Is NewJeans debut single selling less on japan than Kepler embarrassing and a flop?

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I smell another hit thread

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I smell another hit thread

I smell the same.

I thought that other one would stay here indefinitely, but this one might take over.

No because Kepler has strong fanbase in Japan since debut. All their albums are certified platinum there.

idk, I guess they didn't do as well as expected, but not really a flop. Perhaps "relative flop" is more appropriate .

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idk, I guess they didn't do as well as expected, but not really a flop. Perhaps "relative flop" is more appropriate .

They did ok but when Tokkis claim they are the biggest ever and can't be touched it does start to look like a flop

No? Kepler have made their careers by being massively popular in Japan. This isn't even new news.

I'm the one who posted the data for how each top girl group did in Japan, and I myself said that Kepler and LSF sell the most albums, while NewJeans are by far the best girl group on the charts.

There is no tea being spilled in this thread, and now the obsession with NewJeans is officially pathetic and degenerate.

This is a very small echo chamber of an Internet forum that I use to kill time because I still prefer message boards over social media and reddit. Trying this hard to get a "W" against me makes you a loser in real life, champ.

Go touch some grass.

I can't say much bc BP also used to sell not so much, but their concerts there were always a success. As long as they get a Japanese fb strong enough to tour then I don't see it as flopping.

Kep1er does concerts on Tokyo Dome?? I'm asking bc idk and you mentioned them bc right now NJ are doing a fanmeeting in a 55k stadium even though they aren't the strongest in the physical market.

Digital wise they seem to be doing good too.

So Newjeans are doing bad on global spotify because of no more hybe payola but are doing incredibly good streaming number in japan because of hybe payola

Tokkie spend all the money on fan meeting and merchandises.

Like, this is probably the biggest promoted debut ever in Japan.

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Aint they trending in japan now

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No? Kepler have made their careers by being massively popular in Japan. This isn't even new news.

I didn't know that

Nice to see NJ reaching their peak of popularity on japan spotify without hybe payola It's also quite nice that they are currently the most streamed gg on global spotify without hybe payola. Even more impressive that they don't need any hit/viral song to be the top gg

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Look at the hybe payola

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I love their lightsticks

kepler are literally one of the most popular groups in japan AND they have japanese members.

i think people underestimate how having japanese members is a huge advantage for the japanese market.

obviously there’s korean groups that do well without them but no one can deny that having them in a group’s lineup is like a shortcut to building a strong japanese fan base.

thats why so many groups debuting these days has at least one japanese member.

anyway, i think newjeans have done well and selling less than kepler isn’t the drag you think it is especially when their japanese fan base literally carries their career.

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The Hallyu wave never returned to how it was in 2nd gen

I can't think of a single girl group since 3rd gen that has a strong Japanese fanbase without Japanese members.

exactly! i think after twice’s success in japan, it kind of became the norm to have japanese members because it’s a huge advantage in the market.

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The Hallyu wave never returned to how it was in 2nd gen

I can't think of a single girl group since 3rd gen that has a strong Japanese fanbase without Japanese members.

One could say that NewJeans being so popular in Japan was completely unexpected. I know it was for me. I remember my early praise threads being extremely Korea centric, and then later adjusted to include their Billboard achievements, but the success in Japan came out of nowhere.

It made no sense.

They had zero Japanese members, zero Japanese songs, had done zero legitimate promotions there, and then I look and see Ditto is the best charting 4th Generation girl group song by a mile.

And now they're selling out Tokyo Dome easily.

That is legitimately insane, and you cannot attribute ANY of the Tokyo Dome ticket sales to their recent Japanese promotions, because those tickets sold out well before their Japanese promotions started.

We have never seen a girl group gain this kind of traction in Japan with such minimal promotions before-hand, and without relying on Japanese members to do it.

NJ is a young group, they still have time to slowly build their fandom. Their Tokyo Dome dates are probably going to gain them a lot of new japanese fans.

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can't sell albums but selling out domes

NewJeans we love you

no drag at all but it's the opposite of sserafim strangely.

genuinly without any hill feelings, (and i'm mostly using ssera example since OP cited them to drag NJs sales), if they were selling 150k albums in japan, they should be able to do TDs left and right.

because selling a lot of albums means that you have a big fandom right?

why aren't they touring in japan then?

they would makes TONES of bucks. specially at a time when hybe needs money since bts are in the army and most of their sub labels are bleeding money?

or are their jpn sells actually widely inflated? even with 2 japanese members and 2 very popular ex izone members?

no attack on ssera but bang is a convinced fraud so that wouldn't be a surprise really.

and to not target ssera specifically, sales inflation is really a thing in the industry in general.

so really, along cfs (their quality rather than quantity), genuine moments of virality etc, touring is one of the most reliable source to weight in a groups real success. and it’s level.

digitals can be bought, sales can be inflated but touring is much harder to traficate.

and njs ATE. 110k with a fanmeet can you imagine?

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NJ is a young group, they still has time to slowly build their fandom. Their Tokyo Dome dates are probably going to earn them a lot of new japanese fans.

exactly, they're barely 2 years old and already went through so much drama on top of a 10 month hiatus.

the fact that they're surviving at all is already a miracle!

I have no doubt NewJeans have Japan and Korea on lockdown now. They could tour there in the biggest venues easily.

The real question is how they will tour in the West and where exactly.

I think stadiums are too ambitious to start, so big arenas are much more likely.

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Why you always gotta do this

There's nothing wrong with playing it safe. NewJeans is the anomaly here by not working their way up to Domes tbh. Le Sserafim can easily do a dome tour and likely will next year. Ive and Aespa did the same thing

Well no offense but they had a hard time filling up a 10k avenue in korea. While selling around a million album i think... (the girls are innocent of course, they are not at fault)

I don't deny that they are popular and doing well but 150k is baffling really. With 70k only apparently even Ive can do TD. So what has kept Ssera from doing it already?

But regardless what im actually saying is that album sales can be widely inflated so it's not the best tool to quantify true success even less to use it as an irrevocable metric to determine an accurate ranking of groups popularity.

Of the top 5 most popular girl groups, LSF have sold the most albums in Japan and they have Sakura (not to mention Kazuha). I don't think we need to be concerned about their ability to fill out Tokyo Dome when given the chance.

Multiple girl groups have strong physicals in Japan (some more than NewJeans like Kepler or LSF) and some have already done Tokyo Dome (like aespa), but NewJeans is distinguishing themselves with their unprecedented popularity on the charts for a group that hasn't made an effort to promote in Japan until literally this month, with zero Japanese members or pre-existing fanbases like IVE or LSF (from Izone obviously).

It's funny how some people didn't know how popular Kepler is in Japan. They're getting no love in Korea, so they have to be sustaining themselves somewhere.

Not flop. Not even embarrassing. Just not good enough for the so called most popular active Kpop girl group.

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Not flop. Not even embarrassing. Just not good enough for the so called most popular active Kpop girl group.

I guess BLACKPINK has never been good enough during their time as the most popular girl group