[enter-talk] WHO OPENED THE 4TH GENERATION FOR FEMALE IDOLS?

There was a post on Theqoo not long ago asking who opened the 4th generation for female idols

The opinions all differed so nobody came to a conclusion

So with Pann's upvoting system, let's find out

Who do you think opened the 4th generation?

Aespa - Next Level vote up

ITZY - Dalla Dalla vote down

post response:

[+64][-47]

original post: here

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. [+46, -7]

The 2nd generation was Bigbang's Lies and Wonder Girls' Tell Me. The 3rd generation was EXO Growl and Twice Cheer Up, And you think that the 4th generation is ITZY's Dalla Dalla? Honestly even as another group's fan, I can tell that AESPA's Next Level opened

2. [+39, -5]

Every time people discuss about this, I always get f*cking dumbfounded. ITZY debuted in February 2019 and at that time Travel (Twice, RV, BP) were the best so ITZY couldn't even get #1 in the daily chart. And you think that they opened the 4th generation by distinguishing themselves from Travel? At least try to make some sense, anyone can tell that ITZY is 3.5 and NMIXX is the real 4th gen

4. [+31, -2]

Dalla Dalla wasn't even able to achieve #1 in the daily chart, what opening the 4th generation?

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. [+26, -0]

ITZY is 3.5 why are people trying to make them crawl to the 4th generation all the time? They're the same from AOA and Apink who were 2.5 generation

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which is strange to me. Exo (3rd gen) debuted in 2912. NCT (also 3rd gen) debuted 4 years later, in 2016. This is longer gap than between Itzy (2019) and now.

2012?

Personally i consider next level as the main starting point for 4th gen ggs era in sk. Doesn't mean i don't think itzy is not a 4th gen group.

It's similar to how i consider mgt as starting of 3rd gen gg era but does not mean rv and mmm aren't 3rd gen groups.

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what is mgt?

Me gustus tu by Gfriend. It was the first big hit by a 3rd gen gg

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what year it was released?

2015.

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then why it's not MMM with Um Oh Ah Yeah? both songs were released in 2015 and MMM song ranks higher on Melon digital chart? their release dates are pretty similar?

Mgt - 5.2M uls on Melon

The song had great longevity, 60+ weeks on charts. Pretty much a top song of the year of 2015 along with the likes of big bang bang bang bang. It was even the first idol group song to surpass 100M streams on gaon iirc. Peaked low but made history.

The mmm song 4.6M uls.

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yes, commulatevely up to this date Gfriend song has more ULs. But we are talking about what was bigger in 2015 and the only source I have is gaon chart and in digital chart MMM song is higher that Gfriend song. This is why I asked.

No mgt is simply the bigger song irrespective of the other song being higher in 2015. Mgt stats + impact out does mmm song by a long shot. Yeah mgt doesn't have the best peak but overall it's big. Like just by the fact it did 100M streams before any idol song back then.

Keep in mind that Gfriend debuted that year and was from a small company. Mmm most probably was better established.

Also @laleria mgt entered 2015 amd 2016 yearly gaon charts. It ranked 38 in 2015 and 27 in 2016.

The mmm song only did one year at 27 in 2015. Correct me if i am wrong.

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but by what stats? I checked Gaon chart, and Mamamoo song was higher in both streaming and digital chart.

For now, based on data I see, i disagree with the statement that Gfriend song opened 3rd gen for girl groups.

The stats are literally in front of you lol.

Even if you don't consider mgt, the closest will be rough /cheer up. So 2016 will then be the starting point anyways. Before that 3rd gen ggs had no impact either.

Anyways this is the first time i heard of this mmm song while mgt is given national hit level status by many.

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and this is the first time for me to hear about this gfriend song. Don't know what it proves, honestly.

Nothing. Lol

But i can see why u may have missed out on gfriend song. They really lost their clout. I used to always take part in national hit discussions and it's a song that used to be brought up often by many 3rd gen stans. For its impact + charting.

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Yes, you are right, i just checked. They have really good longevity

But in this case, what about Up& Down by Exid? It was released mid 2014 by Exid (debuted in 2012). This song also entered digital chart two years ina row, but I don't know about their ULs, honestly.

I guess it's an equivalent song ? But ul wise it has only 4.5M . That's less than the mmm song. But do we consider exid a 3rd gen gg? I mean for bgs exo who debuted in 2012 in considered as start of 3rd gen but for ggs I feel no one considers these groups as 3rd gen.

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they were popular for their fancam, where despite of falling down due to slippery floor, they continued dancing and performing

I think that slippery stage performance is what blew up both me gustas Tu and gfriend