Did LE SSERAFIM's scandals really impact them/ their charting?

illit next please

I don't think Crazy and 1800 hot and fun go well with korean gp. Pierrot would make more noise if it was promoted since the begining imo.

ur feeding into the streotype

if the song was good it would have charted regardless

#1 in Seoul on Spoti?

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kcharts are irrelevant wake up sheeple.

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What’s the stereotype? I’m genuinely surprised they’re charting this low considering they were on top not so long ago the only difference now is all the scandals they’ve been involved in. I don’t think it’s the song cause Crazy isn’t a bad song imo I think a top 15 at least

cause its always mys talking bad abt lesserafim

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Maybe ive noticed LSF also have majority male fans in Korea so maybe that has something to do with recent charting I think they buy more albums but worry less about digitals

They came back too soon after everything that happened and with a type of song that usually doesn't do veeeery good, Easy was already a drop for them after Perfect Night. The whole situation itself might explain it but the major reason is very simple tbh, most people there didn't like the song.

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Looks like I’m in the minority that finds Crazy an ok song it seems like people just didn’t take to it

Oh no, I like Crazy a lot, have been listening to it everyday just less than Pierrot. I guess they are still doing good on Spotify.

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Yes, the Coachella and encore scandal hurt their domestic charting significantly. Anyone who claims it's the MHJ/HYBE drama is lying and coping, or ILLIT would've been affected by it in some way.

Easy and Smart weren't national hits, but they were still top 10-15ish songs and had stability

They plummeted out of the Daily Top 100 after the Coachella scandal, which hurt LSF's domestic popularity and reputation in Korea.

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This is why I was very confused! I thought it couldn’t be HYBE drama because ILLIT is still doing well but then have ILLIT had a recent comeback I don’t follow them and I don’t recall seeing this to finalise this I think the singing scandals did a lot of damage more than people realise right now.

Not to drag twice into this but I think it’s very similar to the more and more scandals and some people report Twice digitals going down after that I think LSF is more drastic though? I guess we can find out next comeback if it’s just the type of songs or people supporting less because of the scandals

It's the scandals, not the songs.

Crazy is better than Unforgiven, which managed to even hit #1 for a very small window.

The Coachella Scandal was considered a national embarrassment and was covered by news stories on national broadcast channels. Korea is very sensitive to feeling their country was embarrassed on a global stage.

LSF have to work hard to recover their reputation there, and the time between Easy and Crazy wasn't nearly enough to do so. The documentary and internal company strife didn't help, but what really did the bulk of the damage was everything preceding it.

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#1 in Seoul on Spoti?

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kcharts are irrelevant wake up sheeple.

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Top 10 korea spotify should be erased and then maybe you would get more realistic ranking. It's rigged AF (by hybe mostly) and totally contradicts the korean charts. Pff.

The whole who album is ranking in the top ten while the tt is nowhere to be seen on the top 100 of kcharts.

Ridiculous .

Coachella was such a wrong choice for them. They were already having issues with encores and going to Coachella should be their glory days like "hey, look, we are great", but it turned out as a national embarrassment like it was bad and it was obvious this would be the result. Then they kinda said "fuck off" to whatever was complaining about their first week performance so knetz were probably pissed and their reputation took another hit.. then they released a doc full of cries and no improvement to now a too soon cb with almost no singing parts like, wow, Hybe is dumb asf.

I'm surprised how they could do so many wrong choices for a group that was reaching higher peaks every cb...

But I think they can still manage to chart good in SK next year after some months off, but they also need to improve their skills, they won't survive as a top group in SK if they get in encore scandals again.

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This is why I was very confused! I thought it couldn’t be HYBE drama because ILLIT is still doing well but then have ILLIT had a recent comeback I don’t follow them and I don’t recall seeing this to finalise this I think the singing scandals did a lot of damage more than people realise right now.

Not to drag twice into this but I think it’s very similar to the more and more scandals and some people report Twice digitals going down after that I think LSF is more drastic though? I guess we can find out next comeback if it’s just the type of songs or people supporting less because of the scandals

Honestly in a way its worse than the Twice issue. For Twice specific members were the target, mainly, momo for her mistakes despite being in her 5th year since debut and if memory serves it also coincided with a chatroom full of anti's doing everything to make the girls miserable from starting rumours to being the driving force behind multiple hate campaigns. ICSM had momo rapping and nahyo singing the bulk then with AF alot of the members were redeemed with the lives, it was just a little too little too late.

LSF was a national embarrassment reported on the news. They were already being dragged for encore vocals long before they were meant to do coachella, so k-netz were already concerned that they'd embarress Korea there, and people expected them to spend time preparing to prove people wrong. Week 1 didn't go well, their responses wasn't what k-netz expected then week 2 didn't go any better. Frankly JYP kept their mouth shut whilst Hybe and Source have been trying media play after media play which only made people more hard hearted towards LSF.

I swear Illit also got dragged for vocals, but it seems to have blown over for them.

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Top 10 korea spotify should be erased and then maybe you would get more realistic ranking. It's rigged AF (by hybe mostly) and totally contradicts the korean charts. Pff.

The whole who album is ranking in the top ten while the tt is nowhere to be seen on the top 100 of kcharts.

Ridiculous .

why are there tatiana burner accounts now?

I agree spoti is never a good example for HYBE groups but what about the YT charts? They are also number 4 in SK on there. I don't think the kcharts are completely irrelevant, they are still an indicator of popularity in SK, but even that they don't seem to do too well now. Like if 2 of the largest streaming platforms on the planet are contradicting the kcharts, I think that's something to be considered.

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Not one good answer so far

Yes, the Coachella and encore scandal hurt their domestic charting significantly. Anyone who claims it's the MHJ/HYBE drama is lying and coping, or ILLIT would've been affected by it in some way.

PN did drop when Coachella happened but as soon as MHJ did her conference PN/Easy were free falling so yes the Hybe drama had an impact

If you lurk around K-forums you'll know the reason. LSF fans in Korea are notoriously famous for being a fandom full of INCELS. The famous DC inside sub, GirlsPlanet999, go there and you will understand why. They are obsessed with insulting all other gen4 groups aside from LSF and Illit. I'm not talking about twitter level. The insults there are x10 worse than twitter. They even have campaigns everyday to gather fake infos about NJ IVE Aespa mainly and spread it everywhere in mass. Mexjeans/sniper- those 2 hate accounts attacking Nj/aespa every single day are from there. Everytime they spread mass hate comments outside, other fandoms just call them "fat and stinky uncles". They don't even need to rebuttal anything, just "fat and stinky uncles have you take a bath today?". The gender war in Korea is much more serious than inter fans think. That's why no other fandoms want to interact with lsf's fandom and the GP ignores them. Middleschool and Highschool kids making fun of LSF at school because of their K- incels fandom. The more inter fans get fake infos from them, the more Korean GP will get away from lsf.

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I agree I think it’s been a lot worse / drastic than the more and more scandal and it doesn’t help HYBE is on fire right now for all the wrong reasons

I didn’t know ILLIT were dragged for vocals or maybe I forgot I think they’re just overshadowed by all the HYBE drama overall. Even their achievements to me don’t feel as grand as they are because HYBE’s drama was always out trending

Honestly they've always been overshadowed by some drama or another. First it was with the programme the debuted under, then it was with the debut concept, I honestly don't know the name of a single member because Hybe hasn't even tried to market them properly.

They were dragged for their costumes alot more than their vocals so maybe you'll remember that. They did get dragged into the vocal convo, but that quickly descended into 'look no Hybe made group can sing apart from newjeans'. Then coachella happened and they were more of a footnote than the main story. I think a member got injured and Hybe started using her for sympathy (plus that video of one of them seeing mean comments which again got hybe dragged from one end of the internet to the other). So many issues but nothing big enough to get them recognisably, solo buzz or even attention for any member. Reminds me of pre-lawsuit 5050 without as big of a hit song which is wild considering how deep Hybes pockets are.

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I knew it was bad on twitter but this sounds way more worse Would it really impact their charting though isn’t all fandom guilty for being a bit much and arrogant from time to time and isn’t this just a small percentage of the general public

It's WAY, WAY WORSE. You should NOT see any post about Karina/aespa made by them there. It's filthy disgusting. And you ask why I know this? It's because while NJ haters outside Korea are Karens from Iowa, inside Korea it's them. They're super duper malicious. Reeks of loser energy.

Yes, they were impacted by the Coachella vocal scandal and the MHJ/HYBE controversy driven up the hate train further. LSF are now seen as the "evil sisters" to NJ, similar to the wicked stepsisters in the Cinderella story there.

As for charting, they’re in the top 3 on YouTube Music Korea, which is where most people are consuming music these days from South Korea, while Kcharts have lost their novelty and barely get talked about anymore. It’s all about global charts now, and they’re performing exceptionally well there. So the JOKE is on you now!!

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PN did drop when Coachella happened but as soon as MHJ did her conference PN/Easy were free falling so yes the Hybe drama had an impact

They were free falling before the drama. We even discussed and charted this out in the Digital Thread.

I don't think their charting would've been nearly as affected if not for the Coachella/Encore Stage issues.

korea ? yes, international ? nope.

btw They will tour around Korea by filling the campus music festival (which is rumored that all campuses in Korea reject them as performers) . I think they're trying to rebuild their image. good luck to them

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Well youtube charts is a weekly chart

It's only their second week here

And for a new song from a big company to lose already 3 spot after only their second week is not a good indicator of good longevity here

+ Youtube is a bit tricky cuz it also count fanmade video using the song even if it have anything to do with lesserafim or people doesn't really watch the video for the song

While kchart only rely on people streaming the song by choice

So it can be use as an indicator of a song success but i think it need to be interpretated with the kchart and not solo

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Yea I agree they should not be looked at alone since youtube + spoti are much more susceptible to fake views. I can't say which chart matters the most but I think it probably makes sense to at least consider other charts before announcing the downfall of a group.

Anyways I agree with the overall premise of the thread, LSF's perception was effected by coachella/scandals, but I would guess coachella the most.

BSH produces for LSF and he also chose the members. Hating LSF is equivalent to hating BSH too because LSF is perceived as BSH proxy. That's why the hate on LSF is sustained because MHJ problem has not been resolved. Once they kick out MHJ and put NJ on garden leave till the end of their contract, then the hate should subside.

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People are speculating way too much.

When you have a huge hit your subsequent release will perform in relation to that as well. For example savage got a PAK after Next Level but it wasn’t as good a good so didn’t have that impact and the releases after savage didn’t do as well as savage because they were not great either.

Similar thing with LSFM. Easy and Smart we’re not as well received as LSFM’s previous releases and Crazy is simply not a great song either so it plummeted a lot.

Literally no one cares about scandals other than fandoms. You can be a criminal and still chart not only in Korea but all around the world of your song is trendy enough because that’s how the world operates. Casual listeners don’t care about any scandals I doubt they even know LSFM went to Coachella

I think It's a combination of factors.

I don't think the grand general public care about it or what is a Coachella, but most K-pop groups in Korea are mostly listened by a bubble of young K-pop enjoyers that are fans of another groups. If the reputation of an act is tarnished among these people, their charting will be affected.

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People are speculating way too much.

When you have a huge hit your subsequent release will perform in relation to that as well. For example savage got a PAK after Next Level but it wasn’t as good a good so didn’t have that impact and the releases after savage didn’t do as well as savage because they were not great either.

Similar thing with LSFM. Easy and Smart we’re not as well received as LSFM’s previous releases and Crazy is simply not a great song either so it plummeted a lot.

Literally no one cares about scandals other than fandoms. You can be a criminal and still chart not only in Korea but all around the world of your song is trendy enough because that’s how the world operates. Casual listeners don’t care about any scandals I doubt they even know LSFM went to Coachella

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Can you be serious. Crazy debuted at the bottom no one no one was tuning in yes some groups have bad songs but they can manage to chart in the top 10. Crazy isn’t not even top 30. Unforgiven was badly received and still peaked at 2.

Good songs ≠ good charting. LSRF isn’t relevant in Korea anymore.

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People are speculating way too much.

When you have a huge hit your subsequent release will perform in relation to that as well. For example savage got a PAK after Next Level but it wasn’t as good a good so didn’t have that impact and the releases after savage didn’t do as well as savage because they were not great either.

Similar thing with LSFM. Easy and Smart we’re not as well received as LSFM’s previous releases and Crazy is simply not a great song either so it plummeted a lot.

Literally no one cares about scandals other than fandoms. You can be a criminal and still chart not only in Korea but all around the world of your song is trendy enough because that’s how the world operates. Casual listeners don’t care about any scandals I doubt they even know LSFM went to Coachella

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This is incorrect.

The Company Drama? It's correct that only fans care about that now. At least to the point of following every plot twist

The Coachella incident was very much NOT just K-Pop fans. That made national headlines and news, and it was considered a national embarrassment. Unless you think the general public doesn't watch the news, people knew all about it.