[pann] OP says JYP has zero presence and BIG 3 companies are HYBE. SM, and YG

lmao zero presence i understood as op saying jyp has no stage presence

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lmao zero presence i understood as op saying jyp has no stage presence

seconded

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lmao zero presence i understood as op saying jyp has no stage presence

Same I'm disappointed now

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I mean YG isn't in a better position neither

If tomorrow Blackpink members decide to leave they'll be in big trouble

Big bang is pretty done now with TOP leaving YG too

WINNER isn't able to get the same result in digital than they used to do

Ikon lost all relevance in the GP and their fandom support

And Treasure isn't able to compete with other BG of their generations

The futur of YG is in BP hands

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The most important for YG is Teddy park not Blackpink. And they still have G dragon too, if he also starts producing for the company, they are more than safe. They will quietly wait & launch their new GG a bit after other companies like they did with Blackpink.

JYP will fall on the long term because their production is disastrous and run out of ideas. The only producer they got right now is Bang chan, but he is too young right now and produce mainly for his own group.

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The most important for YG is Teddy park not Blackpink. And they still have G dragon too, if he also starts producing for the company, they are more than safe. They will quietly wait & launch their new GG a bit after other companies like they did with Blackpink.

JYP will fall on the long term because their production is disastrous and run out of ideas. The only producer they got right now is Bang chan, but he is too young right now and produce mainly for his own group.

I agree, Gdragon produces music in the style GP loves. They need to release their new girl group as soon as possible next year. Maybe they can try a cute and fresh concept in their next girl group. Then they probably won't clash with Bp fans either. Treasure is pretty popular international at least. Generally in 4thgen boygroups korean digital is not good. So they have nothing to lose from that part. Jyp has absolutely no creative ideas left. They don't make music with their own concept and style. They make music that has nothing to do with the concept. He should stop gave retro music on Twice. I'm sure they would have had the same success if they had given Twice Pop. If Twice is going to have a mature concept, they have to come up with a different and fresh idea. Twice is safe they've large fandom. It's unclear what they're doing at ITZY. I was hoping they would at least go Mafia style. They should give more impactful beats and music. As an NMIXX production, jyp needs to give more vocal-heavy experimental music instead of childish rap parts. If they don't have producers, their situation is really bad

OP said JYP has zero presence and the comments were majority YG stans defending YG. Am I missing something?

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JYP really has 0 presence

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1. [+201, -19]
The HYBE fans are all flocking in... They ate up all the existing companies like a pig so it would be weird if they had idols there who didn't succeedㅋㅋ even calling the idols they have "HYBE idols" would be ambiguous since they all have their respective company ㅋㅋㅋㅋ The Big 3 companies until now all debuted kids they raised themselves and they have a lot of idols who swept through the idol industry in one go. It's because they have a lot of influence on the idol industry that they are called "big".. treating a company like theirs the same way as those companies who have been here for dozens of years is just ridiculous

2. [+169, -16]
You say that you're not sure about YG's position but looking at the top 24H number of unique listeners, Bigbang and BP were #1 and #2 by an unrivaled marginㅋㅋ... adding to them, they also have Winner and AKMU and GD and Taeyang are supposed to release songs next year ㅋㅋ if they release something digitally, can you even win over them?

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Facts facts facts.

Aside from the fact that the BIG 3 is about cultural impact, the Big 3 will never change.

I mean YG's founder was in the group that started Kpop, Seo Taiji and Boys.

But from a finacial standpoint I guess I can understand the JYP thing as they're the smallest of them all. Their entire year's revenue is equal to that of 1 quarter for YG.

But JYP is not like SM and YG which are multinational conglomerates with several subsidiaries in several industries which are publicly-traded themselves while JYP is still largely just a music label.

SM and YG are expanding their businesses and pretty much are embedded in the entertainment industry.

From an impact standpoint SM perfected the trainee system...YG basically started everything we know about Kpop now...hip-hop, mini albums, massive tours.

BIGBANG was the first to do a sold out North American tour. GD is still the only solo artist to do so.

BIGBANG just had the biggest boy group song of the year without even trying and they're about to start their solo stuff, which they've solidified themselves as the only group that are just as big solo as the group is.

BLACKPINK was the biggest gg this year without any Korean promos.

YG groups still hold many of the touring records.

TREASURE is about to be the biggest touring act of 4th gen once their numbers are accumulated from this tour. Which is no surprise because YG is the biggest touring label.

Although Stray Kids and TREASURE are the only 4th gen boy groups that are able to get big views, so it looks like those 2 are the main 2 boy groups that'll battle it out over the next few years. But that's not something uncommon for YG...BIGBANG was always pitted against the next big boy group and always won...SJ, then EXO etc.

Same with BLACKPINK. So YG is used to it.

So from a cultural and branding impact SM, YG and JYP are it. But JYP doesn't gave the financial power and sway SM and YG have.

Agree with the Knetz here. Hybe just bought a bunch of groups so they don't have a distinct brand Koreans or Kpop fans can cling to as they didn't create them. So buying up labels (while going into massive debt) really doesn't do anything from a cultural impact and makes them more, not so much generic, but definitely not distinctive. They just feel like a company buying up smaller labels, kind of like the Walmart of Kpop.

Based on the responses in this thread, my decision to start back up the YG Business News thread in the new year will certainly help some folks to be better educated on this.

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Yeah but how long wi it take them to debut a new GG ?

Will their GG be strong enough to hold a chance against other Future GG who might come out of HYBE ?

And will their futur GG be as big than blackpink to be able to carry the company ??

I don't know I can't predict the future, I understand your point of view, but what I'm trying to explain above all is that the career of a producer is generally longer than that of an idol so in the long term it's more interesting to have a very good producer.

And until today when I see the comebacks of Blackpink, Somi and even treasure, we can see that YG has kept its brand image and that each artist represents the company well with a clear guideline and defines unlike JYP where everything is messy.

JYPE problem is always the same, lack of identity, they just do whatever is trendy and even then, they do poorly.

They had four years in between Itzy and nmixx debut, and the best could come up was to copy SM again.

Until this day, the most noteworthy fact of JYPE is being JYP's company.

Since the beginning, both SM and YG had a well-defined style as to how they did music, concepts, and so on.

Even Big Hit/Hybe while being a younger company still has a way stronger and more defined style than JYPE ever did.

In the end, everything JYPE does was already done before and better. Unless there is a big change on the management side, they will just continue to lose relevancy, especially now that the competition from the other big labels is so fierce.

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But from a finacial standpoint I guess I can understand the JYP thing as they're the smallest of them all. Their entire year's revenue is equal to that of 1 quarter for YG.

Wrong info.

This is according to their Jan-Sep financial report this year;

YG

forum.allkpop.com/suite/attachment/259176/

forum.allkpop.com/suite/attachment/259177/

JYP

forum.allkpop.com/suite/attachment/259178/

YG Sales: 266B krw

JYP Sales: 230B krw

Gap: 36B krw

As you can see, only 36B is the gap between YG & JYP in revenue/sales from 1st-3rd quarter (Jan-Sep) this year. So your assumption of YG eating up JYP's revenue for the whole year in just 1 quarter is wrong.

If anything, JYP trumps YG when it comes to profitability of their company (including SM) despite the sales being almost the same. Which is why they have the bigger market cap and have bigger stock price than YG.

I wanted to agree JYP have no stage presence until I saw the different company logo profit comparison shit again...

"zero stage presence"

Better than the original. (loop for the full glorious experience)

Quote from bartkun

JYP really has 0 presence

post response:
[+248][-135]
original post: here

1. [+201, -19]
The HYBE fans are all flocking in... They ate up all the existing companies like a pig so it would be weird if they had idols there who didn't succeedㅋㅋ even calling the idols they have "HYBE idols" would be ambiguous since they all have their respective company ㅋㅋㅋㅋ The Big 3 companies until now all debuted kids they raised themselves and they have a lot of idols who swept through the idol industry in one go. It's because they have a lot of influence on the idol industry that they are called "big".. treating a company like theirs the same way as those companies who have been here for dozens of years is just ridiculous

2. [+169, -16]
You say that you're not sure about YG's position but looking at the top 24H number of unique listeners, Bigbang and BP were #1 and #2 by an unrivaled marginㅋㅋ... adding to them, they also have Winner and AKMU and GD and Taeyang are supposed to release songs next year ㅋㅋ if they release something digitally, can you even win over them?

3. [+168, -12]
The best comment... seeing how people are even doubting YG now makes me realize how low the age range is. Are there only elementary schoolers left here? Don't you guys know why they are considered "big"...? To be honest, the Big 3 in our country are still SM, YG and JYP. If the Big 3 collapsed, we can add another one then but from what I see, SM, YG and JYP are still the Big 3

4. [+128, -161]
To be honest, I'm not sure about YG's position anymore

5. [+109, -3]

Seems like the comments here don't even know the meaning of "big company" and are just written by a choding fan of HYBEㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

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Imma have to disagree with this

I think all 4 companies have it good

but i think YG grpups are on the bottom when it comes to stage presence (Minus 2NE1)

Quote from Blue2012

Facts facts facts.

Aside from the fact that the BIG 3 is about cultural impact, the Big 3 will never change.

I mean YG's founder was in the group that started Kpop, Seo Taiji and Boys.

But from a finacial standpoint I guess I can understand the JYP thing as they're the smallest of them all. Their entire year's revenue is equal to that of 1 quarter for YG.

But JYP is not like SM and YG which are multinational conglomerates with several subsidiaries in several industries which are publicly-traded themselves while JYP is still largely just a music label.

SM and YG are expanding their businesses and pretty much are embedded in the entertainment industry.

From an impact standpoint SM perfected the trainee system...YG basically started everything we know about Kpop now...hip-hop, mini albums, massive tours.

BIGBANG was the first to do a sold out North American tour. GD is still the only solo artist to do so.

BIGBANG just had the biggest boy group song of the year without even trying and they're about to start their solo stuff, which they've solidified themselves as the only group that are just as big solo as the group is.

BLACKPINK was the biggest gg this year without any Korean promos.

YG groups still hold many of the touring records.

TREASURE is about to be the biggest touring act of 4th gen once their numbers are accumulated from this tour. Which is no surprise because YG is the biggest touring label.

Although Stray Kids and TREASURE are the only 4th gen boy groups that are able to get big views, so it looks like those 2 are the main 2 boy groups that'll battle it out over the next few years. But that's not something uncommon for YG...BIGBANG was always pitted against the next big boy group and always won...SJ, then EXO etc.

Same with BLACKPINK. So YG is used to it.

So from a cultural and branding impact SM, YG and JYP are it. But JYP doesn't gave the financial power and sway SM and YG have.

Agree with the Knetz here. Hybe just bought a bunch of groups so they don't have a distinct brand Koreans or Kpop fans can cling to as they didn't create them. So buying up labels (while going into massive debt) really doesn't do anything from a cultural impact and makes them more, not so much generic, but definitely not distinctive. They just feel like a company buying up smaller labels, kind of like the Walmart of Kpop.

Based on the responses in this thread, my decision to start back up the YG Business News thread in the new year will certainly help some folks to be better educated on this.

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I agree that people are underestimating Treasure. They seem to be on a steady upswing. I checked out a couple of recent concert vids and they seem to be regularly selling out arenas internationally.

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Imma have to disagree with this

I think all 4 companies have it good

but i think YG grpups are on the bottom when it comes to stage presence (Minus 2NE1)

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Bigbang easily has the most stage presence out of all the kpop groups I have seen, including 2NE1. CL is the only member that comes close.