when you realise that BTS climbed from the bottom of the HOT 100 charts, made it to the top, and kept getting repeated #1 hits, you understand why they scared the entire music industry

They gained a big fan base and popularity throughout the years but it wasn't really until 7-8 years later that they achieved global recognition.

A Touring Powerhouse. A fan can buy an album. A fan can purchase digital music but the real test is getting these fans to make the journey, buy an expensive concert ticket and be able to get enough of them to sell out a stadium and sell out a tour

“In March 2022, the most expensive BTS tickets sold on StubHub were standing tickets for the first and third shows of the tour, costing $31,565 each. This price included taxes and fees.”

There aren’t a lot of acts that can do it.

Imagine what they can do if all members are fluent in english because no matter what people say, until today the language barrier is stopping them to achieve more.

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They never scared the US music industry They're a niche act, but they're a niche act with a crazed support base, which is standard for K-pop acts but that's not a threat. Swift, Rodrigo, Drake, etc are not running scared of BTS releases.

Their fraudulence is in the "paving the way" narrative that people like to ascribe to them and Blackpink. They did no such thing.

Frankly it is the ARMY which scares people.

And now, HYBE's dirty tricks department, which of course would have existed since the start when it was Bighit.

Between such an agency and such a fandom, JK's "Artists aren't guilty" sounds very different.

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ON THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 :

Their first TOP 10 hit was in 2018 with FAKE LOVE

Their first TOP 8 hit was in 2019 WITH BOY WITH LUV ft. HALSEY

Their first TOP 4 hit was early 2020 with ON

Their first NO. 1 was late 2020 with DYNAMITE (their first english single)

their second NO. 1 was SAVAGE LOVE (Laxed – Siren Beat) with Jawsh 685 & Jason Derulo

their third NO. 1 was even later in 2020 with LIFE GOES ON (first korean song to hit number 1)

They got so popular they were able to stay #1 for seven weeks with BUTTER and then REPLACE themselves at number 1 with PTD

So tell me, where is the "fraudulence" people like to associate them with?

Because only a natural organic ™ growth allows you to see such solid results

This aint a case of one day stay virality

or #80 to #1 when the check hits and back to #80??

This is a case of growing popularity and a SOLID fanbase

and I cant believe that that's a concept so difficult to understand in big 2024 but that's another topic for another day

What scared the music industry, be it the kpop industry or the US music industry was that they were here to stay and continuously growing in popularity.

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I wonder what brought this up but yes. Their numbers and relevancy match across all platforms

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They never scared the US music industry They're a niche act, but they're a niche act with a crazed support base, which is standard for K-pop acts but that's not a threat. Swift, Rodrigo, Drake, etc are not running scared of BTS releases.

Their fraudulence is in the "paving the way" narrative that people like to ascribe to them and Blackpink. They did no such thing.

Did I get teleported to 2017???

We are in 2024. Wake up

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They never scared the US music industry They're a niche act, but they're a niche act with a crazed support base, which is standard for K-pop acts but that's not a threat. Swift, Rodrigo, Drake, etc are not running scared of BTS releases.

Their fraudulence is in the "paving the way" narrative that people like to ascribe to them and Blackpink. They did no such thing.

You know that "Kpop categories" that the Kpop industry look forward to in the west? That was created because BTS was becoming massive that it was too hard to ignore. But instead of allowing them to compete head-on, they boxed them in and created that "kpop category" that current kpop groups look forward tor nomination.

You know those albums that are well stocked and you can buy at Target and Walmart stores, including online distributors like Amazon? It was the BTS armys who started the campaign and convinced these stores to stock up on BTS albums. With its success, they have continued to do it to include other kpop groups.

Remember the most maligned BBMA Social Artist that BTS won? Ohhhh, they were maligned, insulted and laughed at. Guess what? Kpop fandoms started twitter engagements in order to qualify for a nomination the following year. Ahhh! The sour smell of hypocrisy. Many Kpop groups even started their own twitter account right after BTS won.

Kpoppies were looking down on BTS and Army for being chart conscious. Western collabs? Western validation they say? I say, fuck them all. That's exactly what they are all doing right now and no one cries "western validation" anymore.

Don't fucking start with me regarding English releases. Truth be told, English songs have been done by other groups as well, even before BTS, but they are the only once criticized. Tell me. Why is that? Because these 3 FULL ENGLISH songs catapulted them to kingdom come. Now, releasing English songs is non event. Funny how kpoppies perception changes when it comes to their faves.

Let's not forget the Grammy submissions? After BTS got their first major nominations, kpop groups started submitting their music for grammy consideration. Can you blame them? If BTS got a grammy nod, what's to say they wouldn't get one too?

So yes, the KPOP industry closely monitors what BTS do. Why?

Because BTS PAVED THE WAY.

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Frankly it is the ARMY which scares people.

And now, HYBE's dirty tricks department, which of course would have existed since the start when it was Bighit.

Between such an agency and such a fandom, JK's "Artists aren't guilty" sounds very different.

Lmao. Then I hope you unstanned every kpop idol. With your thinking every idol should be blamed for their fans or/and company so every idol should be cancelled as all fandoms and companies are toxic.

And I have to note that Bighit did not had the money for the payola you all think was there. Bts earned that money, lol.

Are we back with the Bts fake fame talks? Speaking about rewriting history.

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They saw BTS, noticed how obsessive K-pop fans were, and decided to give pity nominations in order to create a separate category to farm impressions.

While Armys were fighting off BTS being boxed in, Kpoppies will take anything. That's a proven fact!

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They never scared the US music industry They're a niche act, but they're a niche act with a crazed support base, which is standard for K-pop acts but that's not a threat. Swift, Rodrigo, Drake, etc are not running scared of BTS releases.

Their fraudulence is in the "paving the way" narrative that people like to ascribe to them and Blackpink. They did no such thing.

I'm confused because swifties have the same criticism. "Crazy obbsessive fandom" for example. Beyoncé got criticised for being a niche act too. Drake's name was trashed many times too. Rodrigo is the nth disney-famous star (of course not but according to media she got instantly famous because of that). Seems like it makes their fame more legit than fake. It's the tipical talk when there is a big fandom bothering people who don't like a certain act.

On another note, most fandoms have crazy and obsessive fans. It does not do a lot for the idol/artist without the number of fans being big.

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Those crazy obsessive fans are primarily Americans, and they outnumber BTS's American crazy obsessive fans, which ia what makes the difference

So Taylor Swift only has american fans and no international fans? Or are international fans not worthy of being fans? Are they not going to concerts? Not buying music? I wonder how much popularity Taylor Swift would lose if we only count her american fans? She has a lot but she does not only have those? Do american artist not chart in other contries? Or we should not count that and not give prizes to them when they do chart for example in Korea? Because the number might be smaller than some domestic artists? If they chart under Blackpink or Aespa are they not famous anymore? Is that not mention worthy?

And from where are you pulling the numbers? Bts obviously chart enough to do stadium tours? And get love calls to talk shows? They have their music played on sport events? Jin was asked to bear the olimpic thorch? Were all the fans there korean? Or were they french? Were they bots? Oh, I know! Human-like robots!

And if it's so easy to chart anywhere then anyone could do it, no? All the Hybe payola groups? All SM groups? Any YG groups? Jyp? Everyone could do it anytime? No? But others have big buckets too?

legends

legends behavior

step by step success

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So tell me, where is the "fraudulence" people like to associate them with?

2024 and people still call their first bbmas a paper award disregarding what it actually meant at the moment even after time, the ultimate truth teller, showed that armys were right all along... some people just like to stay delusional

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This is a lot of cope. Your very first sentence suggests something that isn't even implied in what I said 🙂‍↔️

Fact of the matter is is that for an AMERICAN award show, they will primarily reward those that do very well in America, not in South Korea or Japan. And they may do some egagement bait to get some fans of outside groups to engage in their work from time to time. That's how it is. There are Grammy snubs that can do stadium tours in the US without issue, so BTS doing stadium tours doesn't mean anything for them.

As I have said, numbers please. I can't take you serious without it. You have an opinion, great. That's not doing anything to the market. I need facts.

Im not an Army but to suggest they're not one of the biggest music acts in the world is weird, they clearly are. They also helped kpop become more mainstream to suggest they didn't is also not true. They sold out Wembley that is beyond impressive, I went to that show it was phenomenal.

That being said OP your signature is exactly why kpop fans have grown to dislike the boys and the fanbase. You can praise BTS and not put down other groups which is why people hate the paved the way stuff its mainly used as a counter to other groups.

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Lmao. Then I hope you unstanned every kpop idol. With your thinking every idol should be blamed for their fans or/and company so every idol should be cancelled as all fandoms and companies are toxic.

And I have to note that Bighit did not had the money for the payola you all think was there. Bts earned that money, lol.

Lol, then I know you didn't attend every class in school.

Bcoz I end up quoting JK's Artists aren't guilty and you think I am blaming the idols.

Work on your comprehension, than using unnecessary Lols/lmaos.

As to money, dirty tricks come in variety, not all need big money.

If you still think BSH, Bighit started dirty tricks only recently, I have some investments for you, please trust me bro and send your account numbers etc

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Lol, then I know you didn't attend every class in school.

Bcoz I end up quoting JK's Artists aren't guilty and you think I am blaming the idols.

Work on your comprehension, than using unnecessary Lols/lmaos.

As to money, dirty tricks come in variety, not all need big money.

If you still think BSH, Bighit started dirty tricks only recently, I have some investments for you, please trust me bro and send your account numbers etc

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the industry is rooted but why disregard their whole career based on some recent scandal

no one does that to artists that achieved massive success in big companies, people only talk about how they took the world by the storm

that seems personal and biased

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They saw BTS, noticed how obsessive K-pop fans were, and decided to give pity nominations in order to create a separate category to farm impressions.

You are very ignorant and you still spew lies as truth.

BBMAs and AMAs literally still nominate BTS in regular categories because they still qualify for that. Apart from VMAs with their shitty criteria, I’ll rather believe these shows created those kpop categories to give non BTS group pity nominations so they can farm kpop engagements. That’s your fave’s shade, not BTS

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Lol, then I know you didn't attend every class in school.

Bcoz I end up quoting JK's Artists aren't guilty and you think I am blaming the idols.

Work on your comprehension, than using unnecessary Lols/lmaos.

As to money, dirty tricks come in variety, not all need big money.

If you still think BSH, Bighit started dirty tricks only recently, I have some investments for you, please trust me bro and send your account numbers etc

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My friend! The one who begins with "you didn't attend every class in school" is the one who can't argue with facts, only with getting personal. It's a tactical approach to an argument that you go for emotions when you can't go for anything else fairly. Please stick by the topic!

But if you wanted to write something else than what you have actually written then you should reword your sentences.

I quote it from you:

"Between such an agency and such a fandom, JK's "Artists aren't guilty" sounds very different."

Which comes off as a shade against Jungkook and as saying that idols are in fact not innocent.

If you intended to write something else then you should try to rephrase it!

And if you think there are dirty tricks then prove it!

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My friend! The one who begins with "you didn't attend every class in school" is the one who can't argue with facts, only with getting personal. It's a tactical approach to an argument that you go for emotions when you can't go for anything else fairly. Please stick by the topic!

But if you wanted to write something else than what you have actually written then you should reword your sentences.

I quote it from you:

"Between such an agency and such a fandom, JK's "Artists aren't guilty" sounds very different."

Which comes off as a shade against Jungkook and as saying that idols are in fact not innocent.

If you intended to write something else then you should try to rephrase it!

And if you think there are dirty tricks then prove it!

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I respond to the tone and substance as I judge it.

That you feel it personal is not my problem.

That you read it as shade, I put it to the typical behaviour of ARMY.

As to proving "dirty tricks", sure send me a retainer, my rate is 500$ per hour.

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the industry is rooted but why disregard their whole career based on some recent scandal

no one does that to artists that achieved massive success in big companies, people only talk about how they took the world by the storm

that seems personal and biased

So you think success excuses everything?

That's interesting.

Secondly, when the comment explicitly compartmentalizes - agency, fandoms & artists,

Are you hiding the agency or the fandom, behind the success of the artist?

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So you think success excuses everything?

That's interesting.

Secondly, when the comment explicitly compartmentalizes - agency, fandoms & artists,

Are you hiding the agency or the fandom, behind the success of the artist?

Is BTS the most famous artists in the world or not?

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Is BTS the most famous artists in the world or not?

I don't know the latest stats.

But I recollect in 2020-21 they were the most famous in the world.

Quote from bbgc

So you think success excuses everything?

That's interesting.

Secondly, when the comment explicitly compartmentalizes - agency, fandoms & artists,

Are you hiding the agency or the fandom, behind the success of the artist?

No, but why this discussion only applies to BTS? I won't namedrop anyone but there are groups that have achieved massive success whose companies got caught in scandals but people don't go around saying that their success is based on cheating bc company done "x".

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No, but why this discussion only applies to BTS? I won't namedrop anyone but there are groups that have achieved massive success whose companies got caught in scandals but people don't go around saying that their success is based on cheating bc company done "x".

I was responding to a comment that BTS scares Western music,

That's all.

As to dirty tricks, everybody decently aware of Kpop knows that Lee Soo Man and YG are masters of that. So not just Bighit.

Quote from fortuna

ON THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 :

Their first TOP 10 hit was in 2018 with FAKE LOVE

Their first TOP 8 hit was in 2019 WITH BOY WITH LUV ft. HALSEY

Their first TOP 4 hit was early 2020 with ON

Their first NO. 1 was late 2020 with DYNAMITE (their first english single)

their second NO. 1 was SAVAGE LOVE (Laxed – Siren Beat) with Jawsh 685 & Jason Derulo

their third NO. 1 was even later in 2020 with LIFE GOES ON (first korean song to hit number 1)

They got so popular they were able to stay #1 for seven weeks with BUTTER and then REPLACE themselves at number 1 with PTD

So tell me, where is the "fraudulence" people like to associate them with?

Because only a natural organic ™ growth allows you to see such solid results

This aint a case of one day stay virality

or #80 to #1 when the check hits and back to #80??

This is a case of growing popularity and a SOLID fanbase

and I cant believe that that's a concept so difficult to understand in big 2024 but that's another topic for another day

What scared the music industry, be it the kpop industry or the US music industry was that they were here to stay and continuously growing in popularity.

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They did

The entire world, with the exception of one person, was shocked

However the Koreans supported the one person who was not impressed by BTS' success..

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A Touring Powerhouse. A fan can buy an album. A fan can purchase digital music but the real test is getting these fans to make the journey, buy an expensive concert ticket and be able to get enough of them to sell out a stadium and sell out a tour

“In March 2022, the most expensive BTS tickets sold on StubHub were standing tickets for the first and third shows of the tour, costing $31,565 each. This price included taxes and fees.”

There aren’t a lot of acts that can do it.

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A touring house who did not tour

A domesticist, IU, enters London before BTS post covid

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Is BTS the most famous artists in the world or not?

In 2021 it was

It beat the runner up, The Weeknd, by a margin of 2:1

Everyone else was so scared that they hid themselves, and IU, a domestic singer, rose to the #9 most awarded singer of the world because everyone else had chosen to hide,

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The Nine People who won the Most Awards in 2021 - 2 of them are from Korea, although 1 of them is not exactly KPop

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG…bkQ?format=jpg&name=small



The following nine people dominated world pop for 2021

BTS (Hybe) 164 Awards
The Weeknd (XO Labels) 82 Awards
Ed Sheeran (Gingerbread Man Records) 76 Awards
Taylor Swift (Republic Records) 63 Awards
Olivia Rodrigo (Interscope / Geffen) 59 Awards
Justin Bieber (ultimately Hybe) 58 Awards
Dua Lipa (Warner) 55 Awards
Megan Thee Stallion (in dispute) 48 Awards, most of them earned thru a collaboration with BTS
IU (Edam) 46 Awards, all of them won in…

WhyKnock

Dec 16th 2021

(The original tweet has been deleted but I have saved a copy of that.)

1 BTS

2 The Weeknd

3 Ed Sheeran

4 Taylor Swift

5 Olivia Rodrigo

6 Justin Bieber, Hybe at that time

7 Dua Ripa

8 Meghan Thee Stallion, there only because she participated in 'Butter'

9

IU, a domestic singer in Korea

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I don't know the latest stats.

But I recollect in 2020-21 they were the most famous in the world.

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Has any Musical Act reached a higher position than BTS in the history of world?

youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw

At that time We are the World was released in 1985, the following major musicians were involved.

• Lionel Richie

• Stevie Wonder

• Paul Simon

• Kenny Rogers

• James Ingram

• Tina Turner

• Billy Joel

• Michael Jackson

• Diana Ross

• Dionne Warwick

• Willie Nelson

• Al Jarreau

• Bruce Springsteen

• Kenny Loggins

• Steve Perry

• Daryl Hall

• Huey Lewis

• Cyndi Lauper

• Kim Carnes

• Bob Dylan

• Ray Charles

21 people.

While some…

WhyKnock

Apr 3rd 2022

In Apr 2022 yes

Only people like Mariah Carey, who is now only relevant around the Holiday season, and IU, who saw BTS coming from nowhere when she was already Korean Pop's biggest star (arguably), had no respect on it.

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As to dirty tricks, everybody decently aware of Kpop knows that Lee Soo Man and YG are masters of that. So not just Bighit.

I would extend this to every damn executive, CEOs aren't nice people. The fact that you didn't even mention JYP that gets a pass bc he has a nice celebrity person is my villain origin story lol

Anyway that's my point, in all this HYBE mess so many people are like "it's difficult to separate the artist from the company bc artists success=company success" when people have done that for AGES in kpop. I know I'm being off topic but the rant just happened, sorry lol

Lol the US makes up like 50% of the global industry

I can assure you, they're not scared of a bunch of fans mass buying their faves songs

Damn, Hybe's fuckery really makes some people extra bold talking down BTS' achievements.

Hate the company, hate the fans all you want but let your conspiracies down in the cave or in the trash instead of what's been spewed those past weeks on this forum.

BTS is the biggest group in the world and what holds them back apart from that company mostly is xenophobia from the music industry and people and misogyny via the fangirls trope.

If we take Taylor Swift as an example, while the fangirl/fandom trope does have an impact, she doesn't suffer from xenophobia and no matter her fandom's reputation, she will get tons of radioplay and awards in non invented for her categories.