is it just me or is the kpop industry starting to slowly prioritize singles & quick eras than albums etc

  • like idk if the title makes sense but it seems like the industry is starting to shift towards the less investment = more profit model



    aespa for example, have been in the game for nearly 3 years now and still dont have a full album :skull: it's always mini album, repackage, single album with these groups. the rare chance that you do have a full album it's full of 2023 version or intros and outros and barely any new songs. Or has like 7 new songs and really serves like a mini album than an actual full


    i feel like this is a big reason newjeans are doing so well, their releases feel like there was actual thought & care put into them instead of the agency coming up with some lazy concept and expecting company stans to eat it up. debuting with an actual mini album much less one that got promoted the way it did is extremely rare. but even then they're kinda giving into what i've described here

  • itiswhatitisss

    Changed the title of the thread from “is it just me or is the industry starting to slowly proritize singles & quick eras than albums etc” to “is it just me or is the kpop industry starting to slowly prioritize singles & quick eras than albums etc”.
  • what do you mean starting?


    Kpop has always been a single driven industry. ESPECIALLY for girl groups.


    Music shows are built around performing the lead single.


    Festivals book vased on the performance of lead singles



    Only a handful of idol albums get critical acclaim and nominations off of quality rather than performance on the charts.

  • Well you’re right but its the same across the board.


    In 2014 Calvin Harris did an interview saying he’d never actually release an album again because people just don’t consume albums.


    Music used to be a luxury and there weren’t many options so people would buy albums in order to get a lot of new music at once. Eventually people started buying albums, but because of radio play and music video production, a specific single needed to get a lot of money put into it other than music production and so companies need to make that money back.


    Scenario 1:


    I buy a Twicecoaster lane 2 from Twice, but how many of those songs am i streaming? (Album Profit - song production costs for unstreamed 12 songs + streams profit - MV cost for 1 song) some profit if tons purchase


    Scenario 2:

    I JUST stream the title from that album, like most consumers (same album from scenario 1)

    (1 Streams profit - 1 MV cost - 1song production)


    Scenario 3:

    New Jeans, Super Shy, ETA, ASAP and Cool With You ALL get to be singles promoted, a little separated in time. And you stream ALL of them AND purchase

    (6 Stream profit for EVERY song + album profits - 6mv costs - 6 song profits)


    If you ask me though, the real genius is the international appeal their music has because THATS where the scharole is

  • isn't kpop always like that

    a full album like a Western singer is very rare, in kpop if you don't cb at least 2 times a year, you gonna lose all the hype (unless you are BP)

    that's why K-pop fans always complain about company mismanagement :eyes:

    but Aespa reason is because of SM tbh ^^^^

  • The problem is that Kpop fans are used to getting tons of content. At least two albums per year which means at least 12 songs per year. Some groups have gone bonkers with like 20-25 songs per year (Twice and BTS), like that's just WAY TOO MANY SONGS. You just saturate and saturate or end up with a trillion disposable B sides that nobody cares about.


    In the old days, artists would come out with one album every 2-4 years. Basically BP's discography of 30-40 songs in 7 years was the norm, maybe even on the high side.


    But could you imagine the outcry from fans if our faves came back every three years with 3-4 singles and 12 songs total for the album? We would have riots and trucks every week.


    I think all artists should be capping their total song releases to 8-10 each year, with 3 singles and 5-7 B sides. Of course, my caveat would be that these would all be REAL songs, not 2.4 minutes long. At minimum, the singles would be about 4 minutes long with shorter versions to be used during performances. However, some of the B sides should be real artistic endeavors going for 5, 6, 8 minutes in length, allowing the songs to breathe, allowing the idols to show other sides of their talents like vocals.

  • The problem is that Kpop fans are used to getting tons of content. At least two albums per year which means at least 12 songs per year. Some groups have gone bonkers with like 20-25 songs per year (Twice and BTS), like that's just WAY TOO MANY SONGS. You just saturate and saturate or end up with a trillion disposable B sides that nobody cares about.

    Not that I don't agree with most of what you said but... sometimes it's nice from a consumer perspective for products to not always be about profits. Sure less songs per album is more profitable from a business point of view but it doesn't exactly scream "we care about our customers"


    I disagree on too many disposable bsides and nobody carrying about them. As a Once, I very much appreciate that Twice has this massive discography. Their recent bside releases in past 2-3 years have been the highest quality, I listen to some of the bside as much as title tracks and certain bsides are iconic for performances on concerts (ex. Rollin, Go Hard)


    Plus you also don't see the unintended long term effects of frequent releases on fan loyalty. Twice wasnt always my top group but i can tell you their releases is one of the main reason they are now.

  • I feel like 3rd gen was the golden era for full albums.

    Outside of SM groups, I don't think many of my 2nd gen faves did many albums either or if they did, intros, remixes, old singles like you said.



    I will say albums are a lot more thought out

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  • Not sure what’s going on with boygroups but girlgroups haven’t changed anything drastically. It’s the same. Full album has always been a luxury for the biggest groups.

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