Posts by KpopVeteranARMY

    Fromis_9 : Super talented live performers according to one SNSD cover I watched, cute & pretty, but tbh I only know like 2-3 songs by them and I don’t really know the members


    (G)-Idle : Soyeon ofc. Yuqi 2nd. Everyone’s very good tho except for Shuhua. Useless filler member.


    Izone : I only know members from other groups tbh, Chaewon or Wonyoung


    Itzy : Yeji


    aespa : Karina


    StayC : Yoon or J, Sieun has good vocals too & also cute/pretty


    IVE : Yujin cuz she’s both a super visual and ace in terms of talent


    Newjeans : Minji has one of the best face cards in Kpop, Hyein and Danielle seem to have good vocals but I feel “icky” about Hyein’s debut age


    Le Sserafim : Chaewon/Yunjin, Sakura was my fave for a long time


    Illit : Wonhee cuz she was the most adorable in Magnetic and the only one that stood out to me in lives


    Kiss of Life : Idk Belle cuz she was on K-Star Next Door and killed the vocals? Natty is talented too just like everyone else in the group but imo overrated


    Babymonster : Chiquita, she’s got swag for days, the 5th Gen Lisa


    NMIXX : Lily cuz she’s the only member I know cuz K-Star Next Door vocal battle vs KIOF, but her vocals are TOP-tier! Easily the best singer of 4th gen.


    Kep1er : Yujin duh ofc cuz she’s from one of my bias groups CLC before they disbanded…besides her I guess Chaehyun cuz she’s the center and best vocal.

    Idg y everyone seems to think Xiaoting is a goddess incarnate, to me her visuals are mad overrated (tho I feel bad for saying/thinking so cuz she’s Chinese like me so I should be proud right), imo Bahiyyih is way prettier.

    KpopVeteranARMY I know what you're gonna vote for already ^^

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    It’s ok, I took a long time to reply to your first post for the same reason too, lol! Plus, mine *was* a REALLY long post so it’s understandable it took a while to respond sincerely to, too~ :sweat:


    That’s so cool about the drill genre thing, wow I never knew that. UGH! is actually my least favorite BTS song, but I have a new appreciation for it now for its artistry thanks to your comment. :woow: BTS are so real about their artistry and that’s one of the things that sets on a different level apart from most of the rest of Kpop, similar to their 2nd gen predecessors Big Bang, who are also rap legends and were acknowledged as “above” other idol rappers & idols in general during their time. I think that’s a huge reason while people tend to put BTS at the top in these kinds of rankings about rap in Kpop, even though their rapping technique is certainly nothing to sneeze at, either.


    Hmm, but while I *DID* post that huge long Tumblr post about BTS’s rapping & songwriting skills both being huge valuable contributions to BTS and non-comparable, at the end of the day tho, I still like to make competitive list rankings for the fun of it in Kpop to inspire critical thinking and discussion about in the community, and I still think that I’m right that RM > Suga > J-Hope in terms of authenticity and rap-writing. So, sorry, but I’m keeping my ranking the way it is! 😂


    You’re welcome! I agree, it’s fun having a real in-depth insightful discussion about rap in K-pop with someone~ :send-love-bunny: (I have a few KPOP friends IRL, but I converted both of them and neither of them are as into Kpop nor as knowledgeable about it enough to talk about this stuff w/me~ :sweat: )

    Yes, and to know BAP are possibly making a comeback, so excited. Zelo has really grown into an amazing rapper and lyricist.

    YAAAS, I heard about B.A.P’s possible comeback and I’m SOOO excited too! My Inner BABY is finally going to come back out kicking and screaming again after kicking in my stomach for months waiting to be reborn again ever since I found all their Instagrams earlier this year and saw them constantly posting selfies & whatnot together still!


    Still somehow never dared to hope for a real comeback tho bc they’ve been disbanded since 2019 and all went to different agencies and all since then. As one of the OG B.A.P stans who was a fan since their legendary monster rookie debut w/Warrior and a stan since Power both in 2012, but fell off after they left and sued TS in 2014, then last really paid attention to them while they were still active after they settled & returned to TS Entertainment then came back in Young, Wild, & Free in 2015, their last MV I watched right when it was first released was Skydive in 2016 which was amazing but literally 9 minutes long so no one watched it, and the last comeback I was aware of was HONEYMOON but thought it was lame compared to their other stuff after I checked up on them years later, then was super sad but honestly not super surprised when they disbanded in 2019…..

    this is beyond all my wildest BABY dreams come true to see them come back from the dead as a group 5 years later~! ;( (And more like 10 years since I last really stanned them, lol.) *BRB ugly sobbing



    Kpop has changed so much since they debuted 12 years ago, but they are still one of the very best rapping groups for sure that helped made rapping talent a big thing in Kpop after Big Bang totally paved the way for them, w/help from Block B who first really hit it big w/NalinA a month shortly after B.A.P’s debut w/Warrior that even made B.A.P major rivals w/EXO back in the day who were inspired by their meaningful lyrics about society to debut with their OWN song w/meaningful lyrics about society MAMA and even copy their concept about being aliens from another planet (both groups dropped this concept eventually tho), and totally changed the game for Kpop idols writing their own meaningful lyrics about society in Kpop for good!


    Btw omg, Baby Zelo has grown all up and write his own raps now?! Post some songs that he’s written juseyo~! :love: That boy has always had legendary rapping speed and was famous for his “LTE rap” back in the day when B.A.P first debuted, and if his rap-writing game has gotten good too, he’ll be an unstoppable force to be reckoned with in the Kpop rap game if(/when) B.A.P finally come back for sure!

    Thanks for typing all that out and breaking it down, gave me a much better idea of the full Big Picture of both NJ & Aespa’s digitals in their totality.

    I agree, I can definitely relate to wanting to poke Yama in the eye sometimes as well XD


    I agree that NewJeans has more name brand power in Korea and their ability to dominate with more than 1 song at a time (How Sweet & Bubblegum were #2 and #3 while Supernova was #1 but Armageddon was #9) shows they still have greater brand power in Korea overall but Aespa basically got lucky with Supernova becoming super popular and with Korea wanting to stick it to HYBE since tbh I still think it was a mid song, even tho it’s definitely grown on me...(I love most of their other discography tho barring their latest album which had a lot of skips tb completely honest w/y’all)


    Tbh I think I misunderstood Yama’s posts w/the Tweets since I didn’t understand that the Circle Digital Charts were including ALL their songs in total in that number and not just their most current one. So maybe NewJeans doesn’t have as much edge over Aespa as I thought, since it seems like they’ve fallen in all their metrics?


    Both NJ & Aespa have fallen in album sales a lot from their most popular albums in their most recent comeback but I guess Aespa’s did raise SLIIIGHTLY above Drama so I guess at least they didn’t decrease from the very last one? I still say neither of them are doing as great as in the past overall w/fans since either their fandoms have shrunk so much or their fandoms just hated their latest release, but it seems like Aespa definitely has the trendiness edge for now, but maybe NewJeans overall still have a greater name brand power and will rise back with their next Korean comeback if given a song as good as their previous ones.


    Overall all the top 5 girl groups these days are not doing as well as expected so I’m kinda worried about the new generation and future of Kpop overall~ :sweat:


    Edit: Realized this post kinda made me sound like a hater….don’t worry, I’m still getting 2 copies of Aespa’s new album for my birthday :P I just really didn’t like Aespa’s new release as much as I thought I would, and according to their physical sales, most of their other fans didn’t, either.

    Thanks sm Professor Disevidence! :love: Got to go study Kpop digitals for my Kpop dissertation now, brb~ :pepe-use-head::pepe-notes:


    So if NewJeans dominated on both Melon ULs AND Circle Digital Chart, does that mean that NewJeans really *IS* dominating over Aespa digitally on all the Korean charts against what everyone thought, or is Yama just full of cuckoo? :sweat:

    I’m too scared to watch, I don’t want a dark WOOAH, woo-WAHHHHHH~ ;(

    :meme-ahhh:


    (even tho I’m normally a girl crush stan when I’m not a huge ARMY and got into Kpop originally because of 2NE1, the OG KPop Girl Crushes)


    I want CUTE BUBBLEGUM POP BOPS from WOOAH, not NEW!XG HORROR SHIT!


    Oh well, at least it’ll be entertaining to watch to see how they try to pull off the girl crush concept~

    (So far they’re succeeding! even tho that bloody hammer at the end scared me :pepe-cross: * eventually caved & watched it, lol~)

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    I was ASKED for it; I stopped arguing a long time ago!

    I can confirm, I did ask you for them; sorry Yama! :sweat:  :*


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    And literally everyone uses Circle and takes it seriously; it includes multiple data points in that it aggregates a digital score using an artist's charting performance on each digital streaming platform in Korea, as opposed to looking at just one chart which will use its own internal data (in other words, MelOn will only inform you on how an artist performs on MelOn; it gives you no clear picture of how they do on other platforms).

    Ok those Melon UL rankings are impressive, so that should be taken seriously imo.

    But the 2nd Tweet you posted is just a record for 1 day. How long did they keep that record?


    I understand that Melon only reflects Melon digital charting lol, but thanks for explaining the Circle digital aggregate thing in more detail.


    Can other people confirm the thing about people taking Circle Chart seriously for digitals? In my own personal experience, I rarely remember see people talking about it for those~ (and even for physicals, I used to take them very seriously, but everyone’s all “but they just represent shipments to stores and not real sales blahblahblah”~ :suure: )

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    It's a cumulative score based on a group's digital performance across every chart in Korea.

    Oh, sorry, but everyone knows Aespa’s beating NJ digitally on all the Korean charts, so isn’t Circle Chart just full of shit~? :sweat: Like they got paid off by ADOR or some shit?


    Plus who even uses Circle Chart for digitals seriously, except maybe retrospectively years later out of lack of proper records left from anywhere else?

    They’ve always inflated their points like crazy since 2nd generation, they’re just numbers and they change how they count them whenever they please to make internationally popular bigger groups look bigger and create more international hype & clout (from what I can remember anyway)?


    People always use Melon and stuff instead for real digital numbers from Korea reflecting real digital trends~

    i believe most if not all members here kinda agree that overall NJ is still #1, but NOT by a large margin like some Tokkis claim to be


    The poll result is mostly due to Yama pissing a lot of fanbase off. Constantly bringing up their 2023 performance is not going to sink in to most because of recency bias

    Yeah that’s true, that was the only part of his arguments that I thought he could’ve supported a lot better, especially since NJ really *DOES* actually have 2024 accomplishments (according to him) that could’ve proven those people wrong, not just 2023 ones. Felt very Blink/ONCE-y.


    But for most of the thread, he kept citing lots of really big numbers that seemed very convincing, and people kept ignoring them for the above obvious reason~ :sweat:

    You aren't. Trust me. All the aespa votes are almost entirely out of spite from other girl group stans or just an attempt to trigger me :pepe-joy:

    Right? Especially the users in the comments ignoring most of your arguments w/unignorable numbers trying to spite you part.


    Tbh I almost voted for Aespa at first tbh because they're dominating in Korea atm digitally and that's usually where the battlefield is when it comes to 4th gen girl groups


    But then I thought about it more and hesitated bc NJ's still beating them by most other numbers, and this is just 1 comeback that Aespa's beating them in like 1 metric, digitally and in Korea at that, and doesn't necessarily mean an entire upheaval of the status quo, especially when you have a group with as strong numbers as NJ. And Aespa's not exactly consistent, tbh w/you, even as an Aespa almost-stan; their fandom and physicals keep decreasing with each new comeback.


    Tbh, even I almost stopped being a fan when they dropped the Kwangya concept, but I really loved their new packaging for their new album so here we are. 😅


    NJ still has time, like 1 more comeback or two where they have to flop dramatically more before we simply throw them under the bus ranking-wise, and Aespa still needs to prove themselves with another comeback or two or few, consistently dominating everybody like TWICE or NJ did before, before we just claim they're the new #1 4th gen girl group for good (at least for a while), and not just a one-off "got lucky w/1 trending song" thing. Even tho I'm a big Aespa fan and not really a NJ fan, these are my honest thoughts.

    Am I the only non-Tokki in this thread that actually agrees w/Yama & believes that NewJeans is still #1 based on most numbers; just not by much?


    They just lost their edge in dominance thanks to all the MHJ/HYBE drama & slightly weaker comeback songs than usual/expected after their 1+ year long hiatus~


    I mean, I'm not even a NJ stan and even sort of a HYBE stan, but I can objectively see the numbers lol


    Everyone else is just in denial bc Yama dumped on all their faves for the past however-many-months (or years?) and made them mad, lol 😅


    Aespa has the edge for this comeback and are the new trend for now, but it's just 1 comeback digitally in Korea; anything can happen. They still haven't beaten NJ in all kinds of metrics amirite? (saying as someone who owns all of Aespa's albums)

    Personally I'm chalking most of this up as the fatal flaw in Ador relying on hype instead of doing any marketing, teasing or promotion along with the drama burying a lot of minimal promotion they did do


    Even Nylon put out an article like "don't focus on the drama, focus on NewJeans music" where they spent a majority of the article on the drama and one sentence about the actual music

    NewJeans need to change their name to Aespa cuz "they're the dramaaa"~ 😄

    Finally looked up Changbin on Youtube due to everyone repping him on this thread and was BLOWN AWAY by this performance w/him (& Han who’s also really good)


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    Based on this alone, added Changbin to my list at #6 below Song Minho & above BYG XD

    Gotta love the B.A.P rep!

    Due to you & another user in this thread’s influence, just finally added Zelo to my list lol~


    I originally excluded him it because the last time I was a B.A.P fan, he didn’t write any of his own raps, but tbh most Kpop idols don’t, and he’s one of the fastest rappers in the game


    Topp Dogg Jenissi is surprisingly good

    Hongjoong & Mingi from ATEEZ are very good too


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    Solid choices fam :finger-heart: