
Blackpink's gap between their contemporaries is far greater than the gap seen in any other generations
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Absolutely not. That's an absurd statement.
They didn't even become the de facto and undisputed top girl group until 4 years into their careers, which means they've spent half their career looking up at Twice.
This isn't a statistically supported statement at all.
The group with the biggest GAP is NewJeans, and that IS a statistically supported statement.
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Agree and agree
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I vote yes to watch the success stans lose their mind
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Absolutely not. That's an absurd statement.
They didn't even become the de facto and undisputed top girl group until 4 years into their careers, which means they've spent half their career looking up at Twice.
This isn't a statistically supported statement at all.
The group with the biggest GAP is NewJeans, and that IS a statistically supported statement.
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I neither agree or disagree. I think it's closer than your making it out to be, but yes their is gaps in certain metrics. I just wanted to make the thread so I don't have a very strong opinion on this, but really the only argument against BP having the larger gap would be Twice. Remove them and I'd be willing to confidently say BP.
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I neither agree or disagree. I think it's closer than your making it out to be, but yes their is gaps in certain metrics. I just wanted to make the thread so I don't have a very strong opinion on this, but really the only argument against BP having the larger gap would be Twice. Remove them and I'd be willing to confidently say BP.
But you can't.
Twice spent 3-4 years as the Nation's Girl Group and the absolute top girl group in K-Pop. I know they flop digitally now, but at their peaks, they were unbeatable.
There is a reason, as a MooMoo, I picked fights with Blinks instead of Onces. I knew it was a fight I could win (until 2018).
NewJeans debuted and have absolutely steam rolled everyone from day one.
Do you know they spent literally the first 1.5 years of their career in the top 10 of every chart? Think about that stat for a bit and let it marinate.
We will NEVER see anything like it again.
And I could list stats more insane than that if I wanted to take over this thread.
It's NewJeans and it's not even close. No girl group in history has made it to over 3 billion on Circle Digital Index before them and they did it twice and went over 4 BILLION.
Statistically speaking, no girl group has gapped anyone the way NewJeans have since debut.
HYPE BOY WAS #23 ON THE YEAR END MELON CHART FOR 2024
THEIR DEBUT ALBUM IS THE MOST STREAMED GIRL GROUP ALBUM IN MELON HISTORY
Are you seeing these achievements? It ain't close.
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No imo SNSD were the most Dominant Girl Group.
The most impressive thing is their physical sales which are far far greater than any other 2nd gen counterparts. They are the only 1m seller Gg in 2nd gen and by a laaaarge margin.
You may say their digitals weren’t impressive cuz of sistar or 2ne1 but SNSD was very consistent across the board throughout the years. Their YT views are also far ahead of their peers.
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No imo SNSD were the most Dominant Girl Group.
The most impressive thing is their physical sales which are far far greater than any other 2nd gen counterparts. They are the only 1m seller Gg in 2nd gen and by a laaaarge margin.
You may say their digitals weren’t impressive cuz of sistar or 2ne1 but SNSD was very consistent across the board throughout the years. Their YT views are also far ahead of their peers.
You didn't even exist during their peak years
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Very generic statement.
Contemporaries - that is BTS too, and BP in no way is anywhere close to BTS inside or outside SK.
But say just GGs- then within SK, they have not match up to what TWICE achieved e.g. 9 back to back #1s.But outside S.Korea, particularly in the West, yes they are the most successful Kpop Girl Group by a considerable gap.
Even there TWICE is strong competition in concert tours, though not in charting.
So that generic statement is too much of a stretch. Probably only BTS deserves such an unqualified statement - home/away, digitals/physicals etc.,
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Very generic statement.
Contemporaries - that is BTS too, and BP in no way is anywhere close to BTS inside or outside SK.
But say just GGs- then within SK, they have not match up to what TWICE achieved e.g. 9 back to back #1s.But outside S.Korea, particularly in the West, yes they are the most successful Kpop Girl Group by a considerable gap.
Even there TWICE is strong competition in concert tours, though not in charting.
So that generic statement is too much of a stretch. Probably only BTS deserves such an unqualified statement - home/away, digitals/physicals etc.,
I literally said in the OP gg's only and overall popularity.
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You didn't even exist during their peak years
I existed I was just a toddler
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But you can't.
Twice spent 3-4 years as the Nation's Girl Group and the absolute top girl group in K-Pop. I know they flop digitally now, but at their peaks, they were unbeatable.
There is a reason, as a MooMoo, I picked fights with Blinks instead of Onces. I knew it was a fight I could win (until 2018).
NewJeans debuted and have absolutely steam rolled everyone from day one.
Do you know they spent literally the first 1.5 years of their career in the top 10 of every chart? Think about that stat for a bit and let it marinate.
We will NEVER see anything like it again.
And I could list stats more insane than that if I wanted to take over this thread.
It's NewJeans and it's not even close. No girl group in history has made it to over 3 billion on Circle Digital Index before them and they did it twice and went over 4 BILLION.
Statistically speaking, no girl group has gapped anyone the way NewJeans have since debut.
HYPE BOY WAS #23 ON THE YEAR END MELON CHART FOR 2024
THEIR DEBUT ALBUM IS THE MOST STREAMED GIRL GROUP ALBUM IN MELON HISTORY
Are you seeing these achievements? It ain't close.
I really don't have time to be go pulling numbers but I feel like IVE, Aespa, Idle, and even LSF are at least competitive with NJs in a few important metrics, where as any group not named Twice was nowhere even near BP overall. Idk I think it could go either way, and now even SNSD is thrown in the ring!
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I really don't have time to be go pulling numbers but I feel like IVE, Aespa, Idle, and even LSF are at least competitive with NJs in a few important metrics, where as any group not named Twice was nowhere even near BP overall. Idk I think it could go either way, and now even SNSD is thrown in the ring!
You would be wrong. Very wrong at that.
The only category where it's remotely close would be album sales, and even that wouldn't have been close this year if NewJeans didn't have their plans for their first full album sabotaged by those miserable old men at HYBE.
Did you even look at the stats I gave? Do you not understand how insane it is that NewJeans already have the most streamed girl group album in MelOn HISTORY?
They also have the most hours at #1 on the charts this decade by literal hundreds of hours.
They're the first idol group EVER to be 1, 2 and 3 on every single chart in Korea for three straight months.
They outsold Barbie and scored a #1 on the BB200, something only BLACKPINK had ever done.
They have more Spotify streams cumulatively than aespa and IVE. COMBINED.
It's not competitive at all, my friend. Insecure and jealous stans of other groups just want you to believe it is.
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Yama is the David of tokkis
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Yama is the David of tokkis
That's going too far. I always stick to just the facts, and I never attack the idols themselves, which is David's entire personality
I don't even necessarily agree but I voted yes just to spite yama
I'm going to always assume that's why most users here ever vote against NewJeans
Bunch of big company stans who can't take what they've been dishing out for so many years.
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That's going too far. I always stick to just the facts, and I never attack the idols themselves, which is David's entire personality
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You would be wrong. Very wrong at that.
The only category where it's remotely close would be album sales, and even that wouldn't have been close this year if NewJeans didn't have their plans for their first full album sabotaged by those miserable old men at HYBE.
Did you even look at the stats I gave? Do you not understand how insane it is that NewJeans already have the most streamed girl group album in MelOn HISTORY?
They also have the most hours at #1 on the charts this decade by literal hundreds of hours.
They're the first idol group EVER to be 1, 2 and 3 on every single chart in Korea for three straight months.
They outsold Barbie and scored a #1 on the BB200, something only BLACKPINK had ever done.
They have more Spotify streams cumulatively than aespa and IVE. COMBINED.
It's not competitive at all, my friend. Insecure and jealous stans of other groups just want you to believe it is.
I refuse to agree due to bias but you do give a compelling argument. And really NJs getting screwed on their album this year is worth noting. However, although I know it was true not too long ago, it seems the combined spotify stream statement no longer holds up, but I get the point.
That's going too far. I always stick to just the facts, and I never attack the idols themselves, which is David's entire personality
Ill give you 85% facts 15% delulu
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Your premise is immediately invalid as BP were soundly beaten by Twice in almost every criteria for for close to half their career until they finally blew up.
SNSD vs 2G is a bigger domination. From 09 onward SNSD were at the top or around the top every criteria from music like digital, physical and touring to cfs, TV ratings, hallyu. This was an era were the gg scene was highly competitive as multiple ggs could get number 1 or have popularity with fans and public yet through it all SNSD became THE defacto face of Kpop because of their dominance. Others 2G ggs might have matched or beaten them in 1 area but absolutely nobody could ever come close to them in everything else esp over such a long time (that and all their peers disbanded long before them).
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Yama is the David of tokkis
More like he's trying to be like me.
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That's going too far. I always stick to just the facts, and I never attack the idols themselves, which is David's entire personality
My clueless summer child. When did I attack an Idol? Did you lose your reading comprehension because of the Christmas cookies and the New Year's Eve Party?
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It's not my fault that BLINKS got used to 2 minute long lyrics.
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I neither agree or disagree. I think it's closer than your making it out to be, but yes their is gaps in certain metrics. I just wanted to make the thread so I don't have a very strong opinion on this, but really the only argument against BP having the larger gap would be Twice. Remove them and I'd be willing to confidently say BP.
So you started a thread with a premise you don't even agree with.
Twice debuted only a year before Blackpink, so guess what, they're contemporaries. You can't just hand wave them away for the sake of argument.
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I do agree with it but numbers don't lie and I can always be convinced otherwise with enough evidence, the title wasn't really meant to be declarative. yama gave some good evidence, but I'm not sold.
I said if you remove Twice, I'd feel confident in saying it's BP. That is, I feel pretty good saying without looking at any evidence that the gap between BP and RV, Mamamoo, Gfriend, etc. is definitely far greater than NJs and IVE, G-idle, aespa, LSF, etc.
That's why I said Twice are the only argument against BP, because imo they are. None of the other 3rd gen groups were even close if we're talking overall.
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I do agree with it but numbers don't lie and I can always be convinced otherwise with enough evidence, the title wasn't really meant to be declarative. yama gave some good evidence, but I'm not sold.
I said if you remove Twice, I'd feel confident in saying it's BP. That is, I feel pretty good saying without looking at any evidence that the gap between BP and RV, Mamamoo, Gfriend, etc. is definitely far greater than NJs and IVE, G-idle, aespa, LSF, etc.
That's why I said Twice are the only argument against BP, because imo they are. None of the other 3rd gen groups were even close if we're talking overall.
You shouldn't feel good about saying anything without evidence. If we all just shared our perceptions without anything to back them up, it would be complete chaos. But more to the point I'm trying to make, you cannot talk about a gap with their contemporaries and exclude any group from the discussion. Not one. Your thread is essentially "There's a big gap between Blackpink and their contemporaries... if we conveniently ignore Twice." It simply doesn't work that way.
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The gap between BP and the rest of 3rd gen groups post 2020 is probably the biggest, but the fact that during so many years (several years when the groups where supposed to be peaking and they were way more active than now) they were below/similar to Twice makes it difficult to judge.
NJ's dominance was way more obvious until last year, sadly Hybe's mess put them in a different situation and we've to see now how they continue their career. It seems in Korea they're going to continue the same but the international impact is more complicated to predict.
SNSD would be my choice for now until we see what happen with NJ since they were the undisputed #1 from 2009 to 2015, and not just the biggest gg but the biggest kpop act during 2009-2011 which is something no other ggs could achieve.
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I do agree with it but numbers don't lie and I can always be convinced otherwise with enough evidence, the title wasn't really meant to be declarative. yama gave some good evidence, but I'm not sold.
I said if you remove Twice, I'd feel confident in saying it's BP. That is, I feel pretty good saying without looking at any evidence that the gap between BP and RV, Mamamoo, Gfriend, etc. is definitely far greater than NJs and IVE, G-idle, aespa, LSF, etc.
That's why I said Twice are the only argument against BP, because imo they are. None of the other 3rd gen groups were even close if we're talking overall.
BLACKPINK couldn't even beat Mamamoo head to head in 2017, and both Twice and Red Velvet had stronger 2017s than even Mamamoo.
If you're not sold, that's because you never intended to buy and not because I didn't make a compelling case to do so.
This isn't even my opinion. It's quite literally factually untrue.
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Yes the gap is humongous. You’ll have to be quite delulu to think otherwise.
They had less releases so people pull up some random numbers to discredit them but the gap between them and others is extremely huge.
They have been the #1 GG since something like 2018-19 and till now no one has come remotely close to them.
Korea is an even playing ground for kpop as a whole and esp GG’s so many GG’s will come and go there but when it comes to over all popular INCLUDING Korea, it’s BP and then the rest of kpop.
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I do agree with it but numbers don't lie and I can always be convinced otherwise with enough evidence, the title wasn't really meant to be declarative. yama gave some good evidence, but I'm not sold.
I said if you remove Twice, I'd feel confident in saying it's BP. That is, I feel pretty good saying without looking at any evidence that the gap between BP and RV, Mamamoo, Gfriend, etc. is definitely far greater than NJs and IVE, G-idle, aespa, LSF, etc.
That's why I said Twice are the only argument against BP, because imo they are. None of the other 3rd gen groups were even close if we're talking overall.
He just provided few years that doesn’t really mean anything tbh.
If you look at BP’s career it’s bigger much much much much bigger than their contemporaries.
The touring between MMM and BP for sample is laughably huge.
Now the thing about twice is they faded far too quickly in terms of their music popularity.
There is only one group who has continued to be able to release popular music and tour and make buzz on social media and it’s Blackpink.
Like how are people even dumb enough to argue that anyone comes close to Blackpink 😭
You’ll have to be truly living under a rock.
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Yes the gap is humongous. You’ll have to be quite delulu to think otherwise.
They had less releases so people pull up some random numbers to discredit them but the gap between them and others is extremely huge.
They have been the #1 GG since something like 2018-19 and till now no one has come remotely close to them.
Korea is an even playing ground for kpop as a whole and esp GG’s so many GG’s will come and go there but when it comes to over all popular INCLUDING Korea, it’s BP and then the rest of kpop.
He just provided few years that doesn’t really mean anything tbh.
If you look at BP’s career it’s bigger much much much much bigger than their contemporaries.
The touring between MMM and BP for sample is laughably huge.
Now the thing about twice is they faded far too quickly in terms of their music popularity.
There is only one group who has continued to be able to release popular music and tour and make buzz on social media and it’s Blackpink.
Like how are people even dumb enough to argue that anyone comes close to Blackpink 😭
You’ll have to be truly living under a rock.
In a thread where David made an appearance, you're somehow still the person who clearly knows the least about what they're talking about.
It took literally half their careers for BP to even BECOME the top girl group, so the entire premise of the thread is a complete flop, since another girl group was the absolute top of the industry for 4 years. How is that fading quickly? That's more than half of the third generation as a whole.
BLACKPINK's reign was mighty but also mighty short in the grand scheme of things. Twice had more years as the top girl group and so did SNSD. And statistically, the gap between BP and their peers isn't remotely close to the scale of the gap between NewJeans and well EVERYONE, if we're being honest.
NewJeans is a total anomaly and alien in terms of their statistical dominance and significant industry impact. Looking at just the numbers, we've never seen ANY group do what they've done in such a small time window. It took YEARS for BP to accomplish what NewJeans did in under a year.
Which is why you're all so insecure about their impact and aggro towards me. It hurts to watch a rookie come out of nowhere and trivialize achievements you people thought would last for a long time.
It's massively entertaining for me, to be honest. Watching Blinks and Onces watch all their "untouchable" records get speed run
Hype Boy already blew past D4 to become the most streamed song on Circle and second most streamed song on MelOn ever. Cheer Up is next.
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He just provided few years that doesn’t really mean anything tbh.
If you look at BP’s career it’s bigger much much much much bigger than their contemporaries.
The touring between MMM and BP for sample is laughably huge.
Now the thing about twice is they faded far too quickly in terms of their music popularity.
There is only one group who has continued to be able to release popular music and tour and make buzz on social media and it’s Blackpink.
Like how are people even dumb enough to argue that anyone comes close to Blackpink 😭
You’ll have to be truly living under a rock.
Yes the gap is humongous. You’ll have to be quite delulu to think otherwise.
They had less releases so people pull up some random numbers to discredit them but the gap between them and others is extremely huge.
They have been the #1 GG since something like 2018-19 and till now no one has come remotely close to them.
Korea is an even playing ground for kpop as a whole and esp GG’s so many GG’s will come and go there but when it comes to over all popular INCLUDING Korea, it’s BP and then the rest of kpop.
... says the person who only listens to boy bands.
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You shouldn't feel good about saying anything without evidence. If we all just shared our perceptions without anything to back them up, it would be complete chaos. But more to the point I'm trying to make, you cannot talk about a gap with their contemporaries and exclude any group from the discussion. Not one. Your thread is essentially "There's a big gap between Blackpink and their contemporaries... if we conveniently ignore Twice." It simply doesn't work that way.
Look I'm not saying you can't include Twice, go ahead, I'd still stand by it. I'm just saying without Twice, it's pretty much a braindead argument because it's so apparent that the gap is insanely massive. Feel free to disagree.
BLACKPINK couldn't even beat Mamamoo head to head in 2017, and both Twice and Red Velvet had stronger 2017s than even Mamamoo.
If you're not sold, that's because you never intended to buy and not because I didn't make a compelling case to do so.
This isn't even my opinion. It's quite literally factually untrue.I really don't think individual hits on kcharts are relevant in a discussion about an overall gap. Yes, NJs gap in Korea between their peers maybe larger than BPs ever was, I really can't say for sure. But overall? No. You brought up spotify before. BP has a very healthy gap of 5b views on Twice with half the disco, and after that it's basically not even a discussion. You'd probably have to add up the streams of 10+ 3rd gen groups before you touched BP. Youtube? Not even a discussion. International charting? Again, not even a discussion. The same can't be said for Newjeans.
Honestly it's kind of bold trying to argue a 2 year old group against BP. Their overall dominance has been established for at least 6 years and they are very much still active and still #1 overall. It seems like the argument for SNSD might be better.
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In a thread where David made an appearance, you're somehow still the person who clearly knows the least about what they're talking about.
It took literally half their careers for BP to even BECOME the top girl group, so the entire premise of the thread is a complete flop, since another girl group was the absolute top of the industry for 4 years. How is that fading quickly? That's more than half of the third generation as a whole.
BLACKPINK's reign was mighty but also mighty short in the grand scheme of things. Twice had more years as the top girl group and so did SNSD. And statistically, the gap between BP and their peers isn't remotely close to the scale of the gap between NewJeans and well EVERYONE, if we're being honest.
NewJeans is a total anomaly and alien in terms of their statistical dominance and significant industry impact. Looking at just the numbers, we've never seen ANY group do what they've done in such a small time window. It took YEARS for BP to accomplish what NewJeans did in under a year.
Which is why you're all so insecure about their impact and aggro towards me. It hurts to watch a rookie come out of nowhere and trivialize achievements you people thought would last for a long time.
It's massively entertaining for me, to be honest. Watching Blinks and Onces watch all their "untouchable" records get speed run
Hype Boy already blew past D4 to become the most streamed song on Circle and second most streamed song on MelOn ever. Cheer Up is next.
Yama you keep making polls and losing. You’ll just keep taking L’s after L’s No one is insecure the only person insecure is you here lol. Writing paras and convincing no one.
Popularity should be self evident. And it is in the case of BP.
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