RM being selected as a role model for his 'impact' in helping stop violence against women is a joke

It always irks me when men get awarded for women's struggles, especially celebrities because you know most of the time it's a man doing literally the bare minimum or nothing at all. The bar is in hell, why exactly should we as women be expected to feel grateful to men for having BASIC decency? That should be the default setting and it does nothing to minimise misogyny, violence against women and femicide. It's like praising someone for simply existing.

If he wants to be recognized as a role model for his positive impact in helping to stop violence against women, he might want to start here first

honestly, it's ironic considering his fandom is so misogynistic and likes slutshaming female idols. I know it's not his fault (and not all are) but a big part of that fandom are like that but what bothers me is that he never called them out.

I'm sure he knows how toxic his fandom is.... he has to know, he is fluent in English . Probably things would have turned out a bit different if he would have called them out. Not saying anything is worse.

I don't really mind idols getting silly awards most of the time (bp at buckingham palace kek), but this case is particularly egregious. Essentially receiving the award because he wrote mysoginistic stuff in his lyrics back in the day - _-

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honestly, it's ironic considering his fandom is so misogynistic and likes slutshaming female idols. I know it's not his fault (and not all are) but a big part of that fandom are like that but what bothers me is that he never called them out.

I'm sure he knows how toxic his fandom is.... he has to know, he is fluent in English . Probably things would have turned out a bit different if he would have called them out. Not saying anything is worse.

The whole group is complicit.

The whole group, English fluent or not, would have some idea how far reachingly toxic and (for the most part) internally misogynistic their fandom is.

The whole group are among some of the most powerful spokespeople in kpop.

They may not ever be able to stop their fan behaviour completely, but they could stem it so much in a single web live.

They could, all of them, not just RM, call out the awful misogyny and slutshaming that their mostly female audience is known for. They could say how hurtful it is. They could, without even naming any names, say the women and girls that are victim to their fans insanity, are their friends, colleagues, confidents and equals, and that to hurt them does NOT impress BTS members.

They could even go as far as to say they hate that behaviour and they hate the people doing that and don't want them as fans. Turn the rest of their fandom against that element completely.

But they wont.

They are essentially gutless little rich boys.

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They could even go as far as to say they hate that behaviour and they hate the people doing that and don't want them as fans.

There was an incident more than 15 years ago where Heechul said those exact same words to his fans for attacking Boa (if I recall correctly) and contrary to fans' common claims, it did not harm his image or popularity, and he was at the height of his peak at the time. So it's actually possible for idols to speak up against their own fans, especially to call out a behaviour that's universally recognised as toxic and wrong, no one fan fault them for it, not even their own fans.

If you're not willing to stand up to the very demographic you have the most influence on, and try to stop THEIR violence against women, who most of the time are your colleagues and friends even, then it's borderline offensive to be praised and rewarded for allegedly being a positive influence. This is taking advantage of women's suffering to hype up an already successful, privileged and rich man.

Most of awards and recognition given to idols are 90% a joke anyway.

I'm not mad, it's just an ironic situation if his fans celebrate it.

That and also HYBE CEO donated to the IDF and we all know well how they treat women

This is the same guy who had to take classes and courses on how not to be misogynistic due to his antics 🤡

5 innocents girls are being abused and harrassed non-stop by his fandom and the company he is shareholder of but he doesn't even has balls to speak a word on that.

People really be giving awards for nothing

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There was an incident more than 15 years ago where Heechul said those exact same words to his fans for attacking Boa (if I recall correctly) and contrary to fans' common claims, it did not harm his image or popularity, and he was at the height of his peak at the time. So it's actually possible for idols to speak up against their own fans, especially to call out a behaviour that's universally recognised as toxic and wrong, no one fan fault them for it, not even their own fans.

If you're not willing to stand up to the very demographic you have the most influence on, and try to stop THEIR violence against women, who most of the time are your colleagues and friends even, then it's borderline offensive to be praised and rewarded for allegedly being a positive influence. This is taking advantage of women's suffering to hype up an already successful, privileged and rich ma

Imagine using Heechul (or any Super Junior member) as a positive example of anything.

He was doing the bare minimum. What is there to award?

In fact, I don't believe any man should be given such an honour unless being a women rights activist is their primary occupation.

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Imagine using Heechul (or any Super Junior member) as a positive example of anything.

You can snicker about it all you want, yet it's an incident that did actually happen and it proves that idols can very much call out their fans for abusive behaviour, without it harming their careers and popularity

I understand that they aren't choosing woman because it's about "Male Role Models" and I want to point out that Army's actions aren't a reason to make him illegible of being on that list.

But I don't think he should be on this list due to learning about woman and feminism. That should be the norm to understand a social movement that's happening around the world.

If you are a male Korean celebrity and are on the Male Role Model list I expect at least to be critical of the misogyny that happens on your country. There are some horrible stories coming from the country like the telegram where they were posting AI images from female idols and female family members.

I'm not saying someone to fight for the cause, but at least be critical of the injustices.

But then, it's not RM's fault of being on this list and he shouldn't do what I've said or be the kind of guy I described, it's just that I don't think he deserves to be on the list due to what they've written.

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I understand that they aren't choosing woman because it's about "Male Role Models" and I want to point out that Army's actions aren't a reason to make him illegible of being on that list.

But I don't think he should be on this list due to learning about woman and feminism. That should be the norm to understand a social movement that's happening around the world.

If you are a male Korean celebrity and are on the Male Role Model list I expect at least to be critical of the misogyny that happens on your country. There are some horrible stories coming from the country like the telegram where they were posting AI images from female idols and female family members.

I'm not saying someone to fight for the cause, but at least be critical of the injustices.

But then, it's not RM's fault of being on this list and he shouldn't do what I've said or be the kind of guy I described, it's just that I don't think he deserves to be on the list due to what they've written.

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Indeed...it's like calling someone a model driver because they took a defensive driving course after getting a 4 point speeding ticket.

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But then, it's not RM's fault of being on this list and he shouldn't do what I've said or be the kind of guy I described, it's just that I don't think he deserves to be on the list due to what they've written.

Accepting undeserved compliments, makes it an insult to the deserving.

RM could simply respond, 'Thank you, but I don't think I have done enough to earn this, I will try to do better in the future"

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RM is on this list because he worked for it

Very closed minded of you.

He was a kid doing what he thought was hip hop writing lyrics akin to the songs he was listening to, raised in a society that is geared towards misogyny.

He got criticism for his lyrics and instead of simply ignoring it, realised that his perspectives needed to change.

He admitted his wrong, and has since made several action to unlearned everything that was indoctrinated in him, to read and promote books that depict the sufferings and unfairness towards women to his fans, to go see and chat with a female professor on gender studies to check his lyrics.

This seriousness of his in trying to change and become a better man is the reason why Hybe labels have gender sensitivity classes.

All the list shows are examples of people who give a positive impact.

SO why can't he be a prime example of how men (if they make the effort) CAN grow more sensitive to the unfairness that women face in society despite what they grew up believing and consuming?

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Bc he doesn't bring awareness about this issue? Has he ever talked about the misogyny environment women go through? Has he ever used his platforms to share important infos, helping and being a voice to women?

What he did is to "learn" to be a decent person, but in which way he shared his learning and helped women? In not writing problematics lyrics anymore?

What did he do to deserve this? He learned that women are people with rights too?