Peak SNSD or Peak BLACKPINK? Which girl group was the most popular at their apex? 48
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BLACKPINK (30) 63%
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SNSD (18) 38%
Peak SNSD or Peak BLACKPINK? Who was the more popular group at their apex?
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Peak where?? SK it's SNSD, but ww it's BP so I'll vote BP
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SNSD without a doubt
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answering this question feels absurd to me because the two groups belong to entirely different eras. Comparing a time when social media wasn’t widespread, K-pop wasn’t well-known outside Asia, and idols didn’t earn as much from endorsements to the current era of K-pop is hard. It’s easier to compare groups like TWICE and BP since they debuted in the same period, but SNSD is really from a much older generation.
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It's hard to compare eras one to one. BP is in a time when Kpop is more accessible worldwide thanks to digital so pure raw numbers is on their side. Even non top tier groups have more Spotify listeners, YouTube views, album sales etc more than SNSD ever did so does that mean groups like Le seraphim or Izone are bigger than SNSD?
SNSD for their time was unstoppable and mega influential. They were equivalent of Spice Girls in UK level of dominance. They ruled the charts, album sales, ruled TV (mutiple own TV shows and even the face of Olympics coverage), face of Korean tourism, all types of CF from fried chicken to luxury items. They were full on pop culture icons that influenced society.
Industry wise they pushed it further by leading the Kpop expansion worldwide (aka hallyu), were the biggest touring gg in the world, set records on Japan, made appearances worldwide media like USA TV and other countries news (in UK our newspapers even featured them a few times), biggest gg worldwide on YouTube and so on. They are also mega influential on idols as they directly led to influx of large member ggs becoming common sight, some many groups were made to emulate SNSD in some form including Twice and BP (originally meant to be a YGSNSD but trainees left/dropped and BP project came out of what was left) many new idols entered the industry because of them, conpanies training regimes use SNSD as the standard to aim for.
The phrase gets thrown around a lot but SNSD is one of the few that actually "paved the way".
Also what is with this site, it's so slow and buggy wtf. I keep getting stuck in endless reload loops.
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answering this question feels absurd to me because the two groups belong to entirely different eras. Comparing a time when social media wasn’t widespread, K-pop wasn’t well-known outside Asia, and idols didn’t earn as much from endorsements to the current era of K-pop is hard. It’s easier to compare groups like TWICE and BP since they debuted in the same period, but SNSD is really from a much older generation.
It's not easy, but it's fun to try anyway.
Sports fans deal with this all the time.
How do I compare Steph Curry, the greatest shooter in NBA history, to Jerry West, who played decades before the 3-point line even existed.
We try our best to standardize and contextualize when comparing players and teams from different eras.
I like to think we can attempt the same with K-Pop and music as a whole.
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It's not easy, but it's fun to try anyway.
Sports fans deal with this all the time.
How do I compare Steph Curry, the greatest shooter in NBA history, to Jerry West, who played decades before the 3-point line even existed.
We try our best to standardize and contextualize when comparing players and teams from different eras.
I like to think we can attempt the same with K-Pop and music as a whole.
Music is not sports hope this helps.
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Why are metrics the main thing used to measure a group's popularity overall?
Wouldn't you say that those metrics are mostly a result of an already-exisiting fandom working their ass off to boost their faves' numbers?
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Music is not sports hope this helps.
No shit.
The point of the comparison flew over your head. Maybe try reading through it again. Hope that helps.
People comparing athletes across eras literally deal with the exact same issues people comparing musicians across eras deal with.
How do I compare a group that peaked before the streaming era and rise of social media to one that came after both?
How do I compare a player who peaked before the 3-point line and when there were only 8 teams in the league to one who came after?
Nice try though.
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Also what is with this site, it's so slow and buggy wtf. I keep getting stuck in endless reload loops.
It's been awful for weeks now
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It's been awful for weeks now
I see. I got a notification, clicked the link to take me to your post and it's a reload loop. I Haven't used this site much over the last couple years but damn it's gone to shit, it struggles to do the basics lol.
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Literally as pressed reply for the above it loads, hangs for a bit, reloads the page and my post isn't actually there. I had to press reply again to make it go through.
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well how else do you measure popularity
you need some element of measurement right? and those measurements are generally referred to as metrics since determining if group a is popular than group b should be determined on a somewhat objective basis and not merely "I said so"
numbers don't lie - it's how one interprets it that matter
now as usual with these question it is the type of metrics that matter not is SNSD peakier than BP or vice versa
the argument SHOULD BE over the determinates of such metrics and criteria and weighting and arguing over those but they never seem to occur
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kpop have moved on to a totally new heights since Gen 3 and it is not even comparable for Gen2 groups.
Gen 2 groups are usually known by koreans and kpop fans only but Gen 3 have reached beyond that, a much wider reach, even non-kpop casual listeners would have heard the hit songs like Dynamite, HYLT, DDDD, OMG
So by this, BP > SNSD objectively. I would even put NJ above SNSD due to same reason. The reach on international landscape is so much wider that it not worth to be compared. But, SNSD remains the legendary kpop GG
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the more popular group has more total fans and listeners
korean population is tiny compared to the entire rest of the world
kpop had massive growth globally during blackpinks era
you can argue that the comparison isnt fair and yeah maybe it isn't, but the answer is just blackpink
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As a fan of SNSD, BP is more popular.
IMO though, SNSD is more iconic.
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the more popular group has more total fans and listeners
korean population is tiny compared to the entire rest of the world
kpop had massive growth globally during blackpinks era
you can argue that the comparison isnt fair and yeah maybe it isn't, but the answer is just blackpink
kpop have moved on to a totally new heights since Gen 3 and it is not even comparable for Gen2 groups.
Gen 2 groups are usually known by koreans and kpop fans only but Gen 3 have reached beyond that, a much wider reach, even non-kpop casual listeners would have heard the hit songs like Dynamite, HYLT, DDDD, OMG
So by this, BP > SNSD objectively. I would even put NJ above SNSD due to same reason. The reach on international landscape is so much wider that it not worth to be compared. But, SNSD remains the legendary kpop GG
Did people like you become K-Pop fans before 2020?
I'm asking this seriously.
Because I constantly see third gen babies (I don't believe any of you were around for the start of the third gen) acting like the stars of the second gen were only known in Korea, like their first generation predecessors, as if the second generation literally isn't accredited with leading the Hallyu Wave.
Contrary to what you may try to argue here, SOME OF US WERE FANS BEFORE THIRD GENERATION.
I didn't live in Korea. I was a casual fan at best back then. I knew of SNSD.
Stop acting like they were just some local act.
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Did people like you become K-Pop fans before 2020?
I'm asking this seriously.
Because I constantly see third gen babies (I don't believe any of you were around for the start of the third gen) acting like the stars of the second gen were only known in Korea, like their first generation predecessors, as if the second generation literally isn't accredited with leading the Hallyu Wave.
Contrary to what you may try to argue here, SOME OF US WERE FANS BEFORE THIRD GENERATION.
I didn't live in Korea. I was a casual fan at best back then. I knew of SNSD.
Stop acting like they were just some local act.
I'm aware they had a decent following outside Korea but it was not comparable with peak BP. They would've been doing big stadium tours if they were.
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SNSD because they are still used as a standart in every comparison
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I'm aware they had a decent following outside Korea but it was not comparable with peak BP. They would've been doing big stadium tours if they were.
They easily could have done stadium tours if they weren't already past their peaks as idols and doing way less group activities by the time the residual impact of the Hallyu Wave they helped usher in had started paying dividends.
And they had way more than a "decent" following outside Korea. There was a time when SNSD was arguably the most popular girl group in the entire world.
People need to stop acting like they were nugu outside of Korea
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OG Sones would eat you alive for your sacrilegious comments
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Another meaningful Yama thread! You should get WP's for copy and pasting the same threads.
When will you get bored with the same stupid question? It's bloody obvious that kids and BP fans will pick BP, because they don't know anything about Kpop and how big it was back in the days.
Also, no one is talking about the fact that SME never give a REAL World Tour to SNSD, they only did SMTown tours, and they're the first girl group that was a guest on a Late Night TV show, also on MTV as well.
Not to mention, they're the #1 girl group on pretty much every Kpop list in the West!
Yet, kids acting like they weren't popular. BP only looks more popular, because we live in the golden age of SNS. You wouldn't hear more about BP in the 2nd gen.
SNSD already achieved those lame streaming stats when BP was still in kindergarten.
The 100 Best Korean Pop Songs Of All Time
K-Pop Girl Groups of the Past Decade: 10 Best (Critic's Picks) | Billboard
End of discussion. I hope some Admin will close this thread and Yama have to throw his "Intellectual Kpop threads" folder in the bin. 🤣
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answering this question feels absurd to me because the two groups belong to entirely different eras. Comparing a time when social media wasn’t widespread, K-pop wasn’t well-known outside Asia, and idols didn’t earn as much from endorsements to the current era of K-pop is hard. It’s easier to compare groups like TWICE and BP since they debuted in the same period, but SNSD is really from a much older generation.
Agree, I have also said this many times.
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In S.Korea, no GG has come anywhere close to SNSD in terms of popularity, influence and longevity.
They were in the top 10 of Gallup for straight 10 years and their peak 2009-2011 were #1 for 3 year consecutively. No GG gets anywhere near.
Internationally, peak Blackpink would be more popular, but frankly the nature of popularity and market itself has changed significantly.
Some reject IU as Kpop, claiming that she might have started as a Kpop idol, but is now more a Kmusic artist. Like that Blackpink might have started as Kpop idols, but their legacy is more K-influencers.
Strangely their solo phase seems to be more active in music than their group.
So at least a TWICE to BP comparison is valid, since they are contemporaries. SNSD belongs to a different scene.
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They easily could have done stadium tours if they weren't already past their peaks as idols and doing way less group activities by the time the residual impact of the Hallyu Wave they helped usher in had started paying dividends.
And they had way more than a "decent" following outside Korea. There was a time when SNSD was arguably the most popular girl group in the entire world.
People need to stop acting like they were nugu outside of Korea
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You just had to bring in that video
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Yes, they have the potential, also should stay on the top 10 for 10 years to match SNSD.
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