The double standard between NewJeans and Babymonster

  • Any criticism to NewJeans such as boring music or stage presence is shielded by fans with things such as "how are you hating on teenage girls" meanwhile Baemon's debut that have even younger members was received with a LOT of criticism not only on their music but such as personal things like their visuals.

    So this "how are you hating on teenage girls" when people criticize nj's music or performances sound more like an excuse and looks like yall dont even take Nj seriously as artists since despite making the music you love "they are only teen girls and youre old so your criticism is invalid". If that was the case no one would be able to criticize Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo or Justin Bieber, just to name a few. Attention to the word chosen: CRITICIZE, because hate isn't and never will be excusable, yet that's the word bunnies conventionally pick when people criticize Nj's music or perfomance.

    Thats soooo weird like some you saying this shit didnt had the same sympathy for wonyoung before she turned 18 or hated on 16yo leeseo for lipsyncing so I can see behind all the bullshit and hidden agenda.

    Using "theyre just teens" as excuse only means yall do not take them seriously as artists and thats rich considering how i've seen the same ppl praising their "artistry" :skull:


    Anyway thats just my observation on how there's so much double standards on akp feel free to get mad they also hated jesus for saying the truth, someone has to take the heat if the rest prefer to cower 💅


    Ps: don't get me started on the ad hominem agenda either, but that's talk for another day.

  • Ehm, is there really this much drama between BM and NJ fans here?

    The most I've seen is people criticizing the Kpop industry in general for debuting younger and younger idols.


    I have blocked the more toxic people here, so maybe I missed something


    That part about Jesus is just tiny bit dramatic, in my opinion.

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    Look it's a new me
    Switched it up, who's this?
    Uril bwa NewJeans
    So fresh, so clean

    Eolmana
    Gidaryeotdeon nal
    Deudieo
    Time to step out
    Tto han beon deo
    Ready for sure
    To have some more

    New hair
    New tee
    NewJeans
    Do you see
    New hair
    New tee
    NewJeans
    Do you see

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    NewJeans
    Do you see
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    NewJeans
    Do you see

    Make it feel
    Like a game
    Look at us, we go
    On & on again
    We'll go on to the end
    What we wanna do
    On & on again

    Make it feel
    Like a game
    Look at us, we go
    On & on again
    We'll go on to the end
    What we wanna do
    On & on again

    Look it's a new me
    Switched it up, who's this?
    Deureobwa NewJeans
    So fresh, so clean

    Eolmana
    Gidaryeotdeon nal
    Deudieo
    Feeling's so right
    Tto han beon deo
    I need to know
    You want some more

    New hair
    New tee
    NewJeans
    You & me
    New hair
    New tee
    NewJeans
    You & me

    New hair
    New tee
    NewJeans
    You & me
    New hair
    New tee
    NewJeans
    You & me
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  • Of course it's you making this thread



    You all desperately associated every aspect of NewJeans with pedophilia, sexualized everything they did, wanted them boycotted, used Cookie as a gotcha at every turn and accused them of having terrorism and voyeurism in their videos. All while hiding under "it's about MHJ, it doesn't affect the girls" As soon as NJ had a fairly average performance that didn't live up to hype, people ran with it and called them untalented bad performers at any and every instance,

    Meanwhile you acted like


    And this is all fine but people calling Ives song a flop makes them the most hated girl group ever on here


    Nobody said you couldn't criticize them just because they're young, just don't be a cunt about it. Don't go into every thread about them just to shit on them, even in unrelated threads. Don't demand they get more hate


    If I went into a " People are so bitter about Wony" and called her untalented saying she didn't get enough hate for strawberry moon, half the forum would be on my ass and I'd deserve it



    But of course there's always an excuse or selective blindness when it's against NewJeans

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  • You're right. It's hypocritical.

    Luckily I never hated on Babymonster so this doesn't apply to me.
    I think criticism is fine as long as it's not personal attacks against the members

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  • So you dont think the Cookie lyrics, the matilda cosplay and the "pimp is yours" shirt wasnt worth criticism?

    Also, it is concerning how yall genuinely don't seem to tell the difference between criticism and hate.

    I see genuine hate and bodyshaming on Wonyoung on a daily basis here, I would never wish something like that towards ANY idol. But if it's something about their music or performance, that's something I can't shield her from, because she's an artist and any art/ist can be criticized.

    Bashing, however, is where I would say it gets pathetic, and making criticisms equal to bashing is only a disservice.

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  • Cheer up everyone


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    Jeonhwaga peong teojil geotman gata
    Molla molla sumdo mot swindae
    Na ttaemune himdeureo
    Kung simjangi tteoreojindae wae
    Gyae mareun na neomu yeppeudae
    Jarang haneungeon anigu

    A akkaneun mot badaseo mianhae
    Chingureul mannaneura shy shy shy
    Mannagin jom geureoku mianhae
    Jom itda yeollakhalge later

    Joreujima eolma gaji anha
    Bureuge haejulge Baby
    Ajigeun jom illeo nae mam gatgin illeo
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    CHEER UP BABY CHEER UP BABY
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    Just get it together
    And then baby CHEER UP

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    And then baby CHEER UP

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    This is why nobody likes wonyoung

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    wait can you send me a link to this?

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  • You’re not the one to talk about double standard here when you never forget to remind people to hate on new jeans every chance you get on this forum. how about you practice what you preach about doube standard by coming for baemon next? why only do it to new jeans? :iconpepe:

    "Hate"

    Now tell me EXACTLY how I bashed them. I want every proof and receipt you can get or else you're just projecting.

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  • Ok now you're just flooding and it's worth a report and a warning point

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  • So you dont think the Cookie lyrics, the matilda cosplay and the "pimp is yours" shirt wasnt worth criticism?

    the selective reading like you weren't the one making up some bullshit about their name being some pedophilic reference and one of their videos being about watching sex acts or whatever


    Also, it is concerning how yall genuinely don't seem to tell the difference between criticism and hate

    No it's concerning how yall choose to not understand context

    Time, place and tone.


    If you go into a thread saying people hate them too much-not criticize-hate going off about what you don't like about, you are associating your "criticism" with hate. Especially when you quite literally say they deserve more hate.


    Nobody has said they are immune to criticism, some of us just don't willfully act blind

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  • And I stand by that. That was weird as fuck. How is that bashing Nj? If you think it's normal seeing teen "angels" watching a couple be intimate that's on you lol.


    What made me make this thread was how yall said a blink was hating Nj only because they didnt like their music and performance. And once again, you guys STILL mix the concepts of criticism and hate.

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  • Nah I'll just observe how mods will operate

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  • Nah I don't think it's that deep. You may get that impression because there's way more NewJeans fans here and a lot of them are very vocal and defensive whilst for Babymonster that is not the case, I only see YG/BP stans talking about them but there's no hardcore follower. Although there was this one thread calling out the BM hate, granted it was made by minion. :skull:


  • Also BM seem to actually look like pretty good performers ;p Not seen it live yet but they seem quite good.


    I guess you noticed a recent thread ;p

    It was mainly Koreans calling them ugly but have other places calling them ugly.

    How can u be so dumb that you have "read" what I said and proved my point... Again


    Head is so empty that thoughts make echoes


    Your finally seeing the light to this person :P

  • I think your quoting me there


    I changed it to criticism if it was me because didnt mean hate obviously but funny your using that as some argument. I think the issue is Hate has been so diluted and changed it doesnt actually mean "Hate" anymore.


    criticism and hate seem directly linked due to people like you who think any criticism is literally hate.


    I guess its affecting me now because when I see hate im thinking oh you mean criticism.

  • And I stand by that. That was weird as fuck. How is that bashing Nj? If you think it's normal seeing teen "angels" watching a couple be intimate that's on you lol.

    Because that never happened. Only somebody incapable of watching more than a deliberately shortened Twitter clip or someone who completely addicted to porn would think that . And again Ms Selective reading, I didn't say that was bashing, I said that was unnecessarily sexualizing them which is problematic.

    What made me make this thread was how yall said a blink was hating Nj only because they didnt like their music and performance. And once again, you guys STILL mix the concepts of criticism and hate

    The blink that literally said in that same thread they deserved more hate? The one that's been in NewJeans threads for the better part of a year. The one who was told to stop being petty and childish and tried to flip it to some misandry bullshit?

    This is who you're riding for?

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  • I'll be objective.


    NJ themselves are quite talented. If you see their tiktoks, they can dance well. The problem is their choreography is toned down. So it looks like a bunch of teens dancing, but that is by design. They have very good charisma in their tiktoks, but since they have to stick to a routine that imo is meh, can't show it.


    Ive has a very good dancer and some ok ones and some mid ones. Their choreography is very basic, because they are limited to what the worst dancer can do.


    Only from listening to their songs. Ive - nothing is supported. NJ - cant tell anything as all they songs are within a couple of keys.

  • Because that never happened. Only somebody incapable of watching more than a deliberately shortened Twitter clip or someone who completely addicted to porn would think that . And again Ms Selective reading, I didn't say that was bashing, I said that was unnecessarily sexualizing them which is problematic.

    The blink that literally said in that same thread they deserved more hate? The one that's been in NewJeans threads for the better part of a year. The one who was told to stop being petty and childish and tried to flip it to some misandry bullshit?

    This is who you're riding for?

    Which I changed to criticism , but lets ignore that right? I literally said Hate is the wrong word to use.


    I also have not been in that many NJ threads.


    I mean when the second responses in that thread to me is


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    Sorry for taking it the way I see it I guess?

  • Because that never happened. Only somebody incapable of watching more than a deliberately shortened Twitter clip or someone who completely addicted to porn would think that . And again Ms Selective reading, I didn't say that was bashing, I said that was unnecessarily sexualizing them which is problematic.

    The blink that literally said in that same thread they deserved more hate? The one that's been in NewJeans threads for the better part of a year

    This is who you're riding for?

    Well I found that WEIRD and I stand by that. If you think that's a problem it's fine, you can think so, but I'm not gonna pretend I think it's cute just because someone dislike and disagree with what I think and that's perfectly healthy. That's the point in art, to some it can be disgusting and to some can be lovely. Personally I think that scene was unecessary and I'm not obligating anyone to agree with me. I don't think that can be considered hate, if you do than you and me have very different views on what hate means.


    I didn't see they saying that. I saw they saying that they don't hate Nj, but they dislike their music and performance. I also saw that they said Nj is the group that gets least hate so the title of that thread didn't make sense. That's what I contextualized, at least. If it wasn't that you can please show me what exactly they said, because I would never advocate for hate.

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  • Well I found that WEIRD and I stand by that. If you think that's a problem it's fine, you can think so, but I'm not gonna pretend I think it's cute just because someone dislike and disagree with what I think and that's perfectly healthy. That's the point in art, to some it can be disgusting and to some can be lovely. Personally I think that scene was unecessary and I'm not obligating anyone to agree with me. I don't think that can be considered hate, if you do than you and me have very different views on what hate means.


    I didn't see they saying that. I saw they saying that they don't hate Nj, but they dislike their music and performance. I also saw that they said Nj is the group that gets least hate so the title of that thread didn't make sense. That's what I contextualized, at least. If it wasn't that you can please show me what exactly they said, because I would never advocate for hate.

    Also they barely get any criticism or backlash for being so mid when they honestly should.


    I said this but changed hate for criticism because hate was obviously the wrong word to use, issue is so many people think criticism and hate are basically the same thing. I guess I did also due to how it is now days. Even my time on this forum anything you say against any group is hate and everyone thinks this so not just NJ fans, i probs do this also.

  • Thats soooo weird like some you saying this shit didnt had the same sympathy for wonyoung before she turned 18 or hated on 16yo leeseo for lipsyncing so I can see behind all the bullshit and hidden agenda.

    And I love how the thread is about NewJeans fans not being able to distinguish hate from criticism while but when it's Leeseo it's hate.


    You can't even hold to the same standards when it's about your faves


    Well I found that WEIRD and I stand by that. If you think that's a problem it's fine, you can think so, but I'm not gonna pretend I think it's cute just because someone dislike and disagree with what I think and that's perfectly healthy. That's the point in art, to some it can be disgusting and to some can be lovely. Personally I think that scene was unecessary and I'm not obligating anyone to agree with me. I don't think that can be considered hate, if you do than you and me have very different views on what hate means

    I'm just amazed at how the people claiming to be advocates for minors see no issue in sexualizing them for an agenda.


    I didn't see they saying that. I saw they saying that they don't hate Nj, but they dislike their music and performance. I also saw that they said Nj is the group that gets least hate so the title of that thread didn't make sense. That's what I contextualized, at least. If it wasn't that you can please show me what exactly they said, because I would never advocate for hate.

    "Also they barely get any hate or backlash for being so mid when they honestly should."

    "Them being girls or teenage doesnt take away from them being shit"

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  • I think this person has blocked me but I changed that because hate obviously didnt fit but lets ignore that right.. Guess ill return the favor and block also. The fact you guys are going to use this as some statement and proof of something is funny honestly.


    Someone literally called me out in that thread for using the word hate and I agreed and changed it and but got people like this...


    "Them being girls or teenage doesnt take away from them being shit" - Is not hate lmfao. Shit is basically another word for bad that UK people use tbh

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