You're right! My bad. I should have credited you. You made a great point, so I'm glad you shared it with me. In my defense, I did always think B.A.P and BTS were similar in rapping style.
It's okay, I forgive you bc you accepted being educated so open-mindedly. And you're welcome! 😛 👍
They definitely are! And that's definitely not a coincidence, lol!
Amazing. I really just like revisiting and appreciating history without pushing some agenda because, honestly, these groups all deserve their flowers for what they've done. A little bit of inspiration is perfectly fine and healthy! I think K-pop fans should acknowledge this so we can all enjoy K-pop more.
Agree wholeheartedly with this whole comment, but yes especially the bolded part is a message I think every Kpop fan needs to hear.
superyeah Hey, you forgot to credit me, who just called B.A.PBTS's predecessors on your comment on my wall the other day, loll!!
B.A.P were huge monster rookies of their time that exploded internationally upon debut and early on their career was the biggest rival of EXO, who they ALSO inspired their early "aliens from another planet" concept and meaningful lyrics in their debut song MAMA with their own song Warrior! EXO who were the biggest new fish to fry in early 3rd gen lol.
And basically inspired early BTS in every way possible lol with their meaningful lyrics about society to their hip hop concept to even the 3 letters in their name beginning with "B", lol!! Along w/Big Bang & Block B! Anyone who was actually there who disagrees with me can fight me to the death on this lol!!
I don't care if I'm an ARMY now, I was a BABY first and B.A.P WERE the OG BTS! And I will never let anyone forget their impact on 3rd and 4th gen and the rest of the future generations of Kpop to come!! 😛
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B.A.P's follow up song POWER (2012 - 2nd song w/lyrics about society):
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EXO's debut song MAMA (2012, a few months after BAP's debut):
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BTS's debut song No More Dream (2013, 1 year after B.A.P exploded):
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Most of the things other people mentioned tho tbh if we're excluding ppl for lip syncing basically noonefrom Kpop should be nominated lol and this whole ceremony should be canceled~ 🤪
Also because Lisa has tried to distance herself from Kpop I think
Even tho she clearly still is~ 🤷🏻♀️
Like still mostly only Kpop fans have heard or care about her
just like everyone in kpop to be fair except BTS...but that's a discussion for another day~ 🤪
It is actually impossible for ggs to win Album of the Year this time, cuz their sales are much lower
I want Aespa to win but they are not even in top 10 in the predictions for AOTY
Right but this is the Best Female Group Award thread, so why even bring it up....? 🙄
Besides, they still have a chance at winning that other award ceremony whocompletely discarded physical sales which fans cheat at anyway as a deciding factor
They can win on cultural impact alone! Noone besides Seventeen fans care about Seventeen's latest album (no offense or anything, they still sold the most copies), but EVERYONE was talking about Supernova and howaespa completed dominated NewJeans and Kpop this year in general!
Well tbh that other award ceremony award is probably a joke and primarily based on whoever's company bribes the judges the most, but theoretically speaking, if it was based on cultural impact alone, aespa should win! 😎 BOTH the awards~ them or ILLIT, cuz rn GIRL GROUPS dominate Kpop and boy groups DROOL~!
(uh besides my male faves ofc lol~ 🤪💧
Tho tbh, even they're kinda flopping for their standards now...sad but true 😅 😎)
I listen to my yearly K-POP playlist (ex. KPOP 2024) everyday while I'm in the shower or before I go to bed, on my mini portable speaker so I can still hear it over the sound of the water. If my faves happen to release new songs this year, I'll listen to them there! Otherwise I might search up their older stuff to listen to occasionally 😅 But I'm trying to listen to and remember more good stuff lately from past years too!
My current playlist has over 1k views on YT Music, which is the most I've ever had!
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Admittedly randomly piled together except the first 10-20 songs, which is my favorite.Also has some some Kpop from past usually recent years that I just discovered this year, too~ But mostly lots of good songs from newer acts I casually like, possibly a lot, but don't stan, since imma "KPOP Veteran" from 2011 and *most of my ULT faves are 2nd-3rd gen and either on military hiatus, disbanded, or so-called "legacy acts" who rarely promote anymore except for anniversaries~ 🤪 Luckily I stan BTS who have "BTS Privilege" and can still release new solo music even during military hiatus, lol! 😅 So I DO listen to their music a lot regularly this year, if not EVERY single day. Admittedly have kinda fallen off them somewhat in recent years since their newer stuff isn't as much my taste anymore, but do still try to check out every new release ofc!🫰💜
So, a song like supernatural has around 670k daily streams in japan. Not even 200k of those are from spotify (so spotify is less than 30% of NJ japan streams).
Considering:
- that NJ have more than 1 000 000 total daily spotify filtered stream in Japan, we can assume than their total daily streams in japan (all streaming platforms) is way more than 3 000 000.
- that NJ have more than 600k spotify monthly listeners in tokyo alone.
It's obvious that millions of japanese are listening to NJ on streaming platform and that their good streaming performance is not due to 2000 accounts
Japanese market is really huge, i don't knowhow it's even possible that some people believe that 2000 listeners is enough to make a song enter billboard japan hot 100.
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NewJeans have 7 songs charting on Spotify Japan, 9 songs charting on Apple Music, sold out two nights at Tokyo Dome effortlessly before general sale even opened, and their Tokyo Dome covers turned into a viral sensation
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Don't ever believe anything said in this forum about NewJeans unless it comes from a fan. aespa only charted that high on Japan Billboard 100 due to their album sales, but their songs aren't being streamed or charting at all, unlike NewJeans
And if it's overall numbers on Spotify Japan, that isn't close either.
This is literally the most successful promotional cycle for a Japan debut we've seen.
We thought NJs would sell well but it was a massive sham with digitals. With 2000-2500 free accounts you can game one chart and in turn games other charts. They selling Kep1er level.
Who are doing well or will in the future in Japan? Lsf, Ive, likely Illit, and most likely BabyMonster.
I don't knowwho to believe out of the 2 of you bc idk anything pretty much about Japanese sales anymore since it's been at least 15 yrs since I've been into Jpop.
The only thing I can say for certain is that NJ has the most successful Japanese debut IN KOREA ON MELON TOP 100. Thanks to their Korean language-heavy song.
All I know about Japanese sales is people used to be able to sell millions there on a regular basis well after the physical market died almost everywhere else due to Japan's long-enduring extremely expensive physical music collecting culture and also the inability to watch full MVs online and their sole availability on physicals (Korea has done better thanks to fan physical-collecting culture too), but very rarely nowadays? Japanese or otherwise.
And SNSD sold 1M copies in 1 yr w/1 album, setting a record for foreigners or at least Kpop, at least in a very long time in Japan, which was really hard for foreign acts to achieve in Japan. TVXQ are best-selling Kings for a long time who paved the way in Japan for Kpop groups as a whole. BoA is the OG Hallyu-creating Queen in Japan and Asia as a whole. BTSslay as they do everywhere. Boy groups albums sell pretty well there. TWICE are the 2nd-highest selling (female?) Kpop act in Japan after SNSD. Kara was the best-selling Kpop (girl?) group there even more than SNSD there for a while there but SNSD took over. Japan has taken a lot of inspiration from Kpop nowadays, tho Kpop's peak mainstream heyday there was considered likely over due to political reasons between Japan and Korea a few years ago. Guess it bounced back somewhat? Etc. etc.
Songs charting anywhere after the Top3 were generally considered not actually the most popular songs back in 1st gen Jpop? Only Top 2 really counted.
Magnetic is a bop, deserves to chart high. But Idkhow high NJ's past most popular Korean hits charted in Japan either? Apparently even many Japanese K-pop fans prefer the OG Korean versions of songs, even when sometimes there are Japanese versions since they sound better in the language they were originally written in. Not sure about the Japanese public. But it's possible they do too. Maybe that has something to do w/Magnetic's charting vs Supernatural?
It's an embarrassingly late/early hour here so I'll resume discussion when my brain functions again later today after I finally get some sleep lol.
Anyone else, feel free to weigh in on in the discussion and I'll take that into account too.
Isn't this potentially bad news for the future of Kpop as a whole in Japan, tho?
If not NewJeans, who WILL become the next big Kpop group to represent 4th generation in Japan? 😳
Aespa's new Japanese debut charted a little better on Oricon and Japan Hot 100 than NJ, (#2 and #6 vs. #4 and #7), but they only sold similarly to NJ too right (61.92k)?
I guess we can always hope ILLIT will hit it big w/their cute concept? Tho they're technically 5th gen and idk if they have strong enough brand power in Asia left after the MHJ vs HYBE scandal in Korea, either?
showing how much they appreciated BTS' achievements
All the sacrifices BTS did for Korea were in vain.
It has nothing to do w/their personal feelings towards BTS, for whom they are extremely grateful and consider a national treasure and made an national cultural ambassadors and even dedicated an entire street in Busan entirely to, or to BTS's sacrifices, since everyone in Korea knows what BTS has accomplished for Korea's status on an global scale, and everything to do w/BTS being Westernized as fuck since inception, lol.
It's because IU naturally appeals more to Koreans' cultural tastes than BTS both conceptually and musically- a pure beautiful innocent virginal (for most of her career) girl who makes beautiful ballads mostly entirely in Korean for most of her career, as opposed to Westernized hip hop gangster bad boys at debut from a then-tiny company nobody ever heard of before to eventually Westernized radio boys who's biggest song both in Korea and on a global scale is entirely in English.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Both Eastern and Western tastes are valid and simply a matter of personal preference mostly based on where you happen to be born, raised, or lived in the world.
IU simply dedicated her entire career to appealing to Koreans, and BTS did pretty much the opposite, with the exception of I NEED U & Spring Day, which are more beautiful and ballad-like songs- which btw happen to all be their most impactful songs in Korea other than Dynamite, which mostly happened to be such a huge song on a global scale that even Korea couldn't ignore it since they're also part of the world, and because BTS brought so much honor and international recognition to Korea that they all felt super proud to the point that it became the #1 song in Korea and every Korean knows their name.
It's just that IU is more innately "Korean" in values, while BTS has always been about rebelling against Korean society, values, and standards.
Even you would probably like IU more than BTS if you were Korean, since you obviously already do now, and obviously aren't Korean in heritage either. And personally I think there's nothing wrong with that either. Different strokes for different folks, after all.
Koreans don't care about K-Pop anymore because K-Pop no longer cares about Koreans (at least the ones in Korea, anyway). Why WOULD they care more about K-Pop than K-sports, which also continues to bring them glory on the international scale, while actually still caring about THEM, too?
IMO, this is definitely very unfortunate for K-Pop, but definitely also very self-inflicted. Say "F U, I don't care about you anymore" to the Koreans, by trying to take the "'K' out of 'K-Pop'", and they will say "F U, I don't care about you anymore" back, too...
Just like anyone else would. 🤷🏻♀️
If anything, this is showing that K-Pop needs to start caring more about what Koreans like and want too again, at least a little bit, such as by not making title tracks in English only, or noise music only for the most part that usually appeals only to international fans, if they don't want to stunt their growth across the world, too.
P.S. Although K-Pop idols themselves view it as a lifetime achievement or huge honor to perform in the biggest stadiums in Korea (even BTS many years ago for their Love Yourself World Tour), who internationally has, until now that it's been suddenly taken away, even really cared about how many tickets K-Pop can sell in Korea, at least for years now, unless that's the only country the artist can tour in? Even the MAMA Awards care the least about Korea now and gave them by far the worst and cheapest show last time they were hosted in their home country. Most international fans only are really only impressed by those who can tour in the US and Tokyo Dome now. And even Tokyo Dome isn't seen as big of an achievement anymore, since so many Kpop groups have done it by this point. If we want Korea to like K-Pop again, we international fans and the Kpop industry need to stop constantly saying "F U" to Koreans, too, especially since we Kpop fans apparently care SOOOO much about how racist they are to other people, yet almost never condemn it amongst ourselves whenever Kpop fans are racist to the Korean, Chinese, SEA, or Japanese people, as if they don't count as people, too!
Because they were never being as genuine about that messaging as everyone liked to think, and they're not very good at keeping up the facade either. I doubt any of them are observing this comeback & thinking, "Oops, we forgot to pretend to be Kpop's resident feminists this time!" They don't care. They also know South Korea is a country that would cancel them for actually taking the whole feminism thing as seriously as their international fans perceive them to. Koreans have witch hunted other idols for exploring the topic.
That’s true about SK canceling them if they took the feminism thing really seriously (aka, all the members actually announced in an interview they are feminists or something lol), and it seems like you’re right about them not being genuine about feminism either. But as a (casual) (G)I-DLE fan and feminist who became a fan of them because of their girl power concept since debut, I’m super disappointed that they so casually ran in the entire completely opposite direction without a single thought, and worst of all, that not as many people as there should be seem to be calling them out for this.
In my opinion, this should be a huge controversy for (G)I-DLE! At least internationally, if not in Korea! Of course, there would be huge backlash from the fans who are either misogynists or don’t really care at all about feminism whatsoever, and just like using it to their convenience when it’s to uplift their favorite idols, and then throw it aside when it’s inconvenient to stanning them, but as someone who ACTUALLY cares about it I will probably stop being a fan of them starting now because of the blatant and unabashed sexism of their lead single. We should not be glorifying, celebrating, or worst of all, actively *inviting* sexual harassment in 2024!
Then again, I still stanned Girls Generation-TTS after their lead single Holler in 2014 which has similar themes of asking men to “holler” at them, and even bought their album in spite of hating Holler because they were so beautiful, talented and successful still, which in my opinion still embodied the ideals of feminism at its core (in addition to their Holler album b-sides being simply amazing if you ignore Holler).
So maybe at the end of the day, I’m just as bad as the fans who may excuse the catcalling theme in this song too simply because they love (G)I-DLE, just as much as l loved Girls’ Generation TaeTiSeo….?
Wahh, how will I look at myself in the mirror from now on….
They've made, like, one feminist song. The rest of their more recent output has just been them positioning themselves as the latest sexy concept girl group while framing it in some girl power nonsense.
Okay, but even if I go along with/humor you and frame their newest songs as “sexy concept framed as girl power nonsense”, why would they suddenly diverge so much from the “girl power” concept which was extremely successful for them to something so sexist, for the sake of one “sexy summer song”?? Doesn’t make any sense to me marketing-wise when most of their fanbase and public attention came from the girl power concept/songs~??
Blop/flop, but does anyone else realize how NOT-feminist the whole concept/lyrics of this song/video is compared to (G)I-DLE’s other stuff?? The whole thing is about wanting guys to honk at you in their cars (usually a way to sexually harass females)
You made a great point, so I'm glad you shared it with me. In my defense, 
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The rest of their more recent output has just been them positioning themselves as the latest sexy concept girl group while framing it in some girl power nonsense.
