Posts by KpopVeteranARMY

superyeah Hey, you forgot to credit me, who just called B.A.P BTS's predecessors on your comment on my wall the other day, loll!!

B.A.P were huge monster rookies of their time that exploded internationally upon debut and early on their career was the biggest rival of EXO, who they ALSO inspired their early "aliens from another planet" concept and meaningful lyrics in their debut song MAMA with their own song Warrior! EXO who were the biggest new fish to fry in early 3rd gen lol.

And basically inspired early BTS in every way possible lol with their meaningful lyrics about society to their hip hop concept to even the 3 letters in their name beginning with "B", lol!! Along w/Big Bang & Block B! Anyone who was actually there who disagrees with me can fight me to the death on this lol!!

I don't care if I'm an ARMY now, I was a BABY first and B.A.P WERE the OG BTS! And I will never let anyone forget their impact on 3rd and 4th gen and the rest of the future generations of Kpop to come!! 😛

B.A.P's debut song WARRIOR (2012):

B.A.P's follow up song POWER (2012 - 2nd song w/lyrics about society):

EXO's debut song MAMA (2012, a few months after BAP's debut):

BTS's debut song No More Dream (2013, 1 year after B.A.P exploded):

Technically is a Kpop cover of one of the most famous Jpop songs ever, but LE SSERAFIM's Chaewon's cover of Utada Hikaru's First Love had me in tears!

Most of the things other people mentioned tho tbh if we're excluding ppl for lip syncing basically no one from Kpop should be nominated lol and this whole ceremony should be canceled~ 🤪

Also because Lisa has tried to distance herself from Kpop I think

Even tho she clearly still is~ 🤷🏻‍♀️

Like still mostly only Kpop fans have heard or care about her

just like everyone in kpop to be fair except BTS...but that's a discussion for another day~ 🤪

Maybe they're trying to build hype for their supposed comeback next year and world tour? 🤷🏻‍♀️ 🤞🖤 🩷🩷

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I don’t Stan seventeen I Stan aespa btw

And I didn’t bring that album sales topic!

And I know that they will probably win SOTY, and Artist of the Year(2 daesangs)

They probably also can win more awards but Mama can give those to others who attend

Anyways I will be voting for Aespa on Mnet app

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Okay, I forgive you~ 👌👍💜 (THIS time 👀....jk you have salvation of Naevis to save you )

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It is actually impossible for ggs to win Album of the Year this time, cuz their sales are much lower

I want Aespa to win but they are not even in top 10 in the predictions for AOTY

Right but this is the Best Female Group Award thread, so why even bring it up....? 🙄

Besides, they still have a chance at winning that other award ceremony who completely discarded physical sales which fans cheat at anyway as a deciding factor

They can win on cultural impact alone! No one besides Seventeen fans care about Seventeen's latest album (no offense or anything, they still sold the most copies), but EVERYONE was talking about Supernova and how aespa completed dominated NewJeans and Kpop this year in general!

Well tbh that other award ceremony award is probably a joke and primarily based on whoever's company bribes the judges the most, but theoretically speaking, if it was based on cultural impact alone, aespa should win! 😎 BOTH the awards~ them or ILLIT, cuz rn GIRL GROUPS dominate Kpop and boy groups DROOL~!

(uh besides my male faves ofc lol~ 🤪💧

Tho tbh, even they're kinda flopping for their standards now...sad but true 😅 😎)

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Bgs will win album of the year guys

Seventeen is probably the biggest contender

60% is sales 40% judges

And seventeen outsells everyone

They outsell ggs 3 times

If anyone other than aespa wins, international fans will riot

I listen to my yearly K-POP playlist (ex. KPOP 2024) everyday while I'm in the shower or before I go to bed, on my mini portable speaker so I can still hear it over the sound of the water. If my faves happen to release new songs this year, I'll listen to them there! Otherwise I might search up their older stuff to listen to occasionally 😅 But I'm trying to listen to and remember more good stuff lately from past years too!

My current playlist has over 1k views on YT Music, which is the most I've ever had!

Here it is in case anyone else's interested:

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Nice to see those numbers.

So, a song like supernatural has around 670k daily streams in japan. Not even 200k of those are from spotify (so spotify is less than 30% of NJ japan streams).

Considering:

- that NJ have more than 1 000 000 total daily spotify filtered stream in Japan, we can assume than their total daily streams in japan (all streaming platforms) is way more than 3 000 000.

- that NJ have more than 600k spotify monthly listeners in tokyo alone.

It's obvious that millions of japanese are listening to NJ on streaming platform and that their good streaming performance is not due to 2000 accounts

Japanese market is really huge, i don't know how it's even possible that some people believe that 2000 listeners is enough to make a song enter billboard japan hot 100.

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I recommend not listening to the individual claiming you can top a giant music streaming platform with 2,500 free accounts.

You both have a point~

I guess I'll believe you guys instead that indeed, in general NJ had a very successful debut digitally.

But id still dk y NJ didn't sell as many physicals as Kepler

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Some new group with a few Japanese members will stand up

I sure hope so! The new TWICE, maybe.

(I love TWICE too tho and in my dreams they or SNSD will dominate Japan again someday. Lol~ 😂🩷)

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You actually believe this thread?

NewJeans have 7 songs charting on Spotify Japan, 9 songs charting on Apple Music, sold out two nights at Tokyo Dome effortlessly before general sale even opened, and their Tokyo Dome covers turned into a viral sensation

For example:

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Don't ever believe anything said in this forum about NewJeans unless it comes from a fan. aespa only charted that high on Japan Billboard 100 due to their album sales, but their songs aren't being streamed or charting at all, unlike NewJeans

And if it's overall numbers on Spotify Japan, that isn't close either.

This is literally the most successful promotional cycle for a Japan debut we've seen.

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We thought NJs would sell well but it was a massive sham with digitals. With 2000-2500 free accounts you can game one chart and in turn games other charts. They selling Kep1er level.

Who are doing well or will in the future in Japan? Lsf, Ive, likely Illit, and most likely BabyMonster.

I don't know who to believe out of the 2 of you bc idk anything pretty much about Japanese sales anymore since it's been at least 15 yrs since I've been into Jpop.

The only thing I can say for certain is that NJ has the most successful Japanese debut IN KOREA ON MELON TOP 100. Thanks to their Korean language-heavy song.

I did check Oricon and it says Supernatural is #30.

Magnetic is a bop, deserves to chart high. But Idk how high NJ's past most popular Korean hits charted in Japan either? Apparently even many Japanese K-pop fans prefer the OG Korean versions of songs, even when sometimes there are Japanese versions since they sound better in the language they were originally written in. Not sure about the Japanese public. But it's possible they do too. Maybe that has something to do w/Magnetic's charting vs Supernatural?

It's an embarrassingly late/early hour here so I'll resume discussion when my brain functions again later today after I finally get some sleep lol.

Anyone else, feel free to weigh in on in the discussion and I'll take that into account too.

G'night.

Isn't this potentially bad news for the future of Kpop as a whole in Japan, tho?

If not NewJeans, who WILL become the next big Kpop group to represent 4th generation in Japan? 😳

Aespa's new Japanese debut charted a little better on Oricon and Japan Hot 100 than NJ, (#2 and #6 vs. #4 and #7), but they only sold similarly to NJ too right (61.92k)?

I guess we can always hope ILLIT will hit it big w/their cute concept? Tho they're technically 5th gen and idk if they have strong enough brand power in Asia left after the MHJ vs HYBE scandal in Korea, either?

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The Koreans voted IU over BTS

showing how much they appreciated BTS' achievements

All the sacrifices BTS did for Korea were in vain.

It has nothing to do w/their personal feelings towards BTS, for whom they are extremely grateful and consider a national treasure and made an national cultural ambassadors and even dedicated an entire street in Busan entirely to, or to BTS's sacrifices, since everyone in Korea knows what BTS has accomplished for Korea's status on an global scale, and everything to do w/BTS being Westernized as fuck since inception, lol.

It's because IU naturally appeals more to Koreans' cultural tastes than BTS both conceptually and musically- a pure beautiful innocent virginal (for most of her career) girl who makes beautiful ballads mostly entirely in Korean for most of her career, as opposed to Westernized hip hop gangster bad boys at debut from a then-tiny company nobody ever heard of before to eventually Westernized radio boys who's biggest song both in Korea and on a global scale is entirely in English.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Both Eastern and Western tastes are valid and simply a matter of personal preference mostly based on where you happen to be born, raised, or lived in the world.

IU simply dedicated her entire career to appealing to Koreans, and BTS did pretty much the opposite, with the exception of I NEED U & Spring Day, which are more beautiful and ballad-like songs- which btw happen to all be their most impactful songs in Korea other than Dynamite, which mostly happened to be such a huge song on a global scale that even Korea couldn't ignore it since they're also part of the world, and because BTS brought so much honor and international recognition to Korea that they all felt super proud to the point that it became the #1 song in Korea and every Korean knows their name.

It's just that IU is more innately "Korean" in values, while BTS has always been about rebelling against Korean society, values, and standards.

Even you would probably like IU more than BTS if you were Korean, since you obviously already do now, and obviously aren't Korean in heritage either. And personally I think there's nothing wrong with that either. Different strokes for different folks, after all.

Koreans don't care about K-Pop anymore because K-Pop no longer cares about Koreans (at least the ones in Korea, anyway). Why WOULD they care more about K-Pop than K-sports, which also continues to bring them glory on the international scale, while actually still caring about THEM, too?

IMO, this is definitely very unfortunate for K-Pop, but definitely also very self-inflicted. Say "F U, I don't care about you anymore" to the Koreans, by trying to take the "'K' out of 'K-Pop'", and they will say "F U, I don't care about you anymore" back, too...

Just like anyone else would. 🤷🏻‍♀️

If anything, this is showing that K-Pop needs to start caring more about what Koreans like and want too again, at least a little bit, such as by not making title tracks in English only, or noise music only for the most part that usually appeals only to international fans, if they don't want to stunt their growth across the world, too.

P.S. Although K-Pop idols themselves view it as a lifetime achievement or huge honor to perform in the biggest stadiums in Korea (even BTS many years ago for their Love Yourself World Tour), who internationally has, until now that it's been suddenly taken away, even really cared about how many tickets K-Pop can sell in Korea, at least for years now, unless that's the only country the artist can tour in? Even the MAMA Awards care the least about Korea now and gave them by far the worst and cheapest show last time they were hosted in their home country. Most international fans only are really only impressed by those who can tour in the US and Tokyo Dome now. And even Tokyo Dome isn't seen as big of an achievement anymore, since so many Kpop groups have done it by this point. If we want Korea to like K-Pop again, we international fans and the Kpop industry need to stop constantly saying "F U" to Koreans, too, especially since we Kpop fans apparently care SOOOO much about how racist they are to other people, yet almost never condemn it amongst ourselves whenever Kpop fans are racist to the Korean, Chinese, SEA, or Japanese people, as if they don't count as people, too!

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KpopVeteranARMY

Around 00:35 reminded me of your thread about rappers and I'm excited to see what this album will bring and if we see more Hyunjin

It does look like from the mashup that we'll get Rapper!Hyunjin again 😊 He's not bad!

This whole video was so amazing, if I didn't see all the album credits in it I would've thought it was all one song!

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Because they were never being as genuine about that messaging as everyone liked to think, and they're not very good at keeping up the facade either. I doubt any of them are observing this comeback & thinking, "Oops, we forgot to pretend to be Kpop's resident feminists this time!" They don't care. They also know South Korea is a country that would cancel them for actually taking the whole feminism thing as seriously as their international fans perceive them to. Koreans have witch hunted other idols for exploring the topic.

That’s true about SK canceling them if they took the feminism thing really seriously (aka, all the members actually announced in an interview they are feminists or something lol), and it seems like you’re right about them not being genuine about feminism either. But as a (casual) (G)I-DLE fan and feminist who became a fan of them because of their girl power concept since debut, I’m super disappointed that they so casually ran in the entire completely opposite direction without a single thought, and worst of all, that not as many people as there should be seem to be calling them out for this.

In my opinion, this should be a huge controversy for (G)I-DLE! At least internationally, if not in Korea! Of course, there would be huge backlash from the fans who are either misogynists or don’t really care at all about feminism whatsoever, and just like using it to their convenience when it’s to uplift their favorite idols, and then throw it aside when it’s inconvenient to stanning them, but as someone who ACTUALLY cares about it I will probably stop being a fan of them starting now because of the blatant and unabashed sexism of their lead single. We should not be glorifying, celebrating, or worst of all, actively *inviting* sexual harassment in 2024!

Then again, I still stanned Girls Generation-TTS after their lead single Holler in 2014 which has similar themes of asking men to “holler” at them, and even bought their album in spite of hating Holler because they were so beautiful, talented and successful still, which in my opinion still embodied the ideals of feminism at its core (in addition to their Holler album b-sides being simply amazing if you ignore Holler).

So maybe at the end of the day, I’m just as bad as the fans who may excuse the catcalling theme in this song too simply because they love (G)I-DLE, just as much as l loved Girls’ Generation TaeTiSeo….?

Wahh, how will I look at myself in the mirror from now on….

*escorts self out

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They've made, like, one feminist song. The rest of their more recent output has just been them positioning themselves as the latest sexy concept girl group while framing it in some girl power nonsense.

Okay, but even if I go along with/humor you and frame their newest songs as “sexy concept framed as girl power nonsense”, why would they suddenly diverge so much from the “girl power” concept which was extremely successful for them to something so sexist, for the sake of one “sexy summer song”?? Doesn’t make any sense to me marketing-wise when most of their fanbase and public attention came from the girl power concept/songs~??

Blop/flop, but does anyone else realize how NOT-feminist the whole concept/lyrics of this song/video is compared to (G)I-DLE’s other stuff?? The whole thing is about wanting guys to honk at you in their cars (usually a way to sexually harass females)

Fromis_9 : Super talented live performers according to one SNSD cover I watched, cute & pretty, but tbh I only know like 2-3 songs by them and I don’t really know the members

(G)-Idle : Soyeon ofc. Yuqi 2nd. Everyone’s very good tho except for Shuhua. Useless filler member.

Izone : I only know members from other groups tbh, Chaewon or Wonyoung

Itzy : Yeji

aespa : Karina

StayC : Yoon or J, Sieun has good vocals too & also cute/pretty

IVE : Yujin cuz she’s both a super visual and ace in terms of talent

Newjeans : Minji has one of the best face cards in Kpop, Hyein and Danielle seem to have good vocals but I feel “icky” about Hyein’s debut age

Le Sserafim : Chaewon/Yunjin, Sakura was my fave for a long time

Illit : Wonhee cuz she was the most adorable in Magnetic and the only one that stood out to me in lives

Kiss of Life : Idk Belle cuz she was on K-Star Next Door and killed the vocals? Natty is talented too just like everyone else in the group but imo overrated

Babymonster : Chiquita, she’s got swag for days, the 5th Gen Lisa

NMIXX : Lily cuz she’s the only member I know cuz K-Star Next Door vocal battle vs KIOF, but her vocals are TOP-tier! Easily the best singer of 4th gen.

Kep1er : Yujin duh ofc cuz she’s from one of my bias groups CLC before they disbanded…besides her I guess Chaehyun cuz she’s the center and best vocal.

Idg y everyone seems to think Xiaoting is a goddess incarnate, to me her visuals are mad overrated (tho I feel bad for saying/thinking so cuz she’s Chinese like me so I should be proud right), imo Bahiyyih is way prettier.