Kpop is literally anything but woke. It is conservative, it is patriarchal, it is not inclusive, it is not any other whatever buzzword you use. Most of your boys are conservative and would only marry a Korean trad wife, lets be honest. Like majority of Korean men are openly anti feminist, what makes you think your faves aren't?
I really don't understand why does Kpop attract so many western woke stans
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It helps their street cred to stan non white celebrities
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It helps their street cred to stan non white celebrities
Such good allies
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Hmm wonder why it attracts so many trolls...
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Hmm wonder why it attracts so many trolls...
I wouldn't go as far as labeling woke people as trolls
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I don't think it's KPOP, it's everything in general that attract western woke stans.
Literally a few weeks ago me and my friends we were like joking about some stuff (which I will not mention), and my friend was like "eh you can't say that later you get cancelled", and we continued our convo bitching about how stupid it is that saying certain stuff would be cancellable because everyone is so woke, and how the western wokeness has slowly spread into our culture as well.
Yes, we spend another good 10 - 15 min bitching about all you woke ass bitches who gets pressed over literally everything. Yes you I'm talking about you whoever that is reading this if you feel offended yes we are talking about you
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and how the western wokeness has slowly spread into our culture as well.
Non western wokies are even more obnoxious, cuz they are desperate for that validation, them hard tries.
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I wouldn't go as far as labeling woke people as trolls
Neither would I
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The amount of people thinking they have the right to be offended about something they barely know about is astonishing.
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Because pop music attracts young people?
Even the system that produces the idols should not be something woke people support.
But like everything, we (I will include my self) ignore the shitty idol factory system because we like staining kpop as a hobby, so we close our eyes to the shit.
They are ready to cancel someone for wearing braids, but a system that basically is built on breaking child labor laws (Korea has different laws than the west), with unfair contract situations and so much corruption and abuse, nah we will ignore those things because we do not want to stop supporting our faves and giving money to their companies.
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They are ready to cancel someone for wearing braids, but a system that basically is built on breaking child labor laws (Korea has different laws than the west), with unfair contract situations and so much corruption and abuse, nah we will ignore those things because we do not want to stop supporting our faves and giving money to their companies.
There is actually a term for what you just described. That's called performative activism. Trust me, they don't give a damn about braids either, it is just a virtue signaling.
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It's kinda ironic to see woke left-leaning stans fighting about album sales, charts when K-pop in this regard is peak capitalism.
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Kpop is literally anything but woke. It is conservative, it is patriarchal, it is not inclusive, it is not any other whatever buzzword you use. Most of your boys are conservative and would only marry a Korean trad wife, lets be honest. Like majority of Korean men are openly anti feminist, what makes you think your faves aren't?
yeah, right?
cos when did kpop fans cancelled an idol for some stupid thing
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yeah, right?
cos when did kpop fans cancelled an idol for some stupid thing
i don't think k-pop fans cancel idols because of their ignorant actions, usually it's just to drag so they have something to do or to get their faves more popular
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But I mean, people start listening to Kpop without knowing how dirty and corrupted the industry is or how conservative the Korean society is. IMO, given how dead pop is in the West (compared to some years ago), westerners being so into Kpop and its catchy tunes were bound to happen.
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i don't think k-pop fans cancel idols because of their ignorant actions, usually it's just to drag so they have something to do or to get their faves more popular
if they are not polite enough, if the don´t bow 90°
if they don´t smile enough, or forget to be tired and put a fake smile on their faces when they don´t know the camera is filming
if they are on a hiden camera, and being set up, and they don´t act perfect.
if what they are wearing is to revealing (specially for girls) and they are happy with that
if ....i have heard so many stupid reasons
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if they are not polite enough, if the don´t bow 90°
if they don´t smile enough, or forget to be tired and put a fake smile on their faces when they don´t know the camera is filming
No one ever was canceled for this shit. I mean some people surely might've bitched on the internet, pann girls probably, however saying someone got cancelled for this is literally an overreaction.
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I’m not entirely sure either, or I wasn’t before reading this thread, but some people gave some pretty good answers and logical explanations and I think it makes slightly more sense why now.
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But I mean, people start listening to Kpop without knowing how dirty and corrupted the industry is or how conservative the Korean society is. IMO, given how dead pop is in the West (compared to some years ago), westerners being so into Kpop and its catchy tunes were bound to happen.
No one is telling westerners not to enjoy the music, just keep your culture where you are. I am not attacking idols for eating pork just because in my culture it is forbidden, so why the hell would someone else attack idols for doing things that are taboo in their own culture?
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But I mean, people start listening to Kpop without knowing how dirty and corrupted the industry is or how conservative the Korean society is. IMO, given how dead pop is in the West (compared to some years ago), westerners being so into Kpop and its catchy tunes were bound to happen.
True, most western consumers of kpop will never get to involved into knowing the system, to them is just fun, a bit foreign candy pop.
Only very few will ever get too involved like posters here.
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If you’re talking about woke people, then you’re talking about the west lmao. There’s your answer. It’s pop music, it appeals to more liberal spaces. Conservative Kpop fans probably keep their interest on the down low
I’m one (a conservative K-Pop fan) and I’m pretty open about it to other people, but I do see your point and generally agree with you.
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Because boy groups break gender norms, and liberals enjoy supporting women who try to "make it" in tough industries.
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if they are not polite enough, if the don´t bow 90°
if they don´t smile enough, or forget to be tired and put a fake smile on their faces when they don´t know the camera is filming
if they are on a hiden camera, and being set up, and they don´t act perfect.
if what they are wearing is to revealing (specially for girls) and they are happy with that
if ....i have heard so many stupid reasons
No one ever was canceled for this shit. I mean some people surely might've bitched on the internet, pann girls probably, however saying someone got cancelled for this is literally an overreaction.
in korea they would.
Western fans may "cancel" (really people just use it to criticize) for woke stuff, but in Korea they could be "cancelled" for not respecting Korean norms, like bowing or not using formal speech to elders, ect.
It has to be a hard line to walk.
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I really find it ironic that the majority of Kpop fans are super left leaning yet stan celebrities that are most likely pretty conservative and wouldn’t share their views.
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in korea they would.
Western fans may "cancel" (really people just use it to criticize) for woke stuff, but in Korea they could be "cancelled" for not respecting Korean norms, like bowing or not using formal speech to elders, ect.
It has to be a hard line to walk.
As I said, it literally never happened. I've seen idols being criticized for their bowing, but it never led to cancellation.
And I think you're kinda missing the point here. Koreans can do whatever they want, it is their culture, their country. This is about western fans judging Korean idols according to their own western beliefs. The comparison to this would be Koreans cancelling western celebrities for not bowing.
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Most of my conservative buddies are male, maybe I’m looking into their perspective too much. I don’t think I have any conservative female friends so that’s a new perspective!
No worries, you’re completely fine, I just wanted to introduce a new one. I will say it’s a tiny bit tricky. Some conservatives probably find me a bit unusual for being into K-Pop of all things, because of how it’s not one of those toxic masculinity type interests if you know what I mean. On the other hand, most K-Pop fans are confused how I can be one and be conservative. So, it’s like I’m in both groups, and they both simultaneously accept that I’m in both, while also not really. It depends on the specific person and varies quite a bit.
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to fan signs to educate them
They did what???
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No one ever was canceled for this shit. I mean some people surely might've bitched on the internet, pann girls probably, however saying someone got cancelled for this is literally an overreaction.
but they are dragg to hell like Nancy
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As I said, it literally never happened. I've seen idols being criticized for their bowing, but it never led to cancellation.
And I think you're kinda missing the point here. Koreans can do whatever they want, it is their culture, their country. This is about western fans judging Korean idols according to their own western beliefs. The comparison to this would be Koreans cancelling western celebrities for not bowing.
but it is very similar to the cancell mind set
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They did what???
They go to online fan signs to educate idols about things
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As I said, it literally never happened. I've seen idols being criticized for their bowing, but it never led to cancellation.
Because we are exaggerating what cancellation means, very few idols have been 'cancelled'.
The only idols that have been actually cancelled are those with bully rumors or drug use rumors.
What you and others here are talking about is when people go on social media and demand an apology from a company or and idol for something they took offense to.
Like when an idol says the N-word, or when a group uses some religious background, people just take to social media demanding apologies. But that is not cancelling.
Even Red Velvet Irene is not really cancelled even if she is getting hate from Korean society for being "rude", even after she apologized. That is not woke westerners doing that.
QuoteAnd I think you're kinda missing the point here. Koreans can do whatever they want, it is their culture, their country. This is about western fans judging Korean idols according to their own western beliefs. The comparison to this would be Koreans cancelling western celebrities for not bowing.
Is a business, customers can demand what ever they want, is up to the companies and the idols to say fvck off with your demands.
So if an idol wears braids, or a group puts a religious building in the background of their song, and some people want to get offended and say if you do not apologize I am taking my business somewhere else, it is their right to do so.
I wish companies had the balls to say 'ok, good bye Karen, take your business somewhere else'.
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Don’t worry I’d never judge you for having different political views. I used to be conservative myself, but now I’m definitely more left leaning. I just purely haven’t made any female conservative friends but I consider that changed now since I met you :)
Also I am Christian so I myself am a rarity of being liberal and semi religious lol
Thank you! That’s nice to hear. That’s perfectly fine, some people’s political opinions can and do change and I see no problem in that at all. Yay! Glad I could be one then.
That is true, you must be pretty rare then. As a Christian myself, I just find it cool.
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Also if you look at the overall purpose of cancel culture by woke people, it actually makes sense.
Cancel culture since like the 80s was about limiting freedom of speech on right as an effort to limit their impact on current culture.
now you have kpop, sth conservative that is rising in influence. So one way to make sure it doesn't affect current culture with its conservative ideas, is to become its main consumer and shape it to your own ideals.
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Well there's a lot going on in kpop that attracts young people and between those young people, woke people. Like men going against gender norms and support to the queer community. That's also why there are so many controversies about misogyny and racism in kpop cause the fans are always on the lookout for that type of stuff.
On the other hand, the companies, the management and whatnot are what's conservative. But fans don't see past their faves mostly because they're too naive to
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