Posts by FoReveries

Quote from kazuyakamenashi

I think it's because of her image it's the same bs smoke screen people throw up to say man gets love when woman gets hate. That's a bullshit lie. It's similar to the whole Hyuna situation, people saying her bf isn't getting the same level of scrutiny. Yeah he has the reason she got more is her image. Same here with the CEO of ador you claim you are original and don't copy etc and none of the shady crap then suddenly you are doing exactly what you say you don't especially after seeing the whole fiasco unfold before you. Same shit Hyuna is in claims feminist etc knows her bf had a bad past still choose him knowing so. Certain people getting more criticism than others is normal in these situations. This would be like you saying publicly " im against thieves, then go knowing date a thief and intend to marry them fully knowing so," yeah you'd rightly get shat on for it hypocrisy ticks people off more than the initial crime itself

Isn't this just more gaslighting? Even if I get the point you're trying to make and even if there are individual cases where the situation is different, I thought it was already a proven and done case in many research reports all over the world, that women often gets punished, blamed and criticized harder and with more lasting effects than men, especially in patriarchal societies which, let's face it, is by far the vast majority of nations in the world.

This is nothing new, this has been the default norm since ages past, like for example the Middle Ages where it was almost always women who got burnt at the stakes for being accused of being 'witches' and the cause of everything that went wrong in a village.

Are there really that many who want MHJ to leave, or is it just a vocal few online?

But if so, I guess a number of the people don't really care about the people involved but just want the drama to end, and the easiest way is if MHJ leaves instead of the big main guy of BH/HYBE - regardless who was more morally in the right or not.

The figures in the OP made me curious, so I went to look things up and was a bit shocked: only like 100-150k at most for Japanese albums for TWICE, are these numbers correct? And this is even the most for Japanese album sales for Korean girl groups, this is the top?

I'd expected that with the worldwide increase in album sales, Japanese album sales would increase significantly too, but apparently not?

Is this decrease in album sales an overall Japanese trend, or just for K-pop groups?

I'd expected SNSD's and KARA's sales per album records of 700k-1M to be surpassed in this era, but things took an unexpected turn, apparently.

Unexpected, but well done!

Quote from autumnleaf_soshi

^ there you have it folks versatile pretty much sums up the thread

one does not underestimate the selling power of Big Bang

Digital sales wise

Album sales wise

Tour wise

Big Bang has more sustainability compared to SNSD in all 3 categories.

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Album sales wise (physical wise), I beg to differ, iirc SNSD had bigger album sales which is why YG stans (and bandwagoners) in 2nd gen always made a big deal trivialising album sales as not important, because other groups like EXO and even Super Junior and a girl group like SNSD did better in those.

Also, there are also other (and even better?) indicators, methinks, when it comes to measuring popularity and success, like Gallup, amount of CF's, youtube streams, etc.

... would be an interesting topic for another discussion thread though: what is popularity, how do you define success and popularity? What do you consider as valid indicators for popularity and for success, as useful metrics that can actually objectively be measured (to prevent subjective gut feeling assumptions)? And how would you weigh each contributing stat or indicator, based on reliability and influence?

Quote from Edgeworth

In a few years SM stans will successfully gaslight people into believing RV was bigger than Blackpink, and everyone will go along with it.

If the facts would support that argument then yeah, but so far they don't. And claiming based on publicly available facts that SNSD did better than Bigbang in various metrics isn't gaslighting, but what you're doing, that is gaslighting indeed.

Also, stop trying to sneak in lies/insults trying to paint SNSD fans as 'SM stans' just because you don't know or care how to use sound arguments in a discussion. It's just weak and intellectually lazy ass.

Quote from bbgc

You are correct. I missed the year they topped ..duh.

Nevertheless I still think SNSD was more popular at their peak, by a whisker, using Gallup.

3 straight years at #1 vs. BB's 1 year as #1

Never dropped out of top #5 vs. BB in top #10, also dropping out in 2014

So at their peak, they lead BB. But overall BB is more impactful than SNSD.

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That's interesting, from what I've seen from you on this site is that you often make your arguments based on facts and stats. Would you care to elaborate which metrics you're thinking of when you consider impact and how BB and SNSD compare?

Quote from YamaChwan

I need to save these numbers for when NewJeans tops the survey for the second year in a row this year.

But yes, I echo your sentiment that people shouldn't be attacking each other, as this should be nothing more than a spirited but respectful debate at most.

Well, I do confess that I went into it somewhat more forcefully than my usual to make my point in order to also keep your thread more engaged, so there's that

But yeah, ad hominems and (indirect) insults aren't really needed to have good, lively discussions, that's my view too.

As for Newjeans, you may be happy to know that they were the only girl group in 10 years that topped the Gallup charts (and the 3rd other girl group to do that), and that they have the highest popularity score - 25.7% - after Wonder Girls and Girls' Generation

Interesting!

Seems like JYPE have finally reached the stage where their groups are willing to stay as a group, and not move on elsewhere. That's a good achievement

Quote from bbgc

It is not merely about contributing in songwriting or producing, there are many like that.

G-Dragon, Soyeon, Kahi are members without whom their groups would not have not existed at all or had a career - it is in that sense that they are similar, production/songwriting is merely aspects of that indispensable factor.

Good point!

I agree, it's not just that artists like GD and Soyeon are just songwriters and composers, but they're essential, iconic prime members without which you can't imagine a group could do without or have anywhere near the same success.

Quote from crystalblues

Yes he writes and produces all of their singles. Each member in ATEEZ contributes to their own verses. Dreamcatcher is another group that has started doing so as well.

I love After School, it is such a shame Pledis treated them like crap. They tried really hard to tell them that moving them to a graduation system was not going to work as well as the company hoped but Pledis never listened. I was so happy when they made a one off performance appearance a couple years ago. The girls even when some members went on to the UNI.T were still wanting to reform but couldn't without Pledis sadly.

Oh, I didn't know that! That's a good set up for ATEEZ then, if they can have solid success and hit songs that the members significantly contribute to.

As for After School, I think they wanted to implement a graduation system like it's being done for many J-pop groups like AKB48 etc. Unfortunately, Pledis didn't have the will, vision, money and/or resources to go through with it in a way that worked, resulting in some halfbaked situation.

Maybe the difference in why the graduation system works for J-pop groups but not for K-pop groups like After School, was that the company behind AKB48 and other J-pop groups has more resources and experience with the graduation system, and they have more activities for all the members to keep busy with (and generate revenues).

So, is it safe to say that randkpopstan has officially disbanded?

Quote from David33

Also, TWICE while you're at it.😅

Quote from YamaChwan

He's gone, David. You're arguing with a ghost.

OP has been banned a lot of times.

Is it for certain that this time it's permanently, and not just another temporary sit-on-the-bench-till-you-cooled-off time again?

Quote from bbgc

I will use Gallup as the basis, Bigbang have figured in the top 10, 9 times from 2007 to 2017, but have never topped the survey.

SNSD had a 10 year run on the top 10, from 2007 to 2016, topping it 3 times.

So by that metric, SNSD were more popular and steadily popular at their peak than Bigbang.

But if you consider non-peak, then Bigbang has a longer popularity.

Another factor is no GG has matched SNSD in that popularity among S Koreans, whereas BTS has assertively succeeded Bigbang.

Other toppers,

IU - 12 times in top #10, 2 times at #1

Jang Yoon Jung, the Trot Queen- 17 times in top #10, never left, but never topped.

LYW is the phenomenon, topping Above 40s - 4 times, but also in the top 10 of under 40s always.

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Actually, Bigband did top the Gallup popularity survey if I read it correctly, in 2015 with a popularity score of 15.5%

However, SNSD topped the Gallup popularity survey 3 years straight, from 2009 to 2011, and also with higher popularity scores for all those years.

Quote from crystalblues

I mean I can understand the comparison Hongjoong from ATEEZ comes to mind with that title as well.

That's interesting. I'm not familiar with Ateez: Hongjoong is like GD and Soyeon in that he has composed/produced essential hit songs for their group?

Quote from crystalblues

A KAHI MENTION IN 2024 HOLY CRAP

KAHI was the queen bee and den mother of After School, so a deserved mention, and one that should be rewarded, agreed.

So here a blast from the past

and what must be 1 of the first K-pop training videos

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

They have a comeback this month and then concerts next month, which she may or may not miss, as her recovery is projected to take about a month.

That's honestly saddening. Gyuri is a KARA core member and it's been ages since their previous comeback.

To have this happen right now... I feel sad for her.

Quote from citron-icy

What i send you is 'ULs' that's mean UNIQUE LISTENERS that's litteraly mean in 2022 for their last comeback of both group

SNSD got 200 000 korean playing their song day one, against 900 000 for bigbang despite burning sun scandal some years ago.

It's almost 5x times more, they even did better than IU. You have to face reality.

SNSD is an iconic and an HUGE and popular group in Korea, there is no debate about it.

But BIGBANG, BTS & IU is another league in Korea.

And as one of the creative directors at SM (the company of SNSD) said himself “BIGBANG were the first of their kind in Korea”

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The question was about popularity at both groups' peak, not longevity (although when it comes to longevity, SNSD ranked in Gallup in 2022 with their comeback yet Big Bang didn't)

Ok. You showed yours, I showed you mine.

I believe that Gallup is the best criterium when it comes to measuring popularity in SK, you believe it's K-chart stats.

We both agree that SNSD and Bigbang are iconic, epic top groups.

We won't have ANY agreement on who was the more popular group at their peak, since we value different criteria as best measure for popularity in SK, I Gallup and you k-charts.

And that's alright.

We can disagree on main points and still have a valid discussion - and hopefully also see the other's viewpoint.

No need to start insulting other disagreeing parties, just because they have differing viewpoints and value other criteria more. So, let's not in future times.

Don't KARA have a comeback this month?

Talk about bad luck

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

Facial fractures, including her eye socket.

Wow, ouch.

That sounds really painful, and also not an easy surgery to do right.

Hopefully she'll recover well.

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

We know what happened to her, but not how. She hasn't said.

What happened?

If she needed surgery, then it sounds serious.

To be expected, Blackpink have been the main YG group carrying the company for a while now - which makes it even more surprising how little YG actually used Blackpink the past years.

Although not sure if operating profit alone is the best way to measure a company's health, after all a company's investments in that quarter may also have been higher than other quarters.