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I have no problem with idols getting PS as long as it isn't forced upon them and it's their own choice. I'm also not one of those K-pop fans who are overtly obsessed with which idol has done what - since we can't be 100% sure what's the real cause behind changes anyway, whether that's make up & styling, angle, photoshoot editing, weight/health changes etc aside from PS.

If idols have done some PS, I only hope they can be happy with the result themselves. After all, it's no 100% guarantee that you get the exact outcome that you were aiming for as can be seen by many middle age female actresses in the West.

The only problem I have with PS, is this weird obsession that many K-pop fans have with it, and specifically where those people love to talk PS about OTHER idols than their biases but their own biases are offlimits. The reason for this that it's so obvious that in practically all those cases the PS claim/discussion is being instigated in bad faith, with malicious motivation being the engine behind it.

It's always great this kinda behind the scenes videos of artists

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I seriously doubt they actually forgot about her; they most likely pissed her off some other way. I suspect she holds a lot more sway at SM than most other artists, which is how she can complain so much and get away with it, but they have this unhealthy relationship where SM fails to keep her satisfied but she refuses to ever leave anyway, possibly because she knows she'd have a lesser stature at another company.

Yeah, I suspect there's more behind that story.

Oh, this one is easy to answer, simple really: newer groups, and newer rising groups to hate and feel threatened by

2nd gen obviously, because of the many, MANY variety shows filled with idols of all kinda groups and the focus on variety, and because of the many collaborations between groups.

It was chaotic fun, with all the idol groups together feeling part of some funnily dysfunctional family , and I'm glad that I experienced at least the latter years of 2nd gen K-pop.

I feel so sad that they're leaving, but I understand. At least Wendy and Yeri will stick around for Red Velvet group activities

But now I understand why Wendy and Yeri weren't at SM Town.

But still kinda weird that Taeyeon was 'forgotten' or skipped though

As always, her visuals are absurd.

It girl, for a reason.

Thing is, for every fandom big enough there will have been some feuds with other big fandoms by some members, however small the group, of fandom A vs fandom B.

But on the whole spectrum from black to white, there will have been fairly minor feuds and also large, longlasting and intense fanwars with even hate crusades and slander campaigns.

I thought Reveluvs and Blinks were getting along fairly ok with the whole BlackVelvet thing - at the least, Blinks cured me from my YG stan/Blackjack vs Sone fanwar PTSD with their overall chill attitude towards Red Velvet and Reveluv. I always thought that MooMoos and Reveluv were getting along pretty well, certainly in the early years when the groups themselves were closer.

And usually the gg fandoms of ggs of the same fandom are getting along well with eachother.

Not sure how it is with bg fandoms of groups of the same fandom.

Thing is, for every fandom big enough there will have been some feuds with other big fandoms

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fandoms only get along if they don't perceive the other one as a threat

This!!

Which also somewhat explains the weird in-company fanwars that were going on between (or better said, towards) SNSD and Sone by ELF and Cassies. Add to that jealousy of SNSD girls allegedly getting too close to Super Junior and DBSK members, and you'll get an intense, hot burning and longlasting feud.

Aside from my ultimate bias groups SNSD and Red Velvet, I found the discography of T-ARA, Wonder Girls, 2NE1, NewJeans and (G)I-dle really impressive.

For boy groups I can't really say, I've listened to too few of them extensively, but NCT did impress me with the songs and wide range and variety of the songs I heard so far: from 7th Sense to Boss, Baby Don't Stop, Yestoday, Misfit, Ten's Dream In A Dream, Superhuman, Regular, Make A Wish, 90s Love and others, they were really very enjoyable and so different from eachother too.

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Feb 25th 2024

Thanks! I started on the Min Heejin interview article, haven't read it through entirely (it's a LOT!) - but the impressions I got from what I read, is that Bang Si-Hyuk managed to recruit MHJ when she was vulnerable, after she just quit SM, with the promise that MHJ would launch HYBE's first original girl group.

Then, as time progressed, strategies and ideas changed, and HYBE CEO's decided they wanted to debut Le Sserafim first, while still making use of the hype and buzz created by MHJ's involvement. Then, after this, relationships between HYBE CEO's and MHJ gradually deteriorated more and more: this Park Jiwon and Bang Si-Hyuk acted like typical CEO's as CEO's always do, 'it's my way or the high way', and started to make moves to get rid of MHJ and create a backup alternative girl group to NewJeans, Illit.

From what I see, Hybe or at least Bang Si-Hyuk needed MHJ to have her create a girl group for them and learn the tricks for this from her, using her expertise. As soon as MHJ became too difficult as an employee, and they'd learned enough to create girl groups confidently, they started to look for ways to get rid of her or at the least assume absolute control.

But, I haven't read up on the rest of all the drama yet, maybe there's some more angles to this

To the question in the OP, while I agree with a number of reasons people already mentioned, I also think it isn't always a 'bad faith' move, or on purpose. I think it's also often an 'I/we know better' or a 'let's try this first' of the management vs idols' opinions, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Let's be fair, idols' opinions and ideas aren't always better even if it's about their own career - I recall Taeyeon saying she disliked 'Gee' and didn't think it would become a hit when the company switched from 'Dancing Queen' to 'Gee' - yet it became the song that launched SNSD into the stratosphere.

Same for netizens and K-pop fans, it's easy to be armchair generals or say in hindsight 'the company should have done this or that better' - everyone can be truthtelling prophets, in hindsight. But how many times have K-pop fans predicted a song was a flop and bad move and a group has become a flop - only for that song to become a monster hit or that group to rise up and become extremely popular and successful?

Company people can be wrong, idols can be wrong, netizens and K-pop fans can be wrong.

I also think that it's a matter of resource limits and core strengths of each company. Due to limited resources in money and available supporting talent, companies need to decide what group should get focus first and get access to those resources, and decide how to spend those for maximum effect.

This may run against the inbuilt limitations and weaknesses of a company.

For example, SM simply doesn't have the expertise, connections and networking structure for international/western expansion, even if they want to and try to for their groups. Which makes it harder for SM to make their groups grow outside Asia, at least harder than other companies. Fans might pull out their hairs about the many missed international opportunities of their groups - but it's not as if that's SM's strength.

And YG, for years, YG has had its entire organisational structure built around having their groups' songs not be bought but be produced only inhouse by a few genius composers/songwriters, and only the highest quality was acceptable. But this production and brand building philosophy has the weakness your song and album production will be inconsistent and comebacks sparse - fans might complain to high heavens about the long hiatuses of their groups, but YG's way of producing songs simply can't deliver more due to its limited capacity.

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in sm case, they never EVER want the idol to be bigger than the company or the group

? I think you're talking about JYPE where the whole 'Suzy bigger than Miss A' affair has traumatised JYP and his people so much that they decided to never ever let the idol get bigger than the group again.

As for SM, I don't see it: Yoona was bigger than the group when she had tv show super hit and started to be IT girl, and so far SM always seems to be pushing the most popular member at a time to get even bigger, providing more opportunities, gigs, CFs etc.

Which makes sense, if it helps a member, then it helps the group too - unless it grows into a Suzy vs Miss A situation, but that won't happen every time.

Maybe the first question is, would IOI have done better than Mamamoo and GFriend in the long run?

It's amazing that aside from TWICE, BP, RV, it gets hard to think of other successful 3rd gen groups aside from Mamamoo and GFriend, that shows how thin the 3rd gen lineup actually had been compared with other gens.

Not sure how IOI would have done in the long run, but one thing is for sure: Somi's career and popularity would have been a whole lot better than it is these days.

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I double checked the thread date to be sure it wasn't from a year ago lol The OP took me back in time, before all the mayhem went down. Magnetic is really great!

Yeah, I'm a bit late

I even missed all the mayhem apparently, I'm guessing it's the Illit-Newjeans controversy and HYBE-Ador's MHJ fighting where Illit got dragged into?

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I know this is a two year old thread but I just wanted to reply with some receipts. When old fans say Irene is mistreated, they mean her specifically and not Red Velvet. While RV itself faces mistreatment, Irene experiences it even more.

"The list of Red Velvet career-long(until now) solo/collab projects
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【P1】variety show（longer-term）
【P2】film and television
【P3】music"

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Whenever you saw Irene worked with brands, remember those brands sought her out because of her popularity, not because of SM. These brands are usually major names so SM couldn’t afford to miss out on the profits.

And now this
"Why Irene can't have photos or props in a fan meeting, but other members can?"
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Not sure what's happening here, I don't read Korean. But if a manager is forbidding Irene to have photos or props, then I think that manager or those managers if it's more than 1 are going too far: at this point the RV members have been in the business for more than 10 years, they're grown adults and some even in their '30s, they can decide for themselves what they want to do when and don't deserve to be treated as kids who're not allowed to have their own opinion and freedom.

As for the mistreating, I don't know if Irene is treated worse than the others or not. But seeing how she just had her solo debut and will have her sub-unit comeback with Seulgi in a few months, I'd say that she's getting proper attention and resources from the company.

If anything, I'd say that it's Joy and especially Yeri are being neglected or forgotten when it comes to personal opportunities and promotion.

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The group as a whole is stable and technically good, and they have 2 great vocalists with 1 pretty good one.

Lily is arguably the best vocalist in the gen. Haewon is also good, but I think Lily is a large reason they are hyped vocally. Without her, it would probably be hard to say they are better than Aespa.

I think Lily could probably stand toe to toe with most 2nd gen and 3rd gen vocal lines. For Haewon, it would depend on the vocalist.

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i considered adding them but with the recent member changes I didn't. I think the OG group had nice vocals, not too familiar with the new members.

I think they are, they have the two best 4th gen vocalists in Lily and Haewon, not sure who would be third. For third gen i think RV and Mamamoo likey clear them at the moment. Wendy and Hwasa are the goats. But I think Nmixx can still get better, they're still very young.

Oh, I wasn't aware that Lily was that good! That makes her better than the main vocalists of many other groups.

' group of the year' on Billboard, 'artist of the year' on vmaj.

I knew Aespa had a great year, but I didn't know it was this fantastic! Well done, Aespa

I also noticed, the members' visuals already looked very good, but seems like their visuals upgraded to even higher levels lately, all the members look even more stunning in the various shoots and photo covers the past month.

Wow, almost 600k and the first week isn't even over. Impressive!

Not sure how Magnetic compares with previous hit songs, but it sounds great!

On second thought, Cheer Up launched TWICE's popularity into the stratosphere, did Magnetic the same for Illit? If not, then it's not on the same level.