The companies of kpop should stop with rigged votes (win in music show)

you make absolutely no sense

They're 10 years late to fix music shows

than fans should stop with the bulk buying and mass streaming projects -_-

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...you re blind ...if you don't notice ...the rigging win..

But Nayeon didn’t lose to a hybe artist.

Nayeon deserved her wins, but if gaon or circle says Fromis is number one music shows can’t do that much. But that’s Gaon’s fault to not filter the sales.

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But Nayeon didn’t lose to a hybe artist.

Nayeon deserved her wins, but if gaon or circle says Fromis is number one music shows can’t do that much. But that’s Gaon’s fault to not filter the sales.

Fromis_9 is under Pledis, which is under HYBE.

Though I don't think it's a HYBE thing. It's the fans using a Bugs exploit to artificially inflate the digital score.

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the kpop industry make money with the sales and stream.

true they are profitable exploits no different than bugs. This is not a new exploit its a reason they havent fixed it yet

This has happened before to twice.

IU and LWY already brought it up but yeah I doubt itll stop anytime soon. Anyway nayeons killing it on kcharts.

It's unfortunate, it really is but right now it's also not 100% the music show's/artist company fault but more so an issue or bug in the way one of the charts are reporting numbers and then fans finding a loop hole and then exploiting it.

From what I heard, they can achieved this by either (dont quote me, I only skimmed a few post because I'm at work, don't have exact details)

1.) They found a way to allow multiple downloads, my understanding is there's some kind of restriction that limits how much you can download?

2.) They found a way to cancel download and redownload and having it count?

Again, I didn't look too much into it but either way, if the Music show is unaware of this issue, it's probably not their fault.

I'd imagine the staff of the show probably looked at the numbers and thought it looked off too but unless they know what is wrong exactly, they probably have to assume the numbers are good and proceed with the show.

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It's unfortunate, it really is but right now it's also not 100% the music show's/artist company fault but more so an issue or bug in the way one of the charts are reporting numbers and then fans finding a loop hole and then exploiting it.

From what I heard, they can achieved this by either (dont quote me, I only skimmed a few post because I'm at work, don't have exact details)

1.) They found a way to allow multiple downloads, my understanding is there's some kind of restriction that limits how much you can download?

2.) They found a way to cancel download and redownload and having it count?

Again, I didn't look too much into it but either way, if the Music show is unaware of this issue, it's probably not their fault.

I'd imagine the staff of the show probably looked at the numbers and thought it looked off too but unless they know what is wrong exactly, they probably have to assume the numbers are good and proceed with the show.

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downloads are linked to the account so once its linked it cant be downloaded again. There is a loophole if you create an account as a minor (under 14) when you go to download you need adult verification. If you dont accept the adult verification you can still buy the song if its not 18+ but it wont link the account so you can buy it multiple times. This isnt a new exploit and has been done numerous times.

so who is doing the rigging?

hybe?

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so who is doing the rigging?

hybe?

Nah I feel it existed even before hybe came into being....

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Yes ...i am sure

and what are they doing exactly to rig the votes...

obviously that's highly scandalous and should be reported to the authorities!!!

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and what are they doing exactly to rig the votes...

obviously that's highly scandalous and should be reported to the authorities!!!

It's the fans using an exploit in the Bugs chart that can boost the digital score.

So hard to pin it on any one company.

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It's unfortunate, it really is but right now it's also not 100% the music show's/artist company fault but more so an issue or bug in the way one of the charts are reporting numbers and then fans finding a loop hole and then exploiting it.

I agree that inflated downloads can lead to abnormal or unusual music show wins.

But this begs the question: why don't ONCEs also exploit this loophole? I've often heard people say that ONCE is a "lazy" fandom, so perhaps there's some truth to that.

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The police should resolve the problem...if the k-onces wish nayeon win...

There is kbs music bank scandal...hybe did same thing...

well I'm not versed in previous scandals so can you explain it for me better?

are k-onces reporting such to the authorities?

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I agree that inflated downloads can lead to abnormal or unusual music show wins.

But this begs the question: why don't ONCEs also exploit this loophole? I've often heard people say that ONCE is a "lazy" fandom, so perhaps there's some truth to that.

I don't think they knew about the loophole. But, yeah ONCE aren't the best at voting and shit like that. They do buy a tremendous amount of albums and merchandise.

nayeon could've won 100% if she released her song on monday not friday

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The k onces can nothing done cause other side lwy fans re ajummas tho this is easy ..I don't know the situation is hard for nayeon.

well then such is life...

when a more powerful group with better resources use their power to your disadvantage...

Now onces are accused of being lazy

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Now onces are accused of being lazy

In a way, it's true. Or rather, the general Once fandom isn't great at voting and social engagement.

Instead a lot of Once buy albums and merchandise, and buy concert tickets. It's a different way of being a fan.

I'd rather do that for them than get music show wins anyday.

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I don't think they knew about the loophole. But, yeah ONCE aren't the best at voting and shit like that. They do buy a tremendous amount of albums and merchandise.

According to the post below from the other thread on this subject, the fandom was aware of the exploit as well, which is what I would expect.

My guess is that this perceived "laziness" stems from a sense of complacency. Twice was simply so dominant for a number of years that fans just expected them to keep winning without the fandom having to put in much work.

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Bugs is actually supposed to allow one download per Korean id but according to K-Onces and Fromis fans themselves, there's a bug where you can buy multiple times with the same account if you register as under 14 with a Korean id.

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Jyp is the problem ..now .yes maybe i know they wish success on billboard chart...the reason,she released pop friday

yup it'ss one of the main problem. Next week i think aespa will lose against enhypen. They have more advantage than aespa who will release their song on friday.

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According to the post below from the other thread on this subject, the fandom was aware of the exploit as well, which is what I would expect.

No one on the international side knew before this happened tho

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I agree that inflated downloads can lead to abnormal or unusual music show wins.

But this begs the question: why don't ONCEs also exploit this loophole? I've often heard people say that ONCE is a "lazy" fandom, so perhaps there's some truth to that.

Who knows why or why not, Onces just didn't. Even if Onces are lazy, does this justify allowing this to happen? It would be odd to say "well Once shoulda exploited it too, it's their fault they didn't"

The resolution to an issue shouldn't be to fight fire with fire right? That's like saying in a presidential election, if the republicans found a way to mail multiple ballots and have the votes count but then deciding this is okay and no change is necessary because the democratic party had the same access to such loophole.

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According to the post below from the other thread on this subject, the fandom was aware of the exploit as well, which is what I would expect.

My guess is that this perceived "laziness" stems from a sense of complacency. Twice was simply so dominant for a number of years that fans just expected them to keep winning without the fandom having to put in much work.

Yeah sometimes there’s a sentiment of just being twice are big, we shouldn’t vote but I don’t think onces are lazy, there had been a lot of voting polls and when twice were winning it’s just no one thought fromis would be #1 in digitals. I mean she’s #15 on circles. It was just unexpected.

And onces weren’t aware of the bugs downloads thing.

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Who knows why or why not, Onces just didn't. Even if Onces are lazy, does this justify allowing this to happen? It would be odd to say "well Once shoulda exploited it too, it's their fault they didn't"

The resolution to an issue shouldn't be to fight fire with fire right? That's like saying in a presidential election, if the republicans found a way to mail multiple ballots and have the votes count but then deciding this is okay and no change is necessary because the democratic party had the same access to such loophole.

fr if onces would have done same tricks people would’ve said it’s unfair to these groups because they’re less successful but nayeon’s debut was a success ! Let’s be real.

Sorry if we didn’t mass download lol

fromis_9 currently tops Weekly Album Chart and Download Chart covering last tracking week so I won't be surprised if they'll bag another win.

Honestly, fighting against this is kind of useless, because all fandoms bulk buy downloads. The problem is that some do to a bigger extent than others.