Since when Rosé was a nugu before APT?

agreed, I was going to make a thread similar to yours, because so tired of these people discrediting Rose

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Right? Her numbers were insane for a kpop soloist and even group tbh and even some ww charts peaks she was right after Psy with Gangnam Style like... She always did great.

The fact that she broke some records and no other female soloist have broken them speaks a lot. And her streams are totally good, views too. People just love to downplay her to make it seem like bruno carried the song

I think you pretty much nailed it on the head in the other thread. This song would still exist without Bruno Mars and it would still be a catchy hit song even if it was just Rose.

Obviously having Bruno on the track gives it a boost no matter what, but it's impossible to say how much. I still think that the song would've reached top 5 spotify global and be performing the same or similarly in SK even without Bruno. I mean people are acting as if the pinks haven't already had huge solo success before this lol.

Within the BP 4, Rose relatively was the less influential. That is the perception and there are many ranks and ratings over the years where the top 11 positions will be occupied by BTS 7 + BP 4, and Rose will mostly be > 7

All BP songs, solos do well, but they were largely driven by the huge fandom of BLINKS.

APT has definitely succeeded beyond the fandom and is true viral hit.

A combination of that, a viral hit coming from the less influential member of the BP, causes people to be surprised.

A viral hit from Jennie or Jisoo might be taken more in stride, but Rose was unexpected.

But that is the best part, isn't it. To take people by surprise and succeed fantastically, rather than be expected to succeed and do so.

she wasn't nugu, but it's pretty clear that Bruno is the reason APT topped the charts. Not saying APT wouldn't have done good, but let's not be delulu. OTG did hit 70, but it fell off the charts after 1 week.

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Actually music wise Jisoo is the one people would be surprised, not Rosé. Flower was huge and even blinks didn't believe how huge it became in Asia and SK, her streams are on pair with the others pinks already.

Rosé was always the most anticipated and while it's amazing seeing how yeah, Apt is bigger than kpop, it's not that surprising knowing it's from Rosé and her brilliant mind!

Jisoo is extremely popular in S.Korea, while Jennie internationally and Lisa in SEA.

It was only Rose who was kind of in-between, generally popular but not super popular in any market compared to mates.

Also she was a vocalist in the group not focused on vocals.

While OTG did well (all BP songs will do well, given the fandom), she was caught between IU and the Rollin craze. Not a good situation.

So I am very glad she blew up viral in all markets and yes beyond Kpop too.

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she wasn't nugu, but it's pretty clear that Bruno is the reason APT topped the charts. Not saying APT wouldn't have done good, but let's not be delulu. OTG did hit 70, but it fell off the charts after 1 week.

Bruno has released another song this year but it still didn’t go #1 y’all are overestimating his popularity in Korea he is no Justin Bieber or Charlie Puth

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Jisoo is extremely popular in S.Korea, while Jennie internationally and Lisa in SEA.

It was only Rose who was kind of in-between, generally popular but not super popular in any market compared to mates.

Also she was a vocalist in the group not focused on vocals.

While OTG did well (all BP songs will do well, given the fandom), she was caught between IU and the Rollin craze. Not a good situation.

So I am very glad she blew up viral in all markets and yes beyond Kpop too.

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She charted on title and one b-side in the top 10 idk where this narrative comes from. I know most of the the time main vocalist are overlooked but she doesn’t go viral like Jennie or Jisoo because she isn’t a visual but she is actually popular in Korea.

But those records didnt have longevity, that happens too with a others bp songs

It more clear when jisoo debut, bc flower reach 500k streams in Spotify faster than a rosé solo before ATP when Jennie solo actually when over it being wayyy older

On twitter I saw a lot of people downgrading the impact of Rosé of the song while it is her idea, about her favourite drinking game!!!

I keep ignoring these haters, btw some of them think she didn't write the lyrics because they saw "Park Chae Young" on the credits.

And anyway, her previous did great and set some records on a domestic and international level.

Gloire à Rosé!

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No no, Rosé was the most anticipated in SK after Jennie, always. And as I said her fandom was always super loyal and big, I think people had this wrong perception exactly bc YGE never gave them a real solo career so in 2021 her solo did good, but Money went viral so it kinda "overshadowed " her success which shouldn't tbh, it was still great and 2023 Jisoo exploded with Flower with Solo being such an impactful song so people did though she flopped, but she didn't.

And yeah, I'm loving her promo rollout too. I'm sure her album will have even more amazing songs and she'll get opportunities to be even bigger. It's a blessing for me. I stan BP and the pinks 90% bc of their music so finally seeing they releasing music it's just magic!

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She charted on title and one b-side in the top 10 idk where this narrative comes from. I know most of the the time main vocalist are overlooked but she doesn’t go viral like Jennie or Jisoo because she isn’t a visual but she actually popular in Korea.

Fine, I am not going to fight over this.

I don't follow BP much, don't dig their concept or music and generally disappointed with the thin discography, too much focus on style over substance, visuals over vocals - hyper-stylized jingles. So I ignored them

But with APT, it is a song of substance, good vocals and very well executed. So whatever Rose was in the past, I am very glad that this song is a viral hit beyond fandom both internationally and with Korean GP.

Let the haters talk. I need salt for my steak.

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Bruno has released another song this year but it still didn’t go #1 y’all are overestimating his popularity in Korea he is no Justin Bieber or Charlie Puth

She charted on title and one b-side in the top 10 idk where this narrative comes from. I know most of the the time main vocalist are overlooked but she doesn’t go viral like Jennie or Jisoo because she isn’t a visual but she actually popular in Korea.

I'm not talking about domestic charting...and he is uber popular in Korea. His two Olympic Stadium concerts he held in June sold out in 40 minutes.

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I'm not talking about domestic charting...and he is uber popular in Korea. His two Olympic Stadium concerts he held in June sold out in 40 minutes.

Even Taylor swift could sell out a stadium in Korea so…

LOL bruno mars is not the reason the song is a hit, it's just really good and would still be doing good without him. Yeah him being featured gave it a boost, but Rose already has a big fandom along with blinks, she doesn't need features to help her chart.

how is OTG and gone doing now?

are her songs re-entering any charts?

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I know what tweet you are talking about

Gloire à Rosé

I thought that tweet wasn't that popular

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LOL bruno mars is not the reason the song is a hit, it's just really good and would still be doing good without him. Yeah him being featured gave it a boost, but Rose already has a big fandom along with blinks, she doesn't need features to help her chart.

you really think apt would debut top 10 in Hot 100 and top the global spotify and apple music charts if it was just Rose instead of Rose and Bruno Mars?

In korea this is all her thats for sure

In WW, she would have still done well. The song reception is really good and blinks are a huge fandom, based on Jennie and Lisa results I would say she would have debuted with 5.5 M+ , then gone up as the weeks went by as the song was well received. Will it have reached the heights it did without bruno? We may not know but him being there assisted in the US/UK region we cant deny but debuting that high is all Rose and blinks

Also the possibility to even feature Bruno Mars and produce a hit is a feat on its own. Shows how amazing Rose is.

yes finally I can stay that one of my favs is a nugu

after all these years of only supporting "successful" artists

Hmmm yeah

they be acting like rose is twice member...

Idk why she is deemed a "nugu" when she held for 3 years the record of highest charting kpop female solo in BBH100 at #70 and take note that she charted even without the count of her physicals. She was only the kpop female solo to top both BB200 at #1. She has the highest weekly US streams for 3 years at 2M which other bp solos did not reach that time. OTG was twice the best selling digital song in China at 1.8M. OTG was at #3 and Gone peaked at #5 in Kcharts despite being English songs. She also got #1 in Itunes US, Worldwide Digital Song, United World Chart with OTG in the list for two weeks.

Her streams are stable af despite not being Tiktok friendly which the other bp songs were like Flower and Money. Her YT views are stable too.

Her album sales are now almost 1M with 1 version only unlike the other bp solo albums with 2 versions.

I really believe the reason why Rosé is being underestimated even with all her achievements is because of the mindset that Jennie and Lisa are the most popular so their achievements were overestimated while Jisoo is the underdog so blinks have to overcompensate. But if you come to think of it, Rosé held records that even the other girls did not reach.

Flower was big but not enough to reach BBH100.

OTG and Lalisa first day streams were so close with OTG topping it even Money which only got viral due to Squid Game and Tiktok (gp driven). Lalisa was below OTG in BBH100 and BB200.

Solo was big in SK. But Solo and OTG were from different chart systems with OTG and Gone charting high in the chart reform considered as the hardest to enter. You & Me also got viral in Tiktok. OOTG with Abel did not even enter BBH100 at first but also got viral.

And saying that OTG fell off BBH100 the 2nd week is also the same as with other bp solo songs falling off the 2nd week. But the record that she held will always be charting at #70 the highest charting Kpop solo female act.

So I really don't understand how Rosé is a "flop"or even a "nugu" when the achievements of the girls are close enough. And she even topped some if not most of them. She is big in SK second to Jennie or arguably bigger than her if not only because of IU and Rollin blocking her in charts. She is the biggest in China with OTG winning best selling digital song TWICE. And has better numbers than Jennie and Lisa in the West especially in the US.