Why did Pink Venom and Shut Down have such poor longevity in Korea compared to the other girl group hit songs?

Disclaimer: If you don't care about charts and numbers, click out of this thread. This is just a harmless look at some chart metrics.

Getting to the topic, I've actually been wondering about this discrepancy for quite some time; I'd just decided to keep it to myself until now.

However, after the last few threads about different girl groups, let's talk about something I've not seen anyone else willing to discuss.

BLACKPINK came back with two extremely anticipated and hyped tracks, after a fairly long hiatus as a group back in 2022.

Here is what they did

In 2024, they're gone entirely.

Meanwhile:

In the context of the other top girl group songs released in 2022, what happened to BLACKPINK?

For example, Shut Down spent 49 weeks in the MelOn top 100.

Hype Boy spent 51 weeks in the MelOn Top 10.

At the end of 2024, Hype Boy still ranks at 23 on the year-end MelOn chart. Love Dive was at 60. After Like at 97.

And today, on the daily charts, Hype Boy and Ditto are still charting in the top 100, both songs over 2 years old, both charting at 55 and 43 respectively and still chasing after the record held by:

To put this in context, Pink Venom only lasted in the top 100 for 329 days.

2022 is the PERFECT data set for a standardized comparison between the girl groups, because they ALL released music within months of each other, which means it was an even playing field. I'm comparing songs released in 2022 to songs released in 2022.

So this goes back to my question: why did BP have such poor longevity compared to the current generation top girl groups? And why are Blinks convinced it will be any different if they return in 2025 as an even older group?

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Blackpink is finished

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Why do you think they had such poor longevity compared to NewJeans, IVE and GIDLE?

I think technically even LSF lasted longer with Antifragile, but I was too lazy to check.

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Because they are OVER

FINISHED

Rosé is starting a cilantro farm

Lisa sells liquor now

Jennie wears silverware

Jisoo is rich

Blackpink is DONE

Like why are we even here

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And don't you know how sweet it tastes?

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It's over

I'm not done yet

This is YOUR fault, Mona. And partially David and Tru-Multistan

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Why did 2024 NJs and IVE have such poor longevity compared to QWER? Time for them to pack it in I guess.

Please stay on topic

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How much did they promote those songs in Korea? If they promoted them shortly than it is understandable that it has poor longevity

Huh.

Aren't you a My?

Karina barely promoted her song and look how well Up did. Same for Rose with APT and GD with Home Sweet Home.

I don't think this is an acceptable answer.

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I mean longevity will depend on how you promote the song. It can have a fantastic start because of the group name but it can have a poor longevity because of lack of promotion.

But I think those 2 songs are poorly executed.

Pink Venom has an anti drop which is polarizing and GP won’t listen to it long term, while Shut Down is poorly executed “La Campanella” wannabe song, which many people disliked. I think this explains why it charted poorly.

I appreciate your genuine attempt at analyzing why their songs didn't have staying power compared to the other songs released by IVE, NJ and IDLE.

That's where I'm leaning as well, by the way. The songs were just underwhelming and not something I could ever replay as ear candy like I could with Hype Boy or Love Dive. I think they're flat out MUCH better songs.

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Well other blinks might not like my answer but I really just think it's because Pink Venom and Shut Down aren't very good songs. This is why I actually just find it laughable to even compare BP with other groups. Even with their weaker tracks, they manage to have an absolutely massive comeback. They don't need some super trendy viral hit song to show out on a comeback, their base fandom is just that big. The pinks could yell into a mic for 3 minutes and it'd still compete with 4th gen groups, if not outright beat them.

I also appreciate your genuine response to the thread.

I was with you in the first half, but not the second half. Didn't I just give you numbers that showed they in fact did not compete with the top girl groups of the 4th gen? I mean, it's not even remotely close to competitive.

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Yeah pretty much. Yg couldn’t sample a classical piece like SM did with Feel My Rythm(IMO it is the best song that used a classical piece properly)

Also Yg/Teddy formula got tired cuz since D4 their tts feel the same to me. They have same ra ta ta chants, similar outros and horns

Why do Blinks think 2025 will bring some revolutionary approach from Teddy as a producer for their music? We all heard Izna and MEOVV. Teddy ain't changing.

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Why did IVE NJs and BP have such poor longevity than Day6?

Day6 2017 and 2019 songs are charting higher than any of IVE NJs and BP songs. Yes they are above Hybe Boy/I AM/How Sweet/Heya you can check the charts right now. BP well we don't need to talk about that

And with zero promotion

Is Day6 truly the biggest GG of all time?

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Yes

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Teddy hasn’t produced a single song for MEOVV, and izna sounds nothing like the usual YG DNA style.

This is proof people judge a book by its cover, or a group by its company, when it comes to YGE and TBL groups.

But anyway, BLACKPINK will always stick to that traditional YG sound as long as they’re managed by YGE. You either hate it or you love it, and sometimes people just can’t come to terms with the fact that it’s just not their thing. But there’s always a niche that loves it, which is why BABYMONSTER is doing so well.

Look, Thanos. I don't want any smoke. I'm just saying we can expect more of the same from BLACKPINK as a group. Their last phenomenal title track was Playing with Fire.

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You know what, I almost left a comment that would have kept us going back and forth into eternity but I don't wanna. I'll just say I simply disagree. Twice's last comebacks would be examples of "not even remotely competitive", Pink Venom and Shutdown are not. I'm right, you're wrong. BP is the revolution, I'm done with this.

BLACKPINK wasn't competitive with the top 4th gen girl groups. Twice wasn't competitive with, well, the charts as a whole.

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you just gave me an idea of a thread lol don't say I didn't warn ya

just to answer your question because those songs are more like mid hit songs in korea not comparable with blackpink's biggest hit songs though internationally pink venom and shut down did well.

"In the context of the other top girl group songs released in 2022, what happened to BLACKPINK?

For example, Shut Down spent 49 weeks in the MelOn top 100.

Hype Boy spent 51 weeks in the MelOn Top 10.

the fact you are comparing bp's mid hit songs with new jeans biggest hits just prove bp's impact

if it wasn't for new jeans older hits pushing their streams, new jeans under performing this year would have been more obvious

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Or it's more that BLACKPINK's biggest hits are behind them, like pretty much every top girl group ever. That seems far more likely.

I also compared BP to IVE, not just NewJeans. I also could have compared BP to Super Shy, ETA, OMG, Ditto and pretty much every NJ era, including this year.

The results would be the same.

Also, this has nothing to do with NewJeans being the top group of 2024. Please stay on topic.

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It’s confirmed, everyone. Yama-Chan made this thread just to be a hater. The charts talk was just a front for the hater energy.

I told you. Charts are truly the root of all evil.

There is no need to make this into something so dramatic as an assault against morality itself.

I'm just asking the important questions, and very few people gave me legitimate answers.

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Still waiting on your genuine insight

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It is to be expected that the Korean GP isn't into BLACKPINK as it was in the past.

While not as drastic decrease as with TWICE, BP too as an older act, is not the prime focus of GP.

But the fandom is still there and keeping them up the charts.

Thank you for another legitimate and sensible response. This is exactly what I think as well. But Blinks are convinced BLACKPINK are still the same group they were in 2020.

They're obviously past their prime, but Blinks are in denial like Onces were a few years back.

It'll probably really sink in this year, if they actually come back.

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It's in the name bro

Do I post my ToS?

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I will always push the war on charts. This is for the ones who left AKP because the evil of charts took over. Their hurt feelings and resentment will not be in vain. We've lost so many comrades to the divisive nature of charts. We've had too many people whose outlook on K-pop has been ruined by charts. This is my fight for them.

Anyways... I think BLACKPINK fulfills an important niche in K-pop. People who love that sound will love it. The rest... They just don't like that sound, and that's okay.

I think Blinks should fully embrace the YG DNA sound instead of trying so hard to beat the "not like 2NE1" allegations. Remember, most YG idols specifically chose YGE over other companies because they like the style. This will be an amazing new chapter for Blinks if they approach this confidently and unapologetically.

It doesn't matter if the longevity isn't there. If everyone made music just to top the charts, everyone would just sound like NewJeans. There's no fun in sounding the same.

Ruka said it best. Represent!

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No. I hate BP's music direction after 2018ish. Bring back Whistle. Bring back Forever Young. Bring back Playing With Fire.

If I get another dose of "swag hot girl i get money got the whip lambo" type song from them this year, I'm calling them WASHED.