Posts by JennyHoliday
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I'm so over judges criteria. Like, why does your opinion outweigh the opinion of millions of other people? There is no such thing as an objective measure of how good music is. I don't tend to like r&b songs but that doesn't mean it's bad. Similarly a judge might be more into hip hop and dislike pop. Our own opinions of songs shouldn't mean more or less than others. I don't even understand how ive didn't win roty and other roty winners I never even heard about.
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Hey if they're over that means I have a better shot of snagging tickets. I better not see any fans try and get tickets for their next concert in the east coast of America.
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Yeah this is fair. I still get annoyed about everything happening to her. Like, I expected criticism and backlash and that's totally fair and warranted. But the de*th threads and stuff really aren't. Though knets tend to give de*th threats for everything so not surprised but still annoyed.
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I don't think I made this as an apology, more so just I don't want people to get angry at me for using bts so much since they're my ults and it can seem like I am biased towards them. I think from what others commented it's alright to use them when the situation is brought up or if they're a good example for something so I'll continue to do that but maybe tone it back a bit and try to learn more about other groups.
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It doesnt even necessarily have to be about whether the "cancelling" is justified or not, its moreso about the differences in how the issue is treated depending on whether its a man or woman.
I think it more has to do with the fact the bg's have their fans who will defend them to the death. GP don't may too much attention to these things but bg's have their fair share of stuff, it's just their fanbase is more loyal and will stick to the end. Take kard, they had the bullying controversy (which was proven false) but their fanbase in sk was almost gone. With the member from skz who also had a bullying scandal which also false, fans stuck by to figure out what actually happen. Jungkook's car accident caused such an uproar in sk but armys didn't leave and it died down. Same with TOP and the drugs. GP and haters can't do crap if they still have their fanbase. Jennie is probably the most hated female idol but blinks will always defend her (and for good reason) so she remains an unbothered queen. It's not so much society cancelling them as it is their own fans leaving.
One thing I do agree with is the company response to scandals. How is it that the 2ne1 bom had to leave due to having medication for her adhd (could be something else not sure) but top get to stay when he had actual drugs. If anything, the reason female idols don't get a second chance is cause companies don't treat their female idols correctly. Honestly bom's medication and jessica's car accident were not career ending but sm and yg tossed them in the trash
Knets will try to cancel anyone for doing something even slightly problomatic but how the company deals with it and how fans react is the real difference between gg and bg.
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All bts members
No explanation needed
bp lisa
lisa is at a bit more than 700k right now and I think it's increasing about 5k a month so if it keeps this up it should hit 750 end of next year.
Next list is maybe not debut but can still do it
No explanation needed considering he did it.
nct mark
I think he's the most popular member of nct. If not whoever the most popular member of nct is. Maybe not debut but with another release for sure.
bp jennie and rose +maybe jisoo
Jennie could definitely do it no questions asked. Rose had around 520k for her debut so in a couple albums she could. Jisoo is, sadly, the least popular member of bp and her solo stans aren't like lisa and jennie to pull in those kind of numbers. Even rose would require a couple albums so I'm not sure if she can pull 750k. Though bp are still growing so I could be wrong.
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i cant believe there are actually people in this thread trying to pretend that women arent judged more harshly then men in the entertainment industry
Okay if this is referring to me I did state that there are disparities but this isn't one of them. It's not like she's being cancelled over nothing like with bp members or something. There is an actual reason why so I just stated to not bring gender inequalities into something that doesn't need call for it. Actual examples of this could be what happened with the rbf of the momoland member or when jennie posted a pic of her in a bra etc. There are places to bring it up but this isn't one of them.
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Okay.... let me break what all the comments are saying. I'm not going to quote anyone but if you would like to defend your stance you are welcome to argue.
1) This is a gender issue? Ummm... whenever there is any sort of controversy, regardless of gender, you best believe the korean media to turn on you and fast. Take Seungri for example. He was cancelled so fast because the media LIED about his involvement in the burning sun scandal. Whether he was apart of it or not is something I won't get into, but the text messages (which was the reason people canceled him) were false and someone admitted to fabricating it. I think the only thing he was guilty of was gambling. Even if he was innocent his career is over. A skz member was cancelled over fake b*llying allegations. He wasn't able to appear in kingdom and his were proven false.BTS were cancelled (or well, they tried) over the no signal thing and were literally called plagiarism boys and people made death threats and everything.
2) She was called out for lying about her entire career. Her whole career was a rich girl who liked designer clothes. That was her entire career as an insta model. Had she had any other talent like singing or acting, and she was an established name, I promise you she would not get cancelled over this. It's like if some exposed bts for have ghost writers or something. They are too big to get completely canceled but half their fans would be gone. And if was at the beginning of their career like it is for this girl, you bet their careers were over. It's not so much that she wore dupes, but that everything that people liked about her was fake. I mean V had to post a whole explanation as to why he was singing loser with screenshots and everything.
3) Gender issues in itself is difficult to talk about. Main reason boy groups aren't affect as harshly as girl groups is because of the fandom and their detective work. Like, the person who cleared the skz member was a fan if I remember correctly. Plus, the public as the attention span of a goldfish. They don't care in the future. I know there are actual gender issues such as criticizing females for being exposed while males can rip their shirt off on stage and how women should 'act' etc. But don't bring it up where it's not necessary. Not everything is a gender issue. Like, I get annoyed when people bring up the fact that bg are more successful butt that's not the society or stigmatization or something. After a couple years any act is out of the public eye and it's their fans that keep their career going. Girl group fans tend to be less loyal and guess who the majority of gg fans are, you guessed it women. So how is it men's fault that gg have a shorter career. That's the industry, not some agenda against women. Plus, that is only kpop groups. Soloists all tend to be females, there are like two really popular male soloists that I can think of off the top of my head and about five females. And I'm not even big on soloists.
4) I do agree with one thing, the hate she is getting is ridiculous. I read some comments, not sure if it was this forum or another but they were really bad. You can state your opinion without attacking her personally. What she did was wrong, but she isn't the worst person on Earth or something. The hate she is getting is unnecessary and quite frankly wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. What she did was wrong, but that doesn't give people a right to attack her like this. Attacking her for wearing fakes is one thing. Sending de*th threats is another.
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Okay I do want to say one thing. People need to know the line. Like, it doesn't really affect you that she wore fakes so why is there so much hate. I'm sure she is blacklisted in the fashion industry and won't get any future sponsorships or modeling opportunities from well known brands. I get what she did is wrong and illegal but sending hate to her is also wrong. I have pointed out on other posts that what she did was wrong but I didn't expect that she would get so much hate. Her future is looking really bleak right now. And her dream of launching her own brand is probably never going to happen. Also, I don't understand why there is so much backlash. I remember people making fun of bts for wearing fake designer clothes but that was just haters being loud. There were no actual repercussions for it apart from people calling them poor and making fun of them. That's bad, not saying it's not, but it didn't end their career. I don't like this girl, and I genuinely hate people that buy fakes to flex that they are "rich" but I don't think she's the worst person in the world or something. She's a kid that wanted to fit in. I remember in high school buying a fake coach handbag cause all the kids in my school had these expensive bags and my mom wouldn't buy me one. It happens, and now as an adult, I'm pretty sure a lot of the bags the kids in my school had were fake and learned it's not really important. I'm sure we've all lied about certain things in our life as a kid to fit in.
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Okay if this was done by the artist themselves and signed by the artist I think the bp price point is about what to expect, but I'm surprised at Olivia's price. Her fans are not kpop or rock fans that are big on collecting. She is your average pop artist and regardless of how big her spins are, she hasn't build that loyal fanbase that will pay $2.5k for a vinyl. I have a friend who's a doctor who collects for bts and even she wouldn't put $2.5k down for this. She even decided not to buy a signed album for $800 so there is no way she would buy this. I understand she's not a hardcore collector but she has probably $1000 worth of bts albums and merch. Like, even the most dedicated fans have limits unless they're millionaires with that much money to blow. I'm doubtful if they can even sell all 100 of these for most of these acts (apart from bp).
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i didn't drag any bg though? i don't see why are you acting defensive when all i said is they have big fandoms and that's the truth. bigbang had one of the biggest, if not the biggest, fandom in the industry at that time.
that soloist's digitals aren't reaching such numbers because probably his fans aren't mass streaming the song like their life depends on it. there's a huge difference between the loyalty of boy group stans and soloists stans and the lengths they're ready to go to in order to achieve their goals
Okay I looked up and his name is Lim Young Woong and his fandom is no joke. I remember in 2019 people were saying he is probably the only person in SK who could compete against BTS in terms of fandom. Now the reason why bts do better than him digitally is simple.
A) BTS are more widely known in SK and so they have a name brand recognition with the gp.
B) Their international achievements puts them on the news a lot. So whenever they release something new everyone in korea will at least check it out. Take ON. It was definitely not a gp hit but the reason it did really well the first two weeks were because everyone was checking it out in sk but was not well liked by the gp so it didn't do well in the long run. It still did impressive but that was more due to their name of bts. Not just fandom but let's say half the people who checked it out didn't like it, that's still half the people who did like it. Believe me if it was only their fans checking out their music, their stats would be like Young Woong.
Both these points have nothing to do with fandom power but more with their actual presence in sk.
And do you think top girl groups have no fandom. Twice sold out their STADIUM tour in sk and japan. Blackpink's Lisa had almost 800k album sales. Their group album, a year ago had 1.4M sales. If that's not a fandom I don't know what is.
And also when people talk about fandom big bang is not the first name that comes to mind. Big bang charted their entire album in 2015. That's their presence in sk and the trust that the gp has in their music. You never see their name at the top of albums charts. They are always behind SNSD, SJ, even TVXQ. Notice how even if SJ and TVXQ have better album sales big bang has the best performance digitally. SJ and TVXQ had their hits, but they definitely didn't have the continuous digital performance that BB had. TVXQ had their problems sure, but what about SJ. Their latest album sold 400k but wasn't a huge hit in SK but BB solo songs were a huge hit even if they didn't sell the most albums.
All that you have are assumptions based on how you think boy groups and girl groups work. And for the most part that is correct but top groups are different for a reason. I never see people saying snsd were a huge digimonster because of their fandoms when snsd can outsell any boygroup at that time and had the biggest fanbase in kpop.
Also, these stats were what I remember off the top of my head so if anyone sees anything wrong please tell me and I will correct it.
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I just came across this but would like to share my two cents.
I can understand this a lot. I use bts a lot because they are my ults so I know the most about them and they are the only group from 3rd gen onwards that I really know about. I did get things wrong about them since I'm a bit new but I met an army who corrected me and was very nice about it and changed my comment according to the new information. I'm definitely still learning about bts and don't know everything, but I do know a lot of their stats so it's easy for me to talk about them. I have gotten people who got angry with dragging bts into everything (not at me but in general), but I don't know much about other kpop groups to make a comparison. I haven't had any armys really tell me off so I continued doing it but you do make a good point. I just figured since other armys aren't angry at me it was fine. If someone, especially armys, have a problem with it please tell me. If you don't feel like writing it in the forums please privately chat me. I'm really understanding and can take criticism. Like I said, I'm not a veteran to the fandom so it would be nice if armys tell me when I am doing something wrong so I can learn in the future.
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Yes, a group comeback beating one member of bp. What a great way to compare.
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i don't think this data proves much though because the only bgs with good digitals are exo, bigbang and bts - all three of them are the top groups in korea with huge fandoms mass streaming every song on every possible platform + a little bit of gp support here and there. that's why there's such a huge gap between the top bg and the ggs and i thought everybody knew that
the statement ggs are doing better in digitals comes from the fact the average girl group is charting much higher than the average boy group.
yes, if you compare the digitals of bts vs a girl group, it's obvious bts will be miles ahead but if you put on their place another random bg, the girls are clearing in 99% of the cases
Okay I agree with the rest of the post but if you think bts, big bang, and exo hits are due to their fandom you're insane. Big bang doesn't even have the loyal fanbase that bts and exo have. At least make sense and don't drag bg for their digitals being due to their fandom. There is another soloist (don't remember their name) that has almost as big of a fandom as bts in sk and his songs don't reach any of these three groups in terms of digitals. Boy groups can also have good digitals. It just doesn't happen to many groups whereas there are lots of gg that have good digitals.
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huh... she said when bts posted about her she felt light headed and faint and she thought that was just her fangirling but the next day she tested positive for covid. It was host that said both are dangerous and to watch out for both which is what people are upset about. I personally don't think it was meant as racist at first but his past was brought up and it was... questioning to say the least. Honestly without his past, a simple apology would be fine for me but the way billboard made it seem like it was the guest who made the comparison between bts and covid was intentional to shield the host which was not right.
But my biggest remark made it past editing is my question. Like, I understand maybe not thinking about your words on the spot but how does a team of editors think this is okay?
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That's a good point.
However I don't get why this thread is getting focused on "hits", when the data analysed is simply consumption by week, by artist, by year, irrespective of when the song was released, was a hit or not.
Take IU's Merry Christmas in Advance, it might have been an hit in 2010, 2011. But otherwise every year it charts for couple of weeks, that adds to IU consumption for that year, though not a hit for that year.
Like that, the method I used is not all about hit songs.
It is simply whose music consumed most on Gaon digital. Hits are only part of the story.
What I see after looking at top 20 acts is,
1.More GGs chart well than BGs.
2.But not even the best GG charts as well the best BGs.
3.And neither BGs nor GGs chart as well a soloists/duos in general.
Point #2 is a new information for me.
I think people are taking it out of context because a lot of people like to state that girl groups have digitals and boy groups have physicals but that's not the case with top groups. Apart from SNSD, no girl group could compete with top boy groups consistently is charting or album sales. SNSD were rare and I doubt we will see it again with girl groups. BTS' next album will probably hit 6 million, it would be amazing if bp could even do half of that at 3 million for their next album (assuming yg will give them another album rather than mini's and singles
). BP could have actually competed with bts in physicals had yg played their cards right, maybe not at bts' level but somewhere close to 4 million. But no idol group has produced constant hits like bts or big bang (apart from snsd). 2017 they had dna and spring day, 2019 was boy with love, 2020 was dynamite. They had one of the, if not the, top hits every year except 2018. 2018 was also ruled by ikon and love scenario. BP had d4 and momoland had boom boom, but that and tt and cheer up were probably the only songs that could compete with boy group hits. 2015 was ruled by big bang, 2016, exo was still huge but in terms of number one hit I could give it to cheer up. 2017 was either dna or spring day, 2018 was a good year for gg, then 2019-2021 was all boy groups. Aespa brought that back with next level but only time will tell if they suffer like other gg. GG tend to be a phase with the gp and they don't have the fanbase to back up their b sides. That's why totals will always go towards bg. Take bts, they had all seven songs from be chart on melon and big bang had their entire made album chart in 2015. That's because their fans stream their b sides and the gp will then check it out after seeing it chart. Boy group fans will also make sure their groups title track will do good and promote it and the gp will check it out. This leads to longevity in bg careers. -
Idk about Europe but here in the US whenever I have heard it they have always played full song. I always stop doing whatever I might be doing at that time as soon as I hear Chris's voice to see and hear if they are playing full song or not. And when Jungkook's falsetto sends me shivers and I get over them, I continue my work lol......
PS : I have heard 7-8 times by now....
That's not fair. I always listen to the radio and have yet to hear my universe cut or uncut. Though I live in the south where even dynamite was only played the first 2 weeks and even that maybe a couple times a day. But we do have all of olivi*'s songs on loop. I still hear driver's licence at least 3 times a day. Don't even get me started on her more recent songs. Don't hate her personally but her label is getting on my nerves.
