Did LE SSERAFIM's scandals really impact them/ their charting?

    I can’t believe they’re charting this badly with how well Perfect Night performed and Crazy isn’t a bad song imo :!: I don’t remember how Easy performed but I’m certain it peaked higher and had better longevity :?: Is the HYBE drama really impacting them too? They’re charting really low/

    falling and chart accounts have stopped updating a few days ago :huuh:


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    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    Maybe :?: ive noticed LSF also have majority male fans in Korea so maybe that has something to do with recent charting :melon_think: I think they buy more albums but worry less about digitals :huuh:

    They came back too soon after everything that happened and with a type of song that usually doesn't do veeeery good, Easy was already a drop for them after Perfect Night. The whole situation itself might explain it but the major reason is very simple tbh, most people there didn't like the song.

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    cause its always mys talking bad abt lesserafim

    That’s on twitter :?: There’s no drama here with us I don’t think :oops: I’m more curious what happened? Would be the same if it was Gidle, Nj, Ive or aespa as I consider them top 5 in 4th gen. The other 4 are still charting relatively well despite their release dates so I’m curious it the scandals LSF were in has been more damaging than I realised :!:

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    They came back too soon after everything that happened and with a type of song that usually doesn't do veeeery good, Easy was already a drop for them after Perfect Night. The whole situation itself might explain it but the major reason is very simple tbh, most people there didn't like the song.

    Looks like I’m in the minority that finds Crazy an ok song :huuh: it seems like people just didn’t take to it

    Not one good answer so far


    Yes, the Coachella and encore scandal hurt their domestic charting significantly. Anyone who claims it's the MHJ/HYBE drama is lying and coping, or ILLIT would've been affected by it in some way.


    Easy and Smart weren't national hits, but they were still top 10-15ish songs and had stability


    They plummeted out of the Daily Top 100 after the Coachella scandal, which hurt LSF's domestic popularity and reputation in Korea.

    This is why I was very confused! I thought it couldn’t be HYBE drama because ILLIT is still doing well but then have ILLIT had a recent comeback :?: I don’t follow them and I don’t recall seeing this to finalise this :melon_think: I think the singing scandals did a lot of damage more than people realise right now.


    Not to drag twice into this but I think it’s very similar to the more and more scandals and some people report Twice digitals going down after that :oops: I think LSF is more drastic though? I guess we can find out next comeback if it’s just the type of songs or people supporting less because of the scandals

    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    This is why I was very confused! I thought it couldn’t be HYBE drama because ILLIT is still doing well but then have ILLIT had a recent comeback :?: I don’t follow them and I don’t recall seeing this to finalise this :melon_think: I think the singing scandals did a lot of damage more than people realise right now.


    Not to drag twice into this but I think it’s very similar to the more and more scandals and some people report Twice digitals going down after that :oops: I think LSF is more drastic though? I guess we can find out next comeback if it’s just the type of songs or people supporting less because of the scandals

    It's the scandals, not the songs.


    Crazy is better than Unforgiven, which managed to even hit #1 for a very small window.


    The Coachella Scandal was considered a national embarrassment and was covered by news stories on national broadcast channels. Korea is very sensitive to feeling their country was embarrassed on a global stage.


    LSF have to work hard to recover their reputation there, and the time between Easy and Crazy wasn't nearly enough to do so. The documentary and internal company strife didn't help, but what really did the bulk of the damage was everything preceding it.

    Coachella was such a wrong choice for them. They were already having issues with encores and going to Coachella should be their glory days like "hey, look, we are great", but it turned out as a national embarrassment like it was bad and it was obvious this would be the result. Then they kinda said "fuck off" to whatever was complaining about their first week performance so knetz were probably pissed and their reputation took another hit.. then they released a doc full of cries and no improvement to now a too soon cb with almost no singing parts like, wow, Hybe is dumb asf.

    I'm surprised how they could do so many wrong choices for a group that was reaching higher peaks every cb...

    But I think they can still manage to chart good in SK next year after some months off, but they also need to improve their skills, they won't survive as a top group in SK if they get in encore scandals again.

    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    This is why I was very confused! I thought it couldn’t be HYBE drama because ILLIT is still doing well but then have ILLIT had a recent comeback :?: I don’t follow them and I don’t recall seeing this to finalise this :melon_think: I think the singing scandals did a lot of damage more than people realise right now.


    Not to drag twice into this but I think it’s very similar to the more and more scandals and some people report Twice digitals going down after that :oops: I think LSF is more drastic though? I guess we can find out next comeback if it’s just the type of songs or people supporting less because of the scandals

    Honestly in a way its worse than the Twice issue. For Twice specific members were the target, mainly, momo for her mistakes despite being in her 5th year since debut and if memory serves it also coincided with a chatroom full of anti's doing everything to make the girls miserable from starting rumours to being the driving force behind multiple hate campaigns. ICSM had momo rapping and nahyo singing the bulk then with AF alot of the members were redeemed with the lives, it was just a little too little too late.


    LSF was a national embarrassment reported on the news. They were already being dragged for encore vocals long before they were meant to do coachella, so k-netz were already concerned that they'd embarress Korea there, and people expected them to spend time preparing to prove people wrong. Week 1 didn't go well, their responses wasn't what k-netz expected then week 2 didn't go any better. Frankly JYP kept their mouth shut whilst Hybe and Source have been trying media play after media play which only made people more hard hearted towards LSF.


    I swear Illit also got dragged for vocals, but it seems to have blown over for them.

  • AllKill VIP

    Actually no cuz illit was consider a copy paste of NJ but ppl quickly move on


    The focus went on LSRF and stay on them much longer than on Illit

    Especially once the news about HYBE stealing a brand from NJ to give it to LSRF,

    Then the whole mess about Hybe pushing back NJ debut for LSRF


    Yes Illit was seen as the copy paste of Nj Through this whole scandal

    But LSRF have been painted as the gg who stole opportunity away from NJ, and seen as the HYBE weapon to hurt NJ


    That's why this whole scandal had a much more negative impact on LSRF than it did on illit


    Cuz besides taking inspiration from NJ, illit did nothing else that's why people quickly move on from them to focus on lsrf

    Quote from Tatty1984

    Top 10 korea spotify should be erased and then maybe you would get more realistic ranking. It's rigged AF (by hybe mostly) and totally contradicts the korean charts. Pff.


    The whole who album is ranking in the top ten while the tt is nowhere to be seen on the top 100 of kcharts.


    Ridiculous :clown:.

    why are there tatiana burner accounts now?


    I agree spoti is never a good example for HYBE groups but what about the YT charts? They are also number 4 in SK on there. I don't think the kcharts are completely irrelevant, they are still an indicator of popularity in SK, but even that they don't seem to do too well now. Like if 2 of the largest streaming platforms on the planet are contradicting the kcharts, I think that's something to be considered.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from Tru-Multistan

    why are there tatiana burner accounts now?


    I agree spoti is never a good example for HYBE groups but what about the YT charts? They are also number 4 in SK on there. I don't think the kcharts are completely irrelevant, they are still an indicator of popularity in SK, but even that they don't seem to do too well now. Like if 2 of the largest streaming platforms on the planet are contradicting the kcharts, I think that's something to be considered.

    Well youtube charts is a weekly chart

    It's only their second week here

    And for a new song from a big company to lose already 3 spot after only their second week is not a good indicator of good longevity here


    + Youtube is a bit tricky cuz it also count fanmade video using the song even if it have anything to do with lesserafim or people doesn't really watch the video for the song

    While kchart only rely on people streaming the song by choice


    So it can be use as an indicator of a song success but i think it need to be interpretated with the kchart and not solo

    Quote from someone00

    Coachella was such a wrong choice for them. They were already having issues with encores and going to Coachella should be their glory days like "hey, look, we are great", but it turned out as a national embarrassment like it was bad and it was obvious this would be the result. Then they kinda said "fuck off" to whatever was complaining about their first week performance so knetz were probably pissed and their reputation took another hit.. then they released a doc full of cries and no improvement to now a too soon cb with almost no singing parts like, wow, Hybe is dumb asf.

    I'm surprised how they could do so many wrong choices for a group that was reaching higher peaks every cb...

    But I think they can still manage to chart good in SK next year after some months off, but they also need to improve their skills, they won't survive as a top group in SK if they get in encore scandals again.

    They can certainly turn it around since they’re still a young group and usually put out great/ catchy music :!: Knets can also be very dramatic with their witch hunts :suure: I just hope HYBE doesn’t have any more ideals like that documentary and such as it was definitely adding more fuel imo :oops:


    The best thing to do is to regroup and improve out of the public eye ( which wouldn’t take a few months but I think they’ve improved already tbh)


    Quote from onwards

    Honestly in a way it’s worse than the Twice issue. For Twice specific members were the target, mainly, momo for her mistakes despite being in her 5th year since debut and if memory serves it also coincided with a chatroom full of anti's doing everything to make the girls miserable from starting rumours to being the driving force behind multiple hate campaigns. ICSM had momo rapping and nahyo singing the bulk then with AF alot of the members were redeemed with the lives, it was just a little too little too late.


    LSF was a national embarrassment reported on the news. They were already being dragged for encore vocals long before they were meant to do coachella, so k-netz were already concerned that they'd embarress Korea there, and people expected them to spend time preparing to prove people wrong. Week 1 didn't go well, their responses wasn't what k-netz expected then week 2 didn't go any better. Frankly JYP kept their mouth shut whilst Hybe and Source have been trying media play after media play which only made people more hard hearted towards LSF.


    I swear Illit also got dragged for vocals, but it seems to have blown over for them.

    I agree I think it’s been a lot worse / drastic than the more and more scandal and it doesn’t help HYBE is on fire right now for all the wrong reasons :!:


    I didn’t know ILLIT were dragged for vocals or maybe I forgot :melon_think: I think they’re just overshadowed by all the HYBE drama overall. Even their achievements to me don’t feel as grand as they are because HYBE’s drama was always out trending :/

    If you lurk around K-forums you'll know the reason. LSF fans in Korea are notoriously famous for being a fandom full of INCELS. The famous DC inside sub, GirlsPlanet999, go there and you will understand why. They are obsessed with insulting all other gen4 groups aside from LSF and Illit. I'm not talking about twitter level. The insults there are x10 worse than twitter. They even have campaigns everyday to gather fake infos about NJ IVE Aespa mainly and spread it everywhere in mass. Mexjeans/sniper- those 2 hate accounts attacking Nj/aespa every single day are from there. Everytime they spread mass hate comments outside, other fandoms just call them "fat and stinky uncles". They don't even need to rebuttal anything, just "fat and stinky uncles have you take a bath today?". The gender war in Korea is much more serious than inter fans think. That's why no other fandoms want to interact with lsf's fandom and the GP ignores them. Middleschool and Highschool kids making fun of LSF at school because of their K- incels fandom. The more inter fans get fake infos from them, the more Korean GP will get away from lsf.

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    If you lurk around K-forums you'll know the reason. LSF fans in Korea are notoriously famous for being a fandom full of INCELS. The famous DC inside sub, GirlsPlanet999, go there and you will understand why. They are obsessed with insulting all other gen4 groups aside from LSF and Illit. I'm not talking about twitter level. The insults there are x10 worse than twitter. They even have campaigns everyday to gather fake infos about NJ IVE Aespa mainly and spread it everywhere in mass. Mexjeans/sniper- those 2 hate accounts attacking Nj/aespa every single day are from there. Everytime they spread mass hate comments outside, other fandoms just call them "fat and stinky uncles". They don't even need to rebuttal anything, just "fat and stinky uncles have you take a bath today?". The gender war in Korea is much more serious than inter fans think. That's why no other fandoms want to interact with lsf's fandom and the GP ignores them. Middleschool and Highschool kids making fun of LSF because of their K-fandom. The more inter fans get fake infos from them, the more Korean GP will get away from lsf.

    I knew it was bad on twitter but this sounds way more worse :!: Would it really impact their charting though isn’t all fandom guilty for being a bit much and arrogant from time to time and isn’t this just a small percentage of the general public :?:

    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    I agree I think it’s been a lot worse / drastic than the more and more scandal and it doesn’t help HYBE is on fire right now for all the wrong reasons :!:


    I didn’t know ILLIT were dragged for vocals or maybe I forgot :melon_think: I think they’re just overshadowed by all the HYBE drama overall. Even their achievements to me don’t feel as grand as they are because HYBE’s drama was always out trending :/

    Honestly they've always been overshadowed by some drama or another. First it was with the programme the debuted under, then it was with the debut concept, I honestly don't know the name of a single member because Hybe hasn't even tried to market them properly.


    They were dragged for their costumes alot more than their vocals so maybe you'll remember that. They did get dragged into the vocal convo, but that quickly descended into 'look no Hybe made group can sing apart from newjeans'. Then coachella happened and they were more of a footnote than the main story. I think a member got injured and Hybe started using her for sympathy (plus that video of one of them seeing mean comments which again got hybe dragged from one end of the internet to the other). So many issues but nothing big enough to get them recognisably, solo buzz or even attention for any member. Reminds me of pre-lawsuit 5050 without as big of a hit song which is wild considering how deep Hybes pockets are.

    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    I knew it was bad on twitter but this sounds way more worse :!: Would it really impact their charting though isn’t all fandom guilty for being a bit much and arrogant from time to time and isn’t this just a small percentage of the general public :?:

    It's WAY, WAY WORSE. You should NOT see any post about Karina/aespa made by them there. It's filthy disgusting. And you ask why I know this? It's because while NJ haters outside Korea are Karens from Iowa, inside Korea it's them. They're super duper malicious. Reeks of loser energy.

    Yes, they were impacted by the Coachella vocal scandal and the MHJ/HYBE controversy driven up the hate train further. LSF are now seen as the "evil sisters" to NJ, similar to the wicked stepsisters in the Cinderella story there.


    As for charting, they’re in the top 3 on YouTube Music Korea, which is where most people are consuming music these days from South Korea, while Kcharts have lost their novelty and barely get talked about anymore. It’s all about global charts now, and they’re performing exceptionally well there. So the JOKE is on you now!!

    :hype-cutie:

    Quote from onwards

    Honestly they've always been overshadowed by some drama or another. First it was with the programme the debuted under, then it was with the debut concept, I honestly don't know the name of a single member because Hybe hasn't even tried to market them properly.


    They were dragged for their costumes alot more than their vocals so maybe you'll remember that. They did get dragged into the vocal convo, but that quickly descended into 'look no Hybe made group can sing apart from newjeans'. Then coachella happened and they were more of a footnote than the main story. I think a member got injured and Hybe started using her for sympathy (plus that video of one of them seeing mean comments which again got hybe dragged from one end of the internet to the other). So many issues but nothing big enough to get them recognisably, solo buzz or even attention for any member. Reminds me of pre-lawsuit 5050 without as big of a hit song which is wild considering how deep Hybes pockets are.

    I don’t remember the outfit buzz too :!: but I always went out my way to avoid ILLIT at the start as I just felt like they were rushed and a lesser NJ at the time so paid them little attention :melon_think: but I agree they always feel overshadowed by the latest drama of the time :huuh: anyways all the best to them :/

    korea ? yes, international ? nope.


    btw They will tour around Korea by filling the campus music festival (which is rumored that all campuses in Korea reject them as performers) :sweat: . I think they're trying to rebuild their image. good luck to them

    Yea I agree they should not be looked at alone since youtube + spoti are much more susceptible to fake views. I can't say which chart matters the most but I think it probably makes sense to at least consider other charts before announcing the downfall of a group.


    Anyways I agree with the overall premise of the thread, LSF's perception was effected by coachella/scandals, but I would guess coachella the most.

    BSH produces for LSF and he also chose the members. Hating LSF is equivalent to hating BSH too because LSF is perceived as BSH proxy. That's why the hate on LSF is sustained because MHJ problem has not been resolved. Once they kick out MHJ and put NJ on garden leave till the end of their contract, then the hate should subside.

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    There are many more. K-female kpop stans are ruthless. Some of my favourite lines:

    "Would the amount of money I earn by writing like this enough to give my nephews and nieces some pocket money for Chuseok?"

    "My uncle came here to see his nephews and nieces, but you're not going to come out of your room even on this holiday to greet your relatives?"

    "Mom: The hard-earned money your old and hardworking mother give you is to find a job in your 40s, not to spend all day on the internet jerking off to young girls!
    GP999 user: But mom! I have a job already!
    Mom: What job?
    GP999 user: Hybe part-timers"

    People are speculating way too much.


    When you have a huge hit your subsequent release will perform in relation to that as well. For example savage got a PAK after Next Level but it wasn’t as good a good so didn’t have that impact and the releases after savage didn’t do as well as savage because they were not great either.


    Similar thing with LSFM. Easy and Smart we’re not as well received as LSFM’s previous releases and Crazy is simply not a great song either so it plummeted a lot.


    Literally no one cares about scandals other than fandoms. You can be a criminal and still chart not only in Korea but all around the world of your song is trendy enough because that’s how the world operates. Casual listeners don’t care about any scandals I doubt they even know LSFM went to Coachella

    Can you be serious. Crazy debuted at the bottom no one no one was tuning in yes some groups have bad songs but they can manage to chart in the top 10. Crazy isn’t not even top 30. Unforgiven was badly received and still peaked at 2.


    Good songs ≠ good charting. LSRF isn’t relevant in Korea anymore.

    This is incorrect.


    The Company Drama? It's correct that only fans care about that now. At least to the point of following every plot twist


    The Coachella incident was very much NOT just K-Pop fans. That made national headlines and news, and it was considered a national embarrassment. Unless you think the general public doesn't watch the news, people knew all about it.

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    Can you be serious. Crazy debuted at the bottom no one no one was tuning in yes some groups have bad songs but they can manage to chart in the top 10. Crazy isn’t not even top 30. Unforgiven was badly received and still peaked at 2.


    Good songs ≠ good charting. LSRF isn’t relevant in Korea anymore.

    Yes because easy wasn’t that interesting so their subsequent release tumbled even more.


    This is with respect to a good song. If you release a good song that will supersede other things.


    This isn’t really hard to understand lol. A bad song and consecutive poor performance = terrible charting. That’s all there is to it.

    Quote from YamaChwan

    This is incorrect.


    The Company Drama? It's correct that only fans care about that now. At least to the point of following every plot twist


    The Coachella incident was very much NOT just K-Pop fans. That made national headlines and news, and it was considered a national embarrassment. Unless you think the general public doesn't watch the news, people knew all about it.

    Yama you’re obsessed with kpop. Not a single person I know IRL knows any celeb scandal. Nor follows it closely. Because that’s how adults are. No one has the time.


    People really exaggerate how much ppl care about cemeteries because they themselves are obsessed with celebrities. If a song is trendy ppl will listen to it no matter what.


    The songs LSFM released were just not good.

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