Posts by Fluffers

I think this depends on how you group the gens.

I wouldn't put it in terms of who fades away and who doesn't though. Cause that's always going to be a lot less than who were actual players

This is how many acts had more than a single track that managed to be on the year end chart

Gen 2: Wonder Girls, SNSD, Kara, 2ne1, F(x), 4minute, BEG, Sistar, Girls Day, Secret, T-ara, AoA, Apink, After School, EXID

Gen 3: Twice, BlackPink, Red Velvet, Mamamoo, Gfriend, OMG, Brave Girls

Gen 4: New Jeans, IVE, Aespa, Le Sserafim, (G)I-dle, Itzy, StayC

If you assume gen 4 isn't over(which is how a lot of koreans see it) then Gen 4 is already at a point to do underscore a lot more names than gen 3

this kinda thread shows kpop fans got no sense of history.

One of the most popular slang phrases of 2nd gen was Baby Glam

Which was all about having baby face

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Now that I'm looking at this list again, this is actually really different than Circle's. I wonder why so many groups' sales dropped a good amount. Enhypen,TXT, NewJeans, Twice, Treasure, Seventeen's 17th Heaven album, all had much better numbers on Circle Chart, and this list is supposed to be physical and digital pure sales (which is why EXO/IVE/(G)I-DLE have higher numbers on this list compared to Circle). So you'd think their numbers should be higher on IFPI, not much lower.

I wonder what IFPI's criteria is, and/or if they maybe question the legitimacy of some of Circle's numbers somewhat?

Could be a matter of shipped vs sold.

Circle tends to account for the former and this might be attributing actually bought in store.

i dunno how some of y'all would have survived Gen 2.

Genuinely.

pretty horrible timing on Hybe's part given the last 24 hours

If you're going to apply things like

1. Easy, a hihat heavy trap song
2. Smart, a Afrobeat song
3. Fate, a jpop with rock heavy instrumentation

Under New Jeans influence despite the fact that none of those songs overlap with New Jeans genres and soundscape at all and in I-dle's case, they've been doing rock infused songs before New Jeans debuted

Your post basically means fucking nothing.

You might as well say "New Jeans invented midtempo"

It's equally as fucking stupid.

unless the artist indicates otherwise I use their stage name.

I'm not trying to act more personal than need be.

I wouldn't do that with any other entertainment act in any other industry.

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Actually Africa, LATAM and Asia have the biggest growth. While the US and Europe the lowest. It’s just US market is huge.

Nowhere did I say that the US had the most growth.

none of that report actually puts into context the market by market breakdown.

All we know is US + Canada is 40%

All of Europe is 28%

Asia is 3rd with no actual hard percentage given

They don't even give up actual market share per countries anymore, just level of growth now.

Shit is approaching blackbox levels of obfuscation

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She does say that to not to alienate the Thai fans, but her family is ethnic chinese and upper class ethnic Chinese in SE Asia tend not to speak the local language among their own circle

There are literally shows in china that remark on her ability to speak Chinese. It's not anywhere near the level to be called fluent?

Is she putting on airs for completely chinese audiences? Years after i-dle has been remarkably popular in China

To what benefit?

You're just acting like eugenics is a genetic trait for language.

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Minnie's first language is also Chinese since although she is a Thai citizen they only speak Chinese among their own circle.

Minnie is quite literally not fluent in chinese.

What kinda dumbass shit is this. Like trying to say my puerto rican friend can speak a lick of spanish just cause her grandma is fluent

calling wjsn a failure in context of girl groups is baffling

Especially when contrasted with Cube girl groups.

They were outselling clc from the beginning and outselling lightsum by 2018.

Add on that they could manage to chart (something neither cube gg has a claim on) and that comparison makes no sense.

WJSN was a mid tier girl group in gen 3

CLC never even got that high

And the same is true of Lightsum for Gen 4

Also pretty disingenuous to treat the differencd between Their boygroups as clear cut.

What Cube Boygroups have over Starship sits purely in digital performance, but none of them match Monsta X nor Cravity's physical sales performance

There actually was a decent bit of hype behind Ador's girl group.

One thing you have to remember is that LSF's debut was extremely last minute. So a majority of eyes for a Hybe girl group was on Ador.

• Sakura and Chaewon were speculated for Ador's girl group.
• Several kpop new sites western side and dozens of korean entertainment sites had dedicates pages on Ador's upcoming girl group (kpopstarz and chosun to name a few)
• There's an article on NME hyping up ador's upcomingngirl group and an article from SBS claiming the next BTS will be the sister group from Ador
• The level of high end access they got out the gate speaks to at the vey least a ton of foundation laying, if nothing else, on the back end.

Comparing MIA to Berserk is weird. Like yeah hey're both incredibly dark pieces of fanasy, but there is an intrinsic amount of flagrant and pointed sexualization of children in MIA that doesn't exist in Berserk.

Is there rape in Berserk? Absolutely.

Is there sexualization? Unquestionably.

But the sheer volume and clear intended target audience with MIA is staggering

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I personally disagree. For me their music quality declined after Soojin was kicked out. Different tastes I guess. I loved the hwaa ep. All comebacks after that suck imho.

She was never involved in the music process so her being there or not was not going to impact how their music went forward

And even with that, your opinion doesn't change the fact that they factually skyrocketed in popularity.

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Well, this is weird. Why chaewon of all people. That would be stupid as hell, she's in a new group, why would she risk her career over weed or other drugs.

Eta: i mean, she can be stupid but that would be stupid lol

people are just going scatter shot over female idols who aren't out in the public a lot.

Cube also had to release a press kit for Soyeon.

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not sure for nct but for gidle it's an english album so there's that

You'd have to be insane to think an act that was selling 100k for like 3 albums back to back before reaching the million seller status would collapse to sub 50k.

I-dle stans pretty loudly said they weren't bothering with Heat.

I can kinda see 2 of these acts working, but with the 3rd it becomes weird.

Like Central Cee got popularity but between these two pop styles, it's hard to see that contrast balancing.

Like JK laroi, I can see

Jk Central Cee, I can see

Laroi Central Cee, I can see

But all 3 is where it becomes weirdish

i wish I was impressed by Yknock's stupidity, but he's not changed in like 10 years,

Still saying the same banal assinine shit he was saying back when he used to bitch about 4minute and Miss A.

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They are in Korea. How many times do I have to say this? I'm not claiming League is bigger than Soccer or the NBA or MLB globally. It obviously isn't. But in Korea it absolutely competes with any actual sports league.

For one, it is far more accessible than any traditional sport could ever hope to be. Not everyone has the physical fitness level to play a sport, but as long as you're able-bodied, anybody can pick up a controller, mouse or keyboard and try to become a pro gamer.

Why are you talking about player viability? Were we not discussing general popularity and recognition of a sport? That would have more to do with Who watches and knows about the professional league rather than who has the ability to play it.

It's why I mentioned earlier that using how many people play league doesn't convey how many people WATCH League's Esport scene. They can correlate but they're not one to one. Or do you think there are 100 million football players in America?

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Brah. I played Overwatch for years and years. That game was developed with E-sports as its ultimate focal point and they pushed the Overwatch League for years until it eventually failed.

You want to know who even kept the league afloat for as long as it was?

KOREANS.

You literally had US based teams of Korean players.

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Where in any of that post did I specify Overwatch? Like yeah, Overwatch has it the worst, but the general collapse isn't just impacting Overwatch. My point wasn't on who was or wasn't trying to keep it going. It's that the majority framework of many Esports leagues are built on the economic incentives of the companies funding them and you cant just wave that away by going "there's a better option possible." of course there's a better option, but that option and framework isn't exactly in place. A lot of these leagues and their sponsorships and their visibility on major networks is due to the money being pumped into them. Who is still giving their hardest to keep things afloat doesn't change that reality.

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What? It's so much more nuanced than that. If the game design is shit, and the developers don't know how to balance or rebalance, that's not a function of the viability and profitability of esports as an industry, but an issue in proper development and game design.

If you design fun, balanced and rewarding systems for your competitive game, it can survive and thrive as an e-sport.

Overwatch League failed because Blizzard failed the community and ruined the game with atrocious balance decisions and broken promises.

But I'm not talking about if the game is dying. I know Overwatch is in a bad place development wise, but the esports issue isn't just with Overwatch. Fifa's in a terrible position too, but it's also not just Fifa experiencing these problems.

CS:GO, Siege, Rocket League and Valorant are all also going through rough patches and I know not all of those games have gone to shit. It's that companies aren't getting back what they thought they would from putting money in and it's leading to incredibly shakey foundation for a lot of these franchises.

Can a developer nuke a game's Esports scene? Absolutely. I watch Smash go through that shit all the time. But the problem isn't just purely on the devs not knowing what the fuck to do and I'd say for more than a few of them it's got nothing to do with development at all.