the judge's decision next month instead of appealing


    EDIT: also happy twelfth megathread - may your dumpster always be full of fuel for the fire

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    be fookin serious m8 lol jk ♥

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    for it to be over wbk

  • How surprising for an article to come out about how MHJ ~totally edited kkt messages~ and that the original ~totally prove she is an evil criminal witch~ but also the police refused to press any charge against for anything despite having access to every record and hybe breathing down their neck about it, iirc the only civil legal actions taken against MHJ are for defamations (linked to her first press conference) rather than business interference and also hybedorlift are the ones with a history of presenting creatively re-interpreted "evidence".

  • I would like to see the legal proceedings end before it reaches that, but I also... want to be realistic.

    The last mega lasted under 3 months I think. With NJZvAdor 30/Oct and MHJvsHybe in November, I think we hit 13 easily. 14 is the question mark cause assuming we get appeals we'll get more lawsuits based on who wins.

  • Articles relating to Mother's convos about Hybe not going public.

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  • Some info on Mother, and how she was deceived before she even signed on the dotted line...

  • Some info on Mother, a d how she was deceived before she even signed on the dotted line...

    This is wild but he craziest part to me is Bangs friend outright telling her she was being undervalued with the percentage that was being offered to her and making Bang get mad at him for telling her the truth.


    She's deffo gonna win her money, but best part is she is taking a chunk the size of the US out of Hybe at the same time and exposing ALL the mess.


    And to think, none of this would have happened had Hybe acted decently with her. You really reap what you sow. :pepe-toast:

  • This is wild but he craziest part to me is Bang's friend outright telling her she was being undervalued with the percentage that was being offered to her and making Bang get mad at him for telling her the truth.


    She's deffo gonna win her money, but best part is she is taking a chunk the size of the US out of Hybe at the same time and exposing ALL the mess.


    And to think, none of this would have happened had Hybe acted decently with her. You really reap what you sow. :pepe-toast:

    I think they wanted to poach her, to lock her in.


    It's better to have the threat inside, than outside of your company 😬

  • This is wild but he craziest part to me is Bangs friend outright telling her she was being undervalued with the percentage that was being offered to her and making Bang get mad at him for telling her the truth.


    She's deffo gonna win her money, but best part is she is taking a chunk the size of the US out of Hybe at the same time and exposing ALL the mess.


    And to think, none of this would have happened had Hybe acted decently with her. You really reap what you sow. :pepe-toast:

    Messed with the wrong women indeed :smirks:


    Min Heejin sends her regards! 🫢 🤭


    From the court :


    “Exhibit B No. 54. (Presentation of conversation between Min Hee-jin and a headhunter hired by Bang Si-hyuk in 2019)


    After the dispute began on April 22, Defendant Min Hee-jin had a conversation with a headhunter, who was hired by Chairman Bang Si-hyuk in January 2019 to recruit her. At the time of joining HYBE (then BigHit), while negotiating salary compensation with Chairman Bang Si-hyuk, there were widespread rumors that the plaintiff would soon go public, and the headhunter suggested that the incentives Min Hee-jin would receive could potentially be replaced with stocks from the upcoming listing.


    However, Chairman Bang Si-hyuk stated, “There are absolutely no plans for listing,”


    and preferred to substitute it with a signing bonus, which Min Hee-jin trusted and proceeded to sign the salary contract.”


    Bang's walk of shame is very likely leading him straight to jail :pepe-hehe: !


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  • Thing is, because of her testimony, the headhunter is likely to be questioned by the police (if not already) which means the police will have the records of all the big exec people hired before or after her and if Bang said the same thing about listing or if they were in on it.


    Esp with her case as a base with her starting in July and the fraud company being made in June and buying shares since late 2018. They'll have a play by play of the lies leading up to the IPO.


    Fact is, if they wanted to keep it a secret, all they needed to do is have her and the headhunter sign an NDA as well as have them listed as knowing insider information prior to the IPO, same with all the shareholders lmao.

  • Fact is, if they wanted to keep it a secret, all they needed to do is have her and the headhunter sign an NDA as well as have them listed as knowing insider information prior to the IPO, same with all the shareholders lmao.

    Tbh, I'm surprised they didn't do this in the first place. It would've saved themselves a lot of hassle.

  • Their obsession with trying to get to the top of the industry... in the world... meant they set their own landminds...

    :meme-picard-facepalm:


    Utter. Utter. Dumbfucks.

    And get to the top FAST. They could have started slow. They had hit the jackpot with all the capital and fame they got through their golden goose. They could used that to focus on genuine talent development and establishing a genuine legacy. Maybe presented an alternative vision for kpop and k-music in the way Bang always talked about. But no. They ultimately did the same old fast expansion, short term profit for the shareholders, pushing groups on the big stage before they were ready too fast too soon, and threw away any artistic integrity they had in the process.

  • And get to the top FAST. They could have started slow. They had hit the jackpot with all the capital and fame they got through their golden goose. They could have used that to focus on genuine talent development and establishing a genuine legacy. Maybe presented an alternative vision for K-pop and K-music in the way Bang always talked about. But no. They ultimately did the same old fast expansion, short-term profit for the shareholders, pushing groups on the big stage before they were ready too fast too soon, and threw away any artistic integrity they had in the process.

    Exactly!!! The tagline, "We Believe in Music", is a mockery of music itself. If it were about music, it would've tried to elevate ALL Korean music. Not just K-pop. Sure. Have K-pop, but it shouldn't be your only musical revenue source. Expand into Rock (especially Rock, since that incident in the mid-00s), Classical, Indie.. etc.


    Everything!!


    Your bedrock should be all genres. Not one genre.


    If they did this first, instead of buying companies like candy, then the company would've been in a better place long-term than it is short-term.


    Short-term, it's great. Long-term... not so great, since they don't bother building on IPs, and would rather venture into producing new ones, neglecting existing ones 🙄

  • Tbh, I'm surprised they didn't do this in the first place. It would've saved themselves a lot of hassle.

    I think we have to remember at the time Hybe's ego was at an all-time high. BTS officially got over as the global group when it comes to kpop and won multiple global awards. Their other groups were also performing well and the company disrupted the kpop landscape.


    They most likely thought they were untouchable, so most likely got sloppy and forgot to include stuff like that in contracts. Plus, they wanted to get MHJ to get one over SM I bet. I remember at the time many were curious where she was going to go and Hybe wanted those headlines no matter what. We also can't forget their attempt to purchase SM and their buying spreed of companies and their main goal was acceleration into knocking out one of the big 3 companies.


    I just wonder what else they were sloppy in when their ego was at an all-time high. They most likely never thought things could backfire like this. It would be wild if MHJ has the smoking gun about them not going public at the time. I think people don't understand how serious IPO fraud is because he could legit do time if Korean laws are tough on it like other places.

  • Thank you! Finally someone else says what I have always felt too. Why not elevate non-idol korean music too? Maybe venture into film and drama production too if we are going to branch out so much instead of fan platforms and stupid games trying to masquerade as a tech company. I think the real problem is that Bang has too much control on everything in the company and he only goes for what he knows and he knows only kpop. He is such a control freak he is not happy with letting the company take risks and collaborate with other artists and creatives. We saw what happened with Min Heejin. Bang can't let an artist whose concepts and artistic development he personally didn't oversee get ahead of those artists whose he did oversee.

  • I think we have to remember that at the time Hybe's ego was at an all-time high. BTS officially got over as the global group when it comes to K-pop and won multiple global awards. Their other groups were also performing well and the company disrupted the K-pop landscape.


    They most likely thought they were untouchable, so they most likely got sloppy and forgot to include stuff like that in contracts. Plus, they wanted to get MHJ to get one over SM I bet. I remember at the time many were curious where she was going to go and Hybe wanted those headlines no matter what. We also can't forget their attempt to purchase SM and their buying spree of companies and their main goal was to accelerate in knocking out one of the big 3 companies.


    I just wonder what else they were sloppy in when their ego was at an all-time high. They most likely never thought things could backfire like this. It would be wild if MHJ had the smoking gun about them not going public at the time. I think people don't understand how serious IPO fraud is because he could legit do time if Korean laws are tough on it like other places.

    No offence, but the sloppiest thing he ever did was give her a label without conditions.


    She, allegedly, didn't pay into it; got shares in it; got complete control of it; and had no financial oversight by Hybe in it.


    He is the biggest idiot in the industry, and she was laughing in his face. Heck, she even did so in a KKT message to him when asked if she was happy after Ditto came out!!


    If I were in her position... I would be, too!! 🤣🤣🤣

  • Thank you! Finally, someone else says what I have always felt too. Why not elevate non-idol Korean music too? Maybe venture into film and drama production too if we are going to branch out so much instead of fan platforms and stupid games trying to masquerade as a tech company. I think the real problem is that Bang has too much control over everything in the company and he only goes for what he knows and he knows only K-pop. He is such a control freak he is not happy with letting the company take risks and collaborate with other artists and creatives. We saw what happened with Min Heejin. Bang can't let an artist whose concepts and artistic development he personally didn't oversee get ahead of those artists whose he did oversee.

    Hmm... I'm not too sure about films and dramas, but there has been a downturn in the industry, like YG closing its acting division (poor move in my eyes, as they should've just spun it off or sold it off). However, they could've focused more on composing OSTs instead of the random idol singing a song for one 🙂‍↕️


    The gaming division should never have happened.


    As for the fan platform, it's not a bad idea, but I feel it should've been a joint venture between the big players rather than one company versus another. Think about how the Big 3 and others joined together to compete with Kakao over distributions, when they created KMP Holdings in the early 10s. That's the sort of collaboration that should've happened.


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    Exactly that, in regards to BSH with his desire for control!! It's why he wanted rid of NewJeans!! Money is one thing to him, but if it means he isn't in control of it, he'll burn it to the ground, as control matters more to him than money.

  • Yeah I'm bored with the current dialogue. It needs to be a little messier to be a proper Megathread.


    I hope BSH has been enjoying his vacation at the police station


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  • Good for MHJ but that was one of the dumbest decisions you can make business-wise. I'm unsure if we would get the same results if she didn't have full creative control. I could see a situation where Hybe steps in and we get much different results. Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Hybe didn't like Attention. We could've legit had a much different debut for NewJeans if she didn't have full control because Hybe most likely would've given them a song that follows trend. Would be a tragedy if we didn't get attention because that is one of my favorite kpop songs of all time.


    Praise Hybe for their stupidity because they would've for sure interfered with greatness.

  • Yeah, I'm bored with the current dialogue. It needs to be a little messier to be a proper Megathread.


    I hope BSH has been enjoying his vacation at the police station


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    Can we call him Augustus Gloop? As I bet they're running out of food to feed him by now!!

  • She, allegedly, didn't pay into it; got shares in it; got complete control of it; and had no financial oversight by Hybe in it.

    The allegedly carries a lot of weight here, I feel, given who made the allegations.


    (also i feel you generally mischaracterise the fact that ador had to use and pay for hybe's services on quite a few thing, that abusing their oversight is exactly how hybe started this whole thing and that hybe's 80% supermajority of shares isn't that different from 100% ownership.)

  • Good for MHJ but that was one of the dumbest decisions you can make business-wise. I'm unsure if we would get the same results if she didn't have full creative control. I could see a situation where Hybe steps in and we get much different results. Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Hybe didn't like Attention. We could've legit had a much different debut for NewJeans if she didn't have full control because Hybe most likely would've given them a song that follows the trend. It would be a tragedy if we didn't get attention because that is one of my favourite K-pop songs of all time.


    Praise Hybe for their stupidity because they would've for sure interfered with greatness.

    I think if it operated separately, but Hybe maintained control over the financial oversight of Ador, things would be nearly the same. The MVs might've been slightly different, depending on how much each MV cost, but the vision would've likely been the same.


    Remember, MHJ can work on even the tiniest of budgets. Remember how well the art film for Pink Tape was? Smallest of budgets and she had to rope in family to help her. It's still one of her greatest works to date 😉


    If Hybe had control of Ador like any other label, then yes, Attention wouldn't have happened, as everything would've had to have gone through them 😒


    In my eyes, the best thing would've been that Hybe had oversight of the finances with a CFO, but that's it. After all, they do own 80% in it 😬

  • The allegedly carries a lot of weight here, I feel, given who made the allegations.


    (Also I feel you generally mischaracterise the fact that Ador had to use and pay for Hybe's services on quite a few things, that abusing their oversight is exactly how Hybe started this whole thing and that Hybe's 80% supermajority of shares isn't that different from 100% ownership.)

    You're right in regards to the alleged, as we know who would benefit from it being said.



    With Ador, you're right, too. Hybe's 80% stake gives it near-total control, and forcing Ador to use Hybe's services is exactly how their oversight turned into abuse. Independence was more illusion than reality in some cases...


  • [theqoo] [EXCLUSIVE] MIN HEEJIN "CHAIRMAN BANG TOLD ME THERE'S NO PLAN TO GO PUBLIC"


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    Chairman Bang Sihyuk of HYBE questioned over alleged fraudulent trading, reportedly told Min Heejin in 2019 “There are no plans to go public”

    On the 15th, Bang Sihyuk, chairman of HYBE’s board of directors, was summoned and questioned by the Financial Crime Investigation Division of the Seoul Metropolitan Police in Mapo-gu, Seoul, over allegations of fraudulent and unfair trading under the Capital Markets Act. He is accused of deceiving investors by falsely claiming that Big Hit Music (HYBE’s predecessor) had no plans to go public, and of acquiring shares under that pretense.

    It has now come to light that Bang also told Min Heejin, former CEO of ADOR, “there are no plans for an IPO” when he recruited her in 2019.

    In a phone call with The Hankyoreh on the same day, Min said, “In January 2019, during an in-person meeting to discuss my contract, Chairman Bang told me, ‘We’re not planning to go public’ and proposed, ‘Cash is better than stock for incentives. Let’s replace it with a signing bonus instead.’”

    She added, “I signed the contract based on his word, and others who were also trying to recruit me at the time were aware of this.” A signing bonus refers to a one-time cash incentive offered outside of base salary. Min officially joined Big Hit Music in July 2019 as Chief Brand Officer (CBO).

    This statement was submitted as evidence in the ongoing lawsuit over a stock purchase option (put option) between Min and HYBE, which was heard at the Seoul Central District Court on September 11.

    The statement in question from January 2019 came just three months before a private equity fund (PEF) management company, suspected of being formed by Bang’s close associates to secure investor share, was established. Financial and regulatory authorities suspect that this PEF was a “planned fund” created solely to profit from HYBE’s IPO.

    In fact, two months after its founding, in June 2019, the fund began acquiring HYBE’s old shares, starting with 25 billion won (~$18.7 million) worth from a co-founder and executive vice president, Choi. Authorities are now investigating whether early investors, including Choi, sold their shares at a discount based on Bang’s claims that there were no IPO plans.

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    The asset management company that had accumulated shares sold them off intensively after HYBE’s IPO in October 2020, reaping nearly tenfold returns. During this process, the stock price plummeted by nearly 60% from its peak within a week, causing major losses for retail investors. About 30% of the profits from these sales, estimated at around 400 billion won (~ $300 million), ended up in Chairman Bang Sihyuk’s hands.

    The "earn-out agreement" that guaranteed Bang’s profit from this deal was not reported to the Korea Exchange at the time of the IPO.

    Contrary to Bang's claim that “there were no plans to go public,” evidence has emerged that HYBE had already begun preparing for an IPO. For example, HYBE applied to the Financial Supervisory Service (FSS) to appoint an external auditor for IPO purposes around September–October 2019 and signed the official contract in November. Appointing a designated auditor is a mandatory step in the IPO process.

    An accountant with multiple IPO experiences said, “To formally begin the IPO process, companies must spend at least a year on preliminary preparations. If the designated auditor was appointed in November 2019, it’s reasonable to assume HYBE had plans for an IPO as early as 2018, or even earlier.”

    HYBE has consistently claimed that there were no IPO plans in early 2019 and that preparations only began in earnest toward the end of that year. Regarding Min Heejin’s testimony, a HYBE representative stated, “As this was a personal conversation between Chairman Bang and Min, it is not something the company can verify at the corporate level.”

    The police, who summoned Chairman Bang as a suspect, previously raided the Korea Exchange in Yeongdeungpo District, Seoul, in June and secured documents related to the IPO screening process. Last month, they also raided HYBE’s headquarters in Yongsan District.

    Meanwhile, the Securities and Futures Commission under the Financial Services Commission filed a criminal complaint against Chairman Bang in July, accusing him of unfair trading. The prosecution has since delegated the investigation to the special judicial police unit under the Financial Supervisory Service.

    In response to the police summons, Bang’s side said, “The IPO was conducted in compliance with all relevant laws and regulations. We will fully cooperate with the investigation and provide a thorough explanation.”


    source: https://n.news.naver.com/mnews…le/028/0002766478?sid=001


    1. And the way they treated their only female executive like that is so transparent ㅎㅎ


    2. Lets put him in jail


    3. People who say Min and Bang are the same people, please I beg you to live in reality


    4. Haboongie will probably go and expose more of her Katalk in retaliation after


    5. Why are some comments here pretending to not know what this means? He's saying there were no plans to go public, if the timing doesn't add up, that could be a serious issue, but people are talking about it like it’s nothing... and apparently, she even submitted evidence...


    6. Bang Sihyuk needs to pay for his crimes


    7. The part-timers are here too ㅋㅋ


    8. I seriously wonder how many journalists he paid and how many of them he brought with to golf


    9. Min Heejin fighting


    10. So even the part-timers here can't shield this ㅋㅋ You guys sound like f*cking conservatives

  • Agreed, but still a risk if they made Ador operate like their other sub-labels. I think that would've been so messy because I don't think we get the same results. I think their other labels Hybe has the final say and they would've clashed early.


    I still don't understand the whole ego part because Ador exceeded expectations and attempt to crash it before their peak. Having this all happen before a world tour is crazy because NewJeans world tour would've done crazy numbers. If I was in charge of Hybe even though it was a stupid decision to give her full control, but I wouldn't care because results exceeded expectations. I'm sure MHJ was going to have success with the boy group she was going to create. I think as a business you have to accept some Ls when results exceeded expectations.

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