Posts by JennyHoliday

I do agree that top boy groups will have higher digitals than top girl groups unless you are SNSD. But I think the point most gg stans make is that in general gg have more hits than boy groups. In recent years boy groups that had massive hits are: btob, ikon, bts, big bang, exo, and wanna one (this is from 2015 forward)

gg that had massive hits: aespa, omg, ive, mamamoo, red velvet, twice, bp, gfriend, g(i)-dle, etc.

There are more gg that have hit songs vs boy groups where few have a hit song but when they do they tend to be bigger than gg. Definetly no group in 2015 could compete with big bang and 2017 onward was bts (talking kpop group not soloist). Not sure why that is exactly but if anyone has any theories I would love to hear them.

Did they cut the korean part though? I remember some UK armys stating that the radio were cutting the korean part of the song.

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im actually amazed how some of you can accept buying coutnerfeit /replica. That's basically violatinf intellectual property rights and is illegal. Supporting that is like supporting illegal downloads of movie and music. Puttinh yourself in those designer / artists shoe, what would you think if fake items of yours is being sold?

It is also super contradicting from some of you. on one hand, you all hate the luxury brands and wouldnt want to suppor them, and on the other hand u support (not condemning) buying fake luxury brands to make you feel good / appear luxurious. Like, if you cannot afford the luxury brands, just go for whatever brand that is affordable to you. You dont need to buy into that luxury brand name

I'm not disagreeing with you but think realistically. Are you saying you never went to an illegal site to watch a movie online or something? It's bad if you promote it but I can't pay $3 for every movie I want to watch. I have Netflix, CBS, and Disney+, but I still can't find all the shows and movies I want to watch. Same thing with designer products. It's fine if you want to look a bit fancy and wear it out if you can't afford it, but wearing it on television or making a fake haul staying that you got designer clothes is not it. I'm not defending her or something, but I think we should be a bit more realistic. I like to support artists when I can and stream on spotify and buy songs on itunes and also get the streaming services I can afford, but every now and then I do watch things illegally. I think BTS spoke about this and told a fan not to feel bad for illegally streaming their concert. They know their fans will support them when they can but I think they're fine with fans watching things illegally if they can't afford it. At the end of the day you wouldn't be buying fakes if you can afford the real thing. I'm in college now so I don't care too much about things like this anymore but I remember in high school I begged my mom a coach bag and she said no so I got a dupe. Once I graduated high school I got the real thing for a graduation gift. When you're young you care a lot about branded items and stuff even though as you grow up you outgrow it (at least I hope).

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Are they famius in many countries like BTS?or just fans active on Twitter?

In their home country, sure? Apart from that I don't think many people internationally know them. Even in PH, a lot of people were voting for them because of the PH pride and stuff more than actually liking their music and stuff.

Alright... I'm seeing these threads a lot and replied on another thread and read through all these threads. I'm going to write based on what everything said.

The life of an influencer is mostly fake. A lot of instagram models and youtubers do use fakes. I think her wearing it on television is the real bad thing. Brands work hard to build their reputation and it would make anyone upset that their hard work was copied. But if someone is buying a fake it means they don't have enough money to buy the real thing so it's not like the company is loosing any money. I think the only thing she did wrong is trying to pass this off as real and wearing it on television. Like, she did haul videos and showed these knock offs as real and acted like she spent hundreds on them. She even did give aways of these knock offs. Like, wtf. You can't give a giveaway of fakes without telling your viewers that they will be receiving fakes.

Side note: I don't understand the big deal about branded things anyway. Their product doesn't even have amazing quality. I brought a coach purse for $300 and within 6 months it's color is already fading. I tend to like mid sized brands the most since they have quality and not super overpriced.

This is my dad who doesn't know how dm works and for some reason won't just text me like a normal person.

I'm hoping bts aren't coming. If they are my kings better get vip treatment or I will riot. They better win the award and get their own stage to perform. If not I will be talking names in red underline and check it once and check it twice.

Somebody is talking about being married to my husband. Who is it? I'm bout to throw hands. Stay away from taehyung or we will have problems.

Okay a couple of things. I think SM and hybe had different goals. SM was more for gp promotions while hybe was more fandom promotions.

SM: They have a family image and also do free stuff like this to "pay back the fans". Now while they do take a loss for this they make it up with their groups award show stages and stuff. Other companies put a lot of money into those stages while SM doesn't. Which is more important is for a company to decide. Also, I don't think SM lost that much money. They did stream it on a lot of platforms so I'm sure they made some money and I remember them having sponsors. Don't think they made a profit but I'm doubtful if it was even a loss.

HYBE: Hybe groups promote more with award show stages like a typical kpop company. I think the purpose of this was to replace the mbc gayo and also maybe introduce hardcore stans to other groups. You spent like $50 on a ticket so you are probably an invested fan who just got introduced to the rest of hybe's groups. Now nobody is going to stan them right away but you might get curious on 1 group and in the future might at least attend a concert. This is not for everyone either but even if it was just 20% of people that's still a lot. I'm sure hybe knew they were going to lose money since they had the numbers ahead of time.

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I don't understand your point if we move away from luxury brands.

What impact do you think there was from Twice's melody projects and whatnot, and do you think the impact is in line with what other popular idols would have from doing the same content?

A BTS comparison makes no sense. Boy groups in general have better longevity and BTS are one of the biggest artists in the world who still have a lot of momentum/attention domestically and abroad.

They are pretty much the only other artist that don't have a lot of solo things going on. And I also made other points in my statement separate from bts. I think jyp mainly just wanted to avoid what is happening with solos in bp. And even if they wanted to I doubt they would have had much time. Twice and bts release a lot of music throughout the year so it is difficult to prepare for a comeback and still have time for solo activities. The members of bts themselves stated that they only get 1 or 2 days off a month. I doubt anyone would want to spend the free time they do have with more work. I'm not saying that people have to agree with jyp. I get annoyed with hybe and wish they would give jin and tae some time to go into acting, but I'm not going to say they aren't managing their groups properly. Different management styles than the traditional kpop where you focus on solo activities after a couple years, sure. That doesn't necessarily mean bad. I think they still have some time to build on their solo stuff now. Would it have been easier in 2017, sure. But twice is still the number 2 gg right now. I'm sure jyp is also thinking about their future (hopefully, don't know jyp management that well) and even if they aren't I'm sure the members themselves are. With renewal coming around I think the members will have jyp focus more on their solo careers after twice.

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dude there's idols that barely care about music but tons of kpop fans follow them for their expensive appearance

this is kpop fans in a nutshell

both kfans and ifans

I know that's instagram but didn't think the actual kpop fans were like that. Kpop is about music right? Or maybe I'm staying in my own bubble. I really only cared about tvxq, shinee, and bts but their fandoms seem to be about the music for the most part. I did follow BP and while their brand endorsements are rich image was definitely huge, fans were most upset that BP didn't release music and were clowned for it (note: I did really only follow peaceful ot4 people since solos and blonks were just a mess).

hybe has its faults (PROMOTE YOUR IDOLS SOLO WORKS HYBE. IT'S NOT THAT HARD) but this is ridiculous. Over a fictional character that's gay (if i'm understanding this properly). Honestly, these characters were just meant to look like bts and have some basic characteristics from the members but these aren't representing the members. If you don't want to read it because the character is gay, don't. No one is forcing you. I myself don't like to read or watch romcoms where the leads are gay so I choose not to. Nothing wrong with it, just not something I personally find appealing. I doubt JK is unset that his character is gay or something. BTS themselves have supported the lgbtq+ community a lot and if I remember correct I think yoongi said he would date both men and women (It might be wrong though so if anyone knows please correct me).

Okay a couple things.

1) Did she herself state that she brought the house or was that just an assumption? If it was just an assumption, I don't know why she's getting the hate.

2) So she changed her name. Don't get the drama

3) The one thing I will agree with is the fakes. Designers work very hard to create their products and it's not fair to buy them for cheap just to show them off. And also to show off your fakes as if they're real and allude that she's from a rich family is just not right. I personally don't understand the point of showing of designer stuff, it just feels snobby and something teenagers to get attention and show that they're better than something. When I was in high school everyone had designer handbags and fancy shoes and dressed nicely. When I got to college everyone was wearing sweats to class even though they had some nice cars (I know my previous roommate had a 2019 audi a3 or something). Like, welcome to the adult world. Nobody cares if you're rich or not apart from kpop stans apparently. Like bragging that their parents had money makes no sense. It is in now way the idols achievement that they were born into a wealthy family.

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I think the issue is that Twice currently does not have any member who has an established brand individually. No Jennie, Joy, or Irene. And now that the group has been on the decline for the passed 2 years in terms of GP relevance, fans are concerned that their solo efforts might do as well as they would if JYP had been building their individual brands when they were at their peak.

I think that's the main point. I don't think this is a problem BTS would face since they are on another level. Even though BTS as a whole is huge, the individual members have also established name for themselves. Twice has not.

Yeah I can see that point. Even now bts still have the chance to build a successful solo career if they wish. The rapline have their solo work and I don't think the maknae line even need any solo work to have an established name. Jin might go into acting but I doubt he has the time for that with bts but I doubt he wouldn't get roles in the future if he wants to.

JYP really missed the timing with twice. I think it would have been fine to give the members a month or so off and if any members had any solo work they wanted to try to do it. I mean, they definitely wouldn't have been able to do acting since that takes some serious time, but something small like attending paris fashion week or doing some small appearances in dramas or osts. Maybe some variety things. Nothing huge but kinda like what tae did would be nice and allow for members to establish themselves.

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Some people don't agree with the OT9 route JYPE focused on for 6 years, and think it stifled the girls overall potential to promote solo.

I'm personally not the biggest fan of the ot7 thing for bts either but I think the schedule for both groups just doesn't allow for too much solo work. BP have a lot more free time to indulge in solo stuff and since there are only 4 members it's easier to coordinate. Let's say it takes a week to shoot a commercial and photoshoots, with 9 members, it's a bit difficult to find the time with their schedules. I'm sure it's the same with bts. Like, they used to complain that they only had 1 or 2 days off a month to do what they wanted. I doubt anyone would want to spend the few days they do get off on promotions.

Once touring starts, svt should have a decent bag for their touring (especially jpn) and enhypen and txt should have decent touring numbers. Even if all 3 of those acts only have 1/3 of the touring numbers of bts, it should work out. They also have Weverse and vlive so I think reducing to 60% is possible. It will also be good for bts, so they don't have so much pressure of having to literally carry the company on their shoulders.

Bruhhh same. If I had bts money, I wouldn't be struggling in my molecular biochemistry class right now.

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Nayeon, Jihyo, Dahyun, and Sana all have solo brand deals.

Wait, so this thread is just about them not having solo instagram accounts or what?

I think I missed the point.

What clues.

This was just bts showing their bts privilege of getting to listen to their own songs first.

Okay a couple things.

Didn't bts not have solo insta accounts until recently? And even with the account a couple members haven't even been using it. Instagram isn't really doing much for a well established group. BTS still got the LV deal without insta.

About solo promotions, I do agree that twice should have been promoted solo back in 2016-2017 when they were the it group in SK. But I don't think they will leave JYP and go solo. Twice, the name, is bigger than the individual members. If you look at got7 jackson, bambam, and Jinyoung are the only members that seem to have successful solo careers since they were the most popular members. I think momo and tzuyu and maybe 2 other members will have successful solo careers but that's about it.

All in all, I don't think jyp was necessarily poorly managing them, I think the company was focusing more on he ot9 agenda like bighit and bts. Even in bts, the rapline has their mixtapes but that's about it. And those weren't even promoted by the company that much (apart from D2). I think tae has two osts and one with jin and his small acting stunt in 2016. None of the other members have any solo stuff even though jk and tae are the most popular members followed by jimin. It's the less popular members that are getting these solos because they have more confidence in their song writing to publish their work. Tae and JK have been working on their mixtapes for so long but still didn't release them because they aren't that confident in their works. I don't know if twice write any music or not but maybe the members just don't want to write a solo mixtape.

At the end of the day neither twice nor bts have any solo endorsements or brand deals yet one is called good management and the other is bad. Focusing on the group agenda has its benefits. It creates less solo stans. I mean look at bp. Sure they're the biggest gg right now but they also get the most hate within their fandoms. The girls are pitted against each other even though they are friends in rl. It also creates rifts in the fandom which can impair voting and stuff. I remember some drama with lisa solos who refused to support some voting that was ot4 since the fandom didn't help lisa with some voting. idk, it was a mess though. Both bts and bp are huge but both have very different promotional tactics that work. BTS is closer with twice and bp is more like rv. It doesn't mean bad management.

I'm sorry about the rant, I just think it's stupid for people on sns to comment on how a company promotes their group. You can disagree with things that the company does, but that doesn't mean the company is poorly managing a group.