The Produce type shows lost credibility after the voting manipulation... even if not, still it got jaded.
IOI was too short to benefit, Kep1er too late - the perfect beneficiaries were Iz*one.
Izone was also lucky in that they came when 3rd gen was already cemented, there were very few major 3.5 debuts.. - so they looked fresh.. but look at Kep1er's year,, 4th gen massive rivals are taking off. lots of competition.
Rest is about choice of songs, management strategies etc.,
Display Moreas usual ifans started acting like they were Simon Cowell and prioritized the "talented" trainees who didn't have the visuals or charms to build a large fanbase or public recognition, ifans also made the mistake of obsessing over Chinese trainees (idk why they always have this weird anti-korean mind set every time there is a show with mix nationals it's so annoying), lots of the good Korean trainees got booted, in part because of ifans and because of mnet stupid elimination system
But of course, "talent" won. And now there are girls in Kep1er that no one but their fans care about.
And YES. I know I sound bitter. That's the point.
I don't even know what you are saying, I can't follow it, Chinese contestants got so little of the vote that the only one to make it in literally only just squeeze in at 9th
And Korean contestants took the Top 6 spots in a 9 member group they clearly dominated by any possible metric
So I am left wondering who on earth these "talented girls ifans voted in that no one care about in Kepler" even are?
edit - maybe I missunderstand your post
Display MoreThe trainee pool already wasn't that great but to make matters worse Mnet pushed all the wrong the girls, and as usual ifans started acting like they were Simon Cowell and prioritized the "talented" trainees who didn't have the visuals or charms to build a large fanbase or public recognition, ifans also made the mistake of obsessing over Chinese trainees (idk why they always have this weird anti-korean mind set every time there is a show with mix nationals it's so annoying), lots of the good Korean trainees got booted, in part because of ifans and because of mnet stupid elimination system, and Koreans for some strange reason thought that Chaehyun McBland was a good candidate for the group and god only knows why but for #1 as well.
The group that would have actually been popular with the general public had Mnet done their jobs
Gu Yi Zhou ( had NO political scandal with China and was a visual that Mnet never pushed until the very last) on top of it she had great variety sense and was talented.
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The other waste was the Japanese trainee Ikema Ruan. Koreans really liked her visual as well but like Yizhou she wasn't pushed.
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Bahiyiih stans gonna be mad but Guin Myah would have been a more popular pick for the wasian. Koreans actually loved her a lot and she was popular internationally as well. Yeah, she wouldn't have had Bahiyiih's huge fanbase but in this scenario, they wouldn't even have been necessary had Mnet done the job correctly.
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And of freaking course, we cannot forget Yurina. She should have been in the group with Xiaoting.
These two were the Wonyoung-Yujin that never got to be.
Yurina really has the makings of a star too
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But of course, "talent" won. And now there are girls in Kep1er that no one but their fans care about.
And YES. I know I sound bitter. That's the point.
Honorary mention of Chen Hsin Wei who could have been huge if not for her political statement with China. She had the makings to be a stand-out visual if not the visual of the group. She was freaking funny too.
Oh, and also that girl who had the amazing Aura until she for whatever reason butchered it with that haircut.
you're on something lol. the show was 100% fanvoted and the korean vote mattered the most. so calling anyone who didn't make the group "loved by korean fans" is a gross overexaggerating. korean fans wanted the whole group to be korean by the end of the show.
also yeseo and xiaoting were honestly two of the top visuals on the show.
To OP's question
are we seeing the end of the appeal of these Competition show formed groups?
MTG's group Class:y is going even worse from what I can tell
Maybe the whole rigging stuff has made people less accepting of their faves being eliminated from these shows, now you feel justified in thinking something shady could happen and if so, how could you support them?
you're on something lol. the show was 100% fanvoted and the korean vote mattered the most. so calling anyone who didn't make the group "loved by korean fans" is a gross overexaggerating. korean fans wanted the whole group to be korean by the end of the show.
also yeseo and xiaoting were honestly two of the top visuals on the show.
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What are you talking about? I never said the Korean votes didn't matter the most. If anything they were part of the problem too and because of them Chaehyun not only made the group but was #1.
If you're talking about the part where I mentioned the anti-korean sentiment by ifans I am talking about the negative attitude they always have toward K trainees (they were like this too with the Japanese trainees in produce48) which was annoying because a lot of their choices weren't the kinds that would do well with the general public. But it was also Mnet fault for pushing those girls to begin with.
If you're referring to the parts where I mentioned a lot of the good Korean trainees being eliminated I was blaming that on Mnet's shitty elimination system.
I was word vomiting so I was just listing off a bunch of my grievances so not eveything is perfectly outlined how I mean them.
Edit: Xiaoting yes, but as for Yeseo she honestly wasn't all that tbh.
Display MoreTo OP's question
are we seeing the end of the appeal of these Competition show formed groups?
MTG's group Class:y is going even worse from what I can tell
Maybe the whole rigging stuff has made people less accepting of their faves being eliminated from these shows, now you feel justified in thinking something shady could happen and if so, how could you support them?
class:y also has 4 members under 16, which might turn people off
e/ the problem with all these survival shows is they dilute the talent pool, as they are all spread out.
even look at &audition of hybe, its a bunch of guy who failed to get in en-
Hmm. People may not be buzzing about them the way they do other trendy groups like Ive or New Jeans, but it looks they’re actually doing just fine, just not charting well in melon.
I thought I read that Wa Da Da just reached 100m streams?
I also just saw a story today about their sales and it looks like sales for the new album are pretty comparable with the old album (a little softer yes but not as drastic as the title says.) I know sales are given less importance than streams but the fact they could almost match sales says their fanbase is still there.
Looking further, they are the top selling group that debuted this year.
FWIW, I think they waited too long for a second job and let a fickle marketplace turn its attention to many other groups. I also think they lack a core identity to describe them: StayC, Ive and New Jeans have really clear brand identities to me. NMIXX kind of has this problem too but I think they’re interesting enough and so talented vocally and dance that people are willing to give them a second look.
Amidst all the craze over Attention, Hybe Boy, Love Dive, Afterlike, and even Fearless, i've actually seen Wadada show up in some global charts and i think it did good in Japan. They might have an opportunity to make some inroads there and challenge Itzy, LSRFM and Ive for the 4th gen Japanese GG crown.
They need to make a song & concept like MVSK but edgier and give Xiaoting more lines (she can rap just give it to her) and center part, i bet the song will be a hit.
queendom did more harm than good
Bahiyyih
Display MoreThe trainee pool already wasn't that great but to make matters worse Mnet pushed all the wrong the girls, and as usual ifans started acting like they were Simon Cowell and prioritized the "talented" trainees who didn't have the visuals or charms to build a large fanbase or public recognition, ifans also made the mistake of obsessing over Chinese trainees (idk why they always have this weird anti-korean mind set every time there is a show with mix nationals it's so annoying), lots of the good Korean trainees got booted, in part because of ifans and because of mnet stupid elimination system, and Koreans for some strange reason thought that Chaehyun McBland was a good candidate for the group and god only knows why but for #1 as well.
The group that would have actually been popular with the general public had Mnet done their jobs
Gu Yi Zhou ( had NO political scandal with China and was a visual that Mnet never pushed until the very last) on top of it she had great variety sense and was talented.
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The other waste was the Japanese trainee Ikema Ruan. Koreans really liked her visual as well but like Yizhou she wasn't pushed.
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Bahiyiih stans gonna be mad but Guin Myah would have been a more popular pick for the wasian. Koreans actually loved her a lot and she was popular internationally as well. Yeah, she wouldn't have had Bahiyiih's huge fanbase but in this scenario, they wouldn't even have been necessary had Mnet done the job correctly.
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And of freaking course, we cannot forget Yurina. She should have been in the group with Xiaoting.
These two were the Wonyoung-Yujin that never got to be.
Yurina really has the makings of a star too
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But of course, "talent" won. And now there are girls in Kep1er that no one but their fans care about.
And YES. I know I sound bitter. That's the point.
Honorary mention of Chen Hsin Wei who could have been huge if not for her political statement with China. She had the makings to be a stand-out visual if not the visual of the group. She was freaking funny too.
Oh, and also that girl who had the amazing Aura until she for whatever reason butchered it with that haircut.
I wanted Gu Yizhou so much T_T I really do feel like they lack visuals.
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