So like I was saying, I am not convinced BLACKPINK is the top girl group in the world

  • Clearly I missed nothing of consequence during my absence. Trust me, I saw. Total snoozefest, just like this all-time boring year in K-Pop. So that means my threads had plenty of time to cook in the oven during the 2-week delay. But with that preamble out of the way, let me do what I do best.


    BLACKPINK are not the top girl group in K-Pop right now. I'd be more willing to give that title to aespa, while the actual top group is on a forced hiatus. I want to be fair, so I will show this isn't just a Yama thinkpiece but instead an opinion I've reached after considering all the metrics we fans have always used to judge girl groups.


    But I want to attack the fallacious reasons Blinks and BP sympathizers give for BP being a top group.


    Fallacy #1: LOOK AT THEIR TOUR NUMBERS, Yama!


    Yeah, okay. I see them. And? Any girl group stan who obsesses over touring numbers only is either delusional, lying, coping or all of the above.


    Touring is fantastic. It's awesome. It doesn't carry you to top girl group status on its own. I guarantee that if Twice outdoes BLACKPINK in their upcoming tour, and both groups chart the exact same as they did in their last comebacks, not a single Blink on the planet will say: "Twice had better touring numbers, so Twice is definitely the top girl group in the industry. They had weaker sales, weaker charting, trended less, ranked lower on Gallup, won substantially less awards, got no daesangs and underperformed in every relevant category....but they toured better so they're the top!"


    Yeah, bullshit and we all know it. And that's what I think of the "BUT THE TOURING!" argument. Great as a supplement. Can't be your crutch.


    Let's move on to the next fallacious argument.


    Fallacy #2: LOOK AT THE POWER OF THEIR SOLOS!!!


    Sure, Jan. Sure. I'll be the first to give a song like APT its flowers as the biggest K-Pop song of the year easily. But girl group fans who always attribute solo success to group success are being brutally oblivious and illogical. It's short-sighted sophistry.


    The success of a group can create a platform and garner an audience for an individual member to have solo success, but it is almost never a 2-way street.


    And the logic falls apart under scrutiny. If APT being the hit of the year raises BLACKPINK, then what about all the times Lisa's songs couldn't chart AT ALL in Korea? Does that mean BLACKPINK were generational flops then? Jisoo's latest song could barely get out of the basement of the MelOn charts. Does that get attributed to BLACKPINK too?


    Or should I use Twice as an example? When Nayeon had a mega hit song in Pop in 2022, while Twice the group couldn't break into the top 50, and haven't been in the top 100 since then?


    I think I've made my point.


    So what does make a top girl group? Well, it's not blind allegiance, loyalty or tribalism; it's results; relevance.


    But you have to do a specific something to get those.


    Release music.


    If a girl group that hasn't released a new song since the summer of 2022 gets to keep their crown in 2025, despite having vastly inferior numbers to the actual top girl group during that same time frame, then something is wrong.


    So, I doth protest BLACKPINK's unwarranted and expired adulation as the top girl group. That time is gone. If they release new music this year, there are several benchmarks they need to clear to prove themselves.


    They need to at least dominate as much as 2024 aespa. If they can do that, then they have credibility. Credibility to see if they can at least dominate as 2023 IVE. If they can do that, then they can truly shut me up if they can dominate at least as much as 2023 NewJeans.


    There are LEVELS to this.


    But I think I'm on the right side of history. As always.


    Welcome back, me.

  • Yeah, okay. I see them. And? Any girl group stan who obsesses over touring numbers only is either delusional, lying, coping or all of the above.

    Meanwhile if NewJeans went on tour, you'd take a tour of your own around AKP yapping nonstop about how that puts them ahead of everyone else.


    So shut your mouth and try not to get banned within the first day of your coming back.


    You're really starting to sound like David who froths at the mouth at any chance to talk about BLACKPINK but still falls flat in the delivery of your arguments when you get banned for the umpteenth time.

  • Meanwhile if NewJeans went on tour, you'd take a tour of your own around AKP yapping nonstop about how that puts them ahead of everyone else.


    So shut your mouth and try not to get banned within the first of your coming back.


    You're really begin to sound like David who froths at the mouth at any chance to talk about BLACKPINK but still falls flat in the delivery of your arguments when you get banned for the umpteenth time.

    Incoming post about how NJs had some fanmeet somewhere and got how many people and how "YOU THINK A GROUP WITH THIS AUDIENCE FOR A FANMEET CANT SELL OUT A WORLD TOUR?"


    Real question is, how many seconds or minutes will they take to sell if they even get a chance to smell a tour


    :meme-side-eye::meme-kek::meme-spit-water::meme-go-on::meme-how-about:

  • Meanwhile if NewJeans went on tour, you'd take a tour of your own around AKP yapping nonstop about how that puts them ahead of everyone else.


    So shut your mouth and try not to get banned within the first day of your coming back.


    You're really starting to sound like David who froths at the mouth at any chance to talk about BLACKPINK but still falls flat in the delivery of your arguments when you get banned for the umpteenth time.

    Mind you he was like b-but Tokyo dome last year

    yes because other GG have the best selling female albums, are the most viewed and most streamed.

  • Incoming post about how NJs had some fanmeet somewhere and got how many people and how "YOU THINK A GROUP WITH THIS AUDIENCE FOR A FANMEET CANT SELL OUT A WORLD TOUR?"


    Real question is, how many seconds or minutes will they take to sell if they even get a chance to smell a tour


    :meme-side-eye::meme-kek::meme-spit-water::meme-go-on::meme-how-about:

    Mind you he was like b-but Tokyo dome last year

    He can dismiss these beloved stats that he so dearly obsesses over but once NewJeans achieves those feats then all of a sudden, it will matter more than anything else.

  • I mean are they the biggest GG now I guess not as its been 3 years. If they actually release something sells well, charts well and they sell a shit load of tickets they get that title back. So I do agree on that. However,

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    Touring is fantastic. It's awesome. It doesn't carry you to top girl group status on its own.


    Well it plays the biggest part. When your tour is the biggest of any kpop GG up there on the all time list with Destiny's Child, Little Mix and Spice Girls that stat is more impressive than any GGs today. Touring is the biggest indicator of how big you are, that is objectively a fact. Sales, YT numbers, charting numbers on kpop are always inflated you made that point yourself in the NJZ thread and look at Gnarly perfect example its crap but Hybes ads and fan campaign, got it all the stats to make it look impressive. Companies we know fake them, then the obsessive nature of kpop fans and fans campaigns to get no1. You can't fake people turning up to concert. It why it's hard to tell how popular kpop actually till they tour.

  • Meanwhile if NewJeans went on tour, you'd take a tour of your own around AKP yapping nonstop about how that puts them ahead of everyone else.


    So shut your mouth and try not to get banned within the first day of your coming back.


    You're really starting to sound like David who froths at the mouth at any chance to talk about BLACKPINK but still falls flat in the delivery of your arguments when you get banned for the umpteenth time.

    If NewJeans went on tour, but got lapped by another girl group in every statistical category that matters, then I wouldn't have the audacity or the shamelessness to even fathom proclaiming them as the top act in K-Pop.


    Peak NewJeans was literally twice as popular as the next closest girl group.


    Like I said, IF Twice does better tour numbers than BP, how many Blinks will bow in deference and bend the knee to them? Exactly zero, because they know they're full of shit.


    Also, my arguments and threads about BLACKPINK literally do the exact opposite of flopping. Check my numbers. And the reason they succeed is because I know exactly what Blinks are insecure about AND I also understand their group better than they do, as a long-time YG group stan.


    It's an unfair fight.


    Don't ever ****ing compare me to David again. He got banned for BLATANT RACISM. I got banned due to WP accumulation over some milquetoast posts that didn't even deserve moderation.

    Must be the toxic air that got to your brain while you were banned


    It's ok it will pass, you will see the light and smell the reality soon

    You are quite literally exponentially more toxic and malicious than I could ever hope to be. I'm just a lot louder than you. And more articulate.


    lmao i cant even believe this isnt satire atp

    The best satire always has some kernel of truth behind the curtains.


    I mean are they the biggest GG now I guess not as its been 3 years. If they actually release something sells well, charts well and they sell a shit load of tickets they get that title back. So I do agree on that. However,


    Well it plays the biggest part. When your tour is the biggest of any kpop GG up there on the all time list with Destiny's Child, Little Mix and Spice Girls that stat is more impressive than any GGs today. Touring is the biggest indicator of how big you are, that is objectively a fact. Sales, YT numbers, charting numbers on kpop are always inflated you made that point yourself in the NJZ thread and look at Gnarly perfect example its crap but Hybes ads and fan campaign, got it all the stats to make it look impressive. Companies we know fake them, then the obsessive nature of kpop fans and fans campaigns to get no1. You can't fake people turning up to concert. It why it's hard to tell how popular kpop actually till they tour.

    Not to me.


    If BLACKPINK do a massive tour, but flop on the charts, decline in album sales, fail to win any daesangs and get outpaced by the current generation groups, I don't give a DAMN about their touring numbers, and they would get the Twice treatment from me.


    A legacy group past their prime but still surviving on the backs of its large fandom.

  • Another BLACKPINK record bites the dust during the NJZ hiatus era. You hate to see it.


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  • Pretty sure Crys said you got like 10 WPs, ain't the next ban gonna be a perma :memoji-cat-scare:

    I can't get banned for just talking charts and arts, fam. It's funny how I get targeted for the most inoffensive "roasts" imaginable, but we have people out here making rape jokes and all kinds of abhorrent comments about NJZ who get nowhere near the same level of heat as me.


    I mean, I know it's because I have an actual, albeit polarizing, personality while those random users' entire personalities are just hating NJZ or blind devotion to their group of choice, but damn. Be a little more subtle at least.


    Also, I had several WPs expire this month. I'm good.

  • HOW IS THIS HAPPENING


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    Holy. NJZ was so dominant that they decided to just go away and girl groups still can't even approach the level they were at when NJZ were at the peak of their powers.


    That's just the thing with this thread. IF BP were still dominating WHILE touring and without releasing any new music, I would shut up.


    Buuuuuuuuuuut, I don't see them on this list.


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    BUT THE TOURING NUMBERS, YAMA! THE TOURING!


    Yeah, congratulations, Blinks. They're now present day Twice until they prove otherwise.

  • And whos that there at #1 fam :meme-go-on:

  • I DO like Hands Up actually. Been growing on me a lot



    Still like this song more


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    We should share some songs up in this thread

  • Sure Jan.


    And just like David you will once again get banned into oblivion.


    I just know that perma ban LOVES to see you coming.

  • Chill people listen to Yukika

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  • We should share some songs up in this thread

    here you go:


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  • I assume they'll chart well and sell a lot of units. I am more worried about the song quality. Teddy is very hit or miss. Then if there's Bekuh Boom :rolleyes:

    I would like one song to have a similar vibe to Zen


    This is Zen btw


    Its pretty good


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  • stan Sleep Token


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  • I hope they have some input with the album because they had some interesting songs for their solos.

  • Sure Jan.


    And just like David you will once again get banned into oblivion.


    I just know that perma ban LOVES to see you coming.

    Did you not read? I was banned due to accumulation of WPs. Half of which have expired.


    I'm not getting permabanned any time soon. Stop comparing me to someone comfortable with casual racism btw

  • no one said touring is the ultimate decider of artist ranking but it is a pretty important metric. if someone had similar relevance to bp along with better touring numbers then yes they might be considered above bp. but the situation with twice is that they hold very little relevance outside of their fandom these days, when they drop a song it doesnt even chart in korea and gets very few global streams. so hypothetically even if they did get the biggest tour the people would be reluctant to call them the biggest girl group currently. how would it make sense to say "yeah no one much cares or even notices when they release music but they are the biggest girl group currently!". no much sense at all.

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  • Well I suspect that this Blackpink tour will be their last act as a group, so naturally NewJeans would take the spot as the number one girl group. The problem is that we also don't know for sure when and if they will return, and who will be responsible for producing the music and promoting the group

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