I've seen a lot of girl group concerts in my time, but the Le Sserafim concert...

This is why we cannot trust all the hate videos or hate train like the Coachella saga

LSFM is that bitch and will always be that bitch

I give a like to Chaewon Manila fancams every time I see them

Pics/Vids or didn't happen

I never understood their popularity, they are just one step better than NewJeans, with slow boring music. Don't understand what fans sees in these groups.

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This is why we cannot trust all the hate videos or hate train like the Coachella saga

We shouldn't forget Coachella, because it was a mess! Why we shouldn't forget it? Because if what Yama says is true, it should be an example of Idols can develop their skills.

I said this many times. Hate is not okay, but they got a LOT of valid and fair criticism, it's up to the artist (not just Kpop Idols) if they take it seriously, understand the message and want to be better or not.

Singing and performing on stage is just like anything else in life. Sport, acting or any other job. You're going to be judged and can get better. Simple as that.

If Yama says it was good, then it was. This is one of the few things I can trust Yama on. I'll be sure to use Yama's experience to defend LSFM from the haters!!!

Glad you had such a great time!

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We shouldn't forget Coachella, because it was a mess! Why we shouldn't forget it? Because if what Yama says is true, it should be an example of Idols can develop their skills.

I said this many times. Hate is not okay, but they got a LOT of valid and fair criticism, it's up to the artist (not just Kpop Idols) if they take it seriously, understand the message and want to be better or not.

Singing and performing on stage is just like anything else in life. Sport, acting or any other job. You're going to be judged and can get better. Simple as that.

What is unfair is that others use loud backtrack and get away with it.

Some artists can barely breath when they can't rely on it, but it was like LSF was satan for a good while.

Which girl groups have you seen live?

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Yama is quite the concert/festival connoisseur. Probably has one of the longest lists of concerts seen on akp.

I hear and read many good reviews from it, I knew they would be fantastic

This is their first big world tour (Europe next if somu dont fuck up) so they will get better and better bc nothing makes u a better performer than concerts

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What is unfair is that others use loud backtrack and get away with it.

Some artists can barely breath when they can't rely on it, but it was like LSF was satan for a good while.

I agree, but it's still not an excuse, just an example of Kpop fans being hypocrite and biased.

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I'm just glad they sang live at Coachella even if it wasn't their best performance.

A lot of haters just deliberately have no consideration for nuance. They deliberately choose to be out of touch with reality by taking one Coachella stage and using it as the end-all and be-all when judging this group.

The rest of us hopefully have common sense and know that stage presence can fluctuate. It's normal for groups that haven't toured much at a setting they're not used to. LE SSERAFIM clearly benefited from gaining experience since then.

True, I hate lip-sync more than bad live singing. I said this when people started this hate train. LSF isn't the problem, it's HYBE/Source, and not only LSF, pretty much all of their groups. Most of their Idols (the vocal lines obv) are not crap singers, it's just the songs they gave them is hard to sing because it's not in their range. Even Sakura can sing better songs, there are example of that. Yunjin I think the one who had opera background, and people think that means she's the best vocalist of all-time, and can be a Pop singer as well. Not really, Kpop and Opera is a totally different genre. That's why she struggled at first.

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David33 Why shouldn't we forget Coachella? It's been over a year and they've improved since then. It's not as if they committed some heinous, evil crime. This isn't a "forgive, but never forget" situation.

It's just K-pop, something people rely on for entertainment and escapism. Why would you rather focus on a worse performance when you could enjoy one that's better and more reflective of their best form? Are you a masochist?

Let's not forget what it's really all about.

That's not why I said we shouldn't forget Coachella, and you know it because I spelled it out. It's an example of where did they start and where are they now. That's all.

A LOT of Kpop fans think their faves are perfect, never made a mistake, every song they release is 10/10 and sing live all the time without autotune etc. That's why we should remember performances with flaws. People might say: "Look at them, they are crap." but you can say: "Look at this, they developed over time."

There are multiple Kpop groups that were trashed because of their live vocals since Kpop exist, and most of them took the criticism and worked harder.

I don't really follow LSF, let alone watch them live, so I have to believe what our Kpop expert says, but even if they improved just 20%, they still improved, and that's what matters.

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Wrong group, dude

Glad you enjoyed it, I knew they wouldn't disappoint

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Their sets were performered with immaculate precision and infectious energy, there was minimal lipsync as they used hand mics for majority of their sets, their vibes with the crowd were CRAZY, and now that I think about it, they didn't have a single dancer for any song of any stage. I don't know if I've ever seen that at any K-Pop tour: literally zero dancers; it was all LSF all the time.

Disevidence , "buried in a sea of back-up dancers" you were saying? Go on......

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I never understood their popularity

That's okay. Their target audience isn't the hare-brained, anyway.

Some people LOVE to say what horrible singers they are and whatnot but those same people consistently fail to even stock up on information regarding the group they are about to shit on. Every single member of LSF can sing. Are they THE BEST? No and that's okay because they don't need to be world-class singers to put on a good live performance.

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Some people LOVE to say what horrible singers they are and whatnot but those same people consistently fail to even stock up on information regarding the group they are about to shit on. Every single member of LSF can sing. Are they THE BEST? No and that's okay because they don't need to be world-class singers to put on a good live performance.

Yes, they are the best. Or one of the best at the very least.

Unlike almost every other act in all of pop, LSRFM actually sang live without autotune, loud backtracks, or lipsyncing at Coachella. That already makes them better than all the other autotune, loud backtracking, lipsyncing "queens" out there.

50 minutes of the hardest choreo of any GG. Like imagine some of these other "top" GGs trying to do LSRFM choreo while singing live without autotune or backtracks... Some wouldnt even make it past ONE LSRFM song without collapsing on the ground just from choreo alone lol.

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Not my video, but the first two clips are two halves of one of the absolute best sets I have ever in my K-Pop life seen performed.

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Legit the best energy I've felt in a building since the time I saw Manamoo on tour all the way back in 2017, and that was in Seoul. For a stop on American soil, this stretch of songs is unmatched in its intensity and party atmosphere which was elevated by the crowd

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Nice clips.

What's so interesting about LSRFM is that individually, they're not considered the best dancers. Probably only Chaewon would rank in the top 10 of 4th gen with tough competition from the likes of Izone Chaeyeon, Yujin and Eunbi, Itzy's Yeji and Chaeryeong, Loona Heejin, Wooah Nana, and Lightsum Juhyeon.

But then somehow, when you watch them perform on literally any random stage, the girls just clear every other GG in Kpop right now.

A Kpop concert with only 5 dancers onstage for 2 hours. Like you said, literally unheard of. Background dancers have a purpose and they can be a very worthwhile addition to a performance but too many groups use them as crutches to hide behind and distract attention away from their own inability to perform.

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Nice clips.

What's so interesting about LSRFM is that individually, they're not considered the best dancers. Probably only Chaewon would rank in the top 10 of 4th gen with tough competition from the likes of Izone Chaeyeon, Yujin and Eunbi, Itzy's Yeji and Chaeryeong, Loona Heejin, Wooah Nana, and Lightsum Juhyeon.

But then somehow, when you watch them perform on literally any random stage, the girls just clear every other GG in Kpop right now.

A Kpop concert with only 5 dancers onstage for 2 hours. Like you said, literally unheard of. Background dancers have a purpose and they can be a very worthwhile addition to a performance but too many groups use them as crutches to hide behind and distract attention away from their own inability to perform.

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I hope Juhyeon gets recognition one day.

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Legit the best energy I've felt in a building since the time I saw Mamamoo on tour all the way back in 2017, and that was in Seoul. For a stop on American soil, this stretch of songs is unmatched in its intensity and party atmosphere which was elevated by the crowd

You're overexaggerating. I'm not saying LSF performance was bad, because based on these clips, it's not bad, it's good, especially the 3rd video where they actually sing live, but they're not even close to Mamamoo on stage. That comparison is just unnecessary. Like, this feels more like a set-up, than a praise.

Didn't you say, you watched Mamamoo's MyCon in the US? I only say this because you said "this stretch of songs is unmatched in its intensity and party atmosphere which was elevated by the crowd".

A 13 minute long non-stop Solo-medley, I think can be included as something that no other group ever did, so what LSF did isn't "unmatched", not even in the US.

IF you're talking about dancing, sure that's a valid point, because MMM isn't about dancing for 2 hours.

This concert feels more like a Rave Party than a Kpop concert if I'm being honest, but not surprised because LSF is more on the EDM side than Kpop.

Happy that you had an amazing experience. I hope next tour they come to my city because I really want to see them but unsure about solo traveling to a concert if they don't visit my city. I guess if they visit a friend's city I would go.

Also, it seems everybody that went to their show said it's an amazing performance and felt they set the standard for what they want to see in a kpop concert.

Onto Coachella, it wasn't awful and you have to respect they were actually singing live and doing strong choreography. If I speak I would be in big trouble, but I would say their coachella performance was better than most kpop acts.

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I hope Juhyeon gets recognition one day.

Sadly it won't happen because the group she's in. I think she's one of the best dancers who won't get her flowers because her group isn't doing well. Still angry about that group not getting things to work because they have the ingredients but not the marketing

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Sadly it won't happen because the group she's in. I think she's one of the best dancers who won't get her flowers because her group isn't doing well. Still angry about that group not getting things to work because they have the ingredients but not the marketing

Well, she's young

She can still escape Cube after contract ends

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Yes, they are the best. Or one of the best at the very least.

Unlike almost every other act in all of pop, LSRFM actually sang live without autotune, loud backtracks, or lipsyncing at Coachella. That already makes them better than all the other autotune, loud backtracking, lipsyncing "queens" out there.

50 minutes of the hardest choreo of any GG. Like imagine some of these other "top" GGs trying to do LSRFM choreo while singing live without autotune or backtracks... Some wouldnt even make it past ONE LSRFM song without collapsing on the ground just from choreo alone lol.

I appreciate you backing me up but saying they are one of the best or even the best (a reach) singers in 4th gen is false. Saying they are the best live performers of their generation is something I can get behind but singing? Mmmm, im in between on that one.

That being said I do agree that very few ggs in general can compare in terms of live singing while doing a choreo with that level of difficulty/complexity.

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Not my video, but the first two clips are two halves of one of the absolute best sets I have ever in my K-Pop life seen performed.

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Legit the best energy I've felt in a building since the time I saw Mamamoo on tour all the way back in 2017, and that was in Seoul. For a stop on American soil, this stretch of songs is unmatched in its intensity and party atmosphere which was elevated by the crowd

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LSF has one of the best group synergy I've seen in kpop tbh. Like genuinely, very few groups look THIS cohesive on stage and thats why stan LSF = stan talent

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This concert feels more like a Rave Party than a Kpop concert if I'm being honest

No one is pressed about this but you. It feels like a Rave Party. So what? You go to either one to have FUN and every single person who goes to see LSF live HAS FUN. Thats all that matters.

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If I speak I would be in big trouble, but I would say their coachella performance was better than most kpop acts.

don't let ANYONE EVER silence you Queen, speak your truth

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The most impressive part of their concert was their elite stamina. They didn't take very many breaks (just long enough to switch out their mics), did all of their famously intense and complex choreo while singing mostly live, even added in additional dance breaks, and turned the concert into a legit party. Yes, even a rave party at times.

exactly. more people need to appreciate this about them.

i hate when people whine about "too much dancing" in kpop like HUH. The dancing is what makes it fun and engaging and isn't even the downside fans want it to be. Like pleasee, doing such intense choreo for nearly 2 hours and STILL delivery a live performance with the energy being on point all throughout is no joke at all.

The Category IS LE SSERAFIM

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I think IVE is up there as well. I've seen IVE. They left such a lasting and great impression on me. Will be seeing LE SSERAFIM soon.

Yep. When i made my snarky comment about other groups using lipsync all the time, Ive was one of the very very few exceptions. Maybe the only other group besides LSRFM where you can actually hear them louder than the backtrack. Ive's choreo is much much easier than LSRFM's but to balance it out, Ive has more vocally demanding songs like I AM.

In short, two groups lead 4th generation at this point in time. Izone daughter groups Ive and LSRFM

interesting

glad you enjoyed it my friend