i did mean i remember their fans said they have big chinese fanbase also their sales re from china..now this is suspecious...1 M sales for unit singles..in usa..
Im not naive..they have only casual fans no real fanbase..
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we know sm ceo is so private person compared yg and jyp...he never appared with other sm groups.but did with lucas...weird situation..they think lucas can save sm as nct member or soloist...
Sm deserve big strategy lesson of market like kakao or hybe
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lee sooman is only vice ceo or manager ceo for sm groups...
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he is dozen..im just honest..he can't get along with other members since this is awkward situation...yet i guess solo carrer for him...
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both soulmates
Annyeongz supremacy
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i guess his international fanbase support him so much even he is boycotted in china...esp weibo...the knetizens dont support him...at all
Sm want what with him ..he is useless aka dozen..if he want solo debut lol..
WayV flop hard..sm want support problematic man again...
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Wow first gg of yg with vocal skills (no perfect technique asleast they can improved much)
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I forget wendy im sorry this is comments pann brainwashing me lol
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isn't one member aka new boyfriend selena gomez
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If I may speak up, I feel like the more the generations progress, the more the skills are downgrading. People claim that it's all about voice colors, but honestly they lack the basics. so they claim that it's just about "voice color". When there's a team with no voice abilities, they claim that it's because their voice colors are pretty. Of course the companies will edit their voices on the broadcasts to make their voice sound pretty like the digital versions but when there's no arrangement and they sing raw, they don't sound like their digital versions. And the videos that the fans are sharing around are all the videos that the company made. They've already edited their voices to sound pretty and I've never seen a show that's 100% live anymore
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So the 3rd generation is also lacking in singing ability compared to the 2nd generation though...? There were Hyorin, Park Bom, Luna, Taeyeon, Solji, Eunji, etc. Even for male idols, there were Kim Junsu, Taeyang, Yang Yoseob, Sandeul, Kyuhyun, Heo Youngaeng, etc.
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Honestly ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Even though she's not an idol but when you listen to Kwon Jinah sing Hype Boy in the norebang ㅋㅋㅋㅋ It feels like a slap to the original versionㅋㅋㅋ Their digital version literally uses all possible kinds of post-recording arrangements, I rather see them sing with their real voices as if they're in a norebang instead. They keep pushing the new type of songs, new type of singing ability, there's nothing new about it. they're just falling back.. It's just that the post-editing skills have improved rather than the voices.. And it's not only them. this applies to all idols. The fans are always praising the encore lives, but if you actually watched their videos, they all sound unstable. Their voice power is so small and you can hear all the mistakes. And when the fans are trying to shield them, rather than shielding the ones who actually hit the high notes, they shield the ones who have a "new kind" of voice color
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But nobody would listen to songs of singers who actually know how to sing. Honestly soloists are all good at lives, but they don't get half as much support and attention as idols. Meanwhile people swear at idols for lacking skils tsk tsk
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I honestly didn't feel like the 3rd gen had any stand out vocals either?? If you look at the 4th gen, they have Lily, Swan, but if you look at the 3rd gen, there's only Yuju. And for male idols, I can't think of anyone in the 4th gen, but if you look at the 3rd gen, there's Baekhyun, Eunkwang. None of them can compare to the male and female vocals of the 2nd gen. For reference, Solji is from the 2nd gen. And even for people like Lily and Swan, they're not even considered A-list in terms of their groups. It's true that the skills are falling behind
[enter-talk] DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT THE 4TH GEN FEMALE IDOLS' VOCAL SKILLS ARE FALLING BEHIND?We translate Pann articles about Korean news, music, drama and lifestylewww.pannchoa.comMy opinion..the 3 gen kpop stans love overreacting the vocal in 3 gen..when there re many vocalists in 4gen..in reality..esp nmixx get suck songs..this is waste ..there re many nugu strong vocalists in 4gen.
I notice no main vocal for boy group in 4gen..no stand out lol
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No recently the kpop stans trying drag wonyoung as direspectful idol in others video...no relate at wonyoung bowing...when the comments just praised wonyoung ...they will used as their proofs wonyoung is bully for them...lol such weirdo..behaviour
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I never said the fandom edited it. Trying to defend Wonyoung doesn't mean you need to be condescending. It's honestly perplexing that you don't see that by taking it so far, you run the risk of becoming just as bad as those knetz picking on Wonyoung. Stop letting toxicity breed toxicity. Be better than them.
Thid is only international fans re proud at cyberbullying wonyoung ..for her bowing ...they re weirdo since wonyoung did blend her knees with her height and weight when she want bowing hard 90° ..as wonyoung Stan this is obvious wonyoung have problem health ...she isnt always being careful about perfect bowing...asleast she is realist as human..i have seen many idols done bowing like her..they will never get overanalysed and critized like wonyoung...
Yes sometime i trying stay calm with myself...but the kpop stans love overreacting everything toward wonyoung like if she is their ennemy...even when she did walk faster...this is uncomfortable for scrutined her every time...she can't eat,speak up abouther opinion,smile ..without their fu.k opinions..she is teenager..she debuted at 13 yo in kpop industry...many people forget...
Yes The knetizens re not better imo for other things..asleast they know wonyoung isn't wrong with their bowing
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I hope everyone reales that this issue of bowing is not something we as foreigners can really understand correctly or natively and thus to comment on it to the level of telling actual Koreans what the actual degree of bowing should be etc.
Three points:
- Using English wikipedia as a source when A) anyone can start it and then B) anyone can edit it...
- Look up the word condescending. This thread embodies it.
- If you're not Korean, stop acting like you know the culture as if you're Korean
Why the wonyoung stans or dives will edit trying Wikipedia lol...we re not big fanbase or crazy imo...
This is thing 15 ° is real even without Wikipedia..
The foreigners kpop stans want just shade popular teenager cause they re insecurity and like believe evil tiktok edits...like mnet...
Wonyoung is never called out for being disrespectfull..w this issue bowing ..they want ruined wonyoung's carrer
Nod Isn't bowing...15 ° bow is real bow ...
- Using English wikipedia as a source when A) anyone can start it and then B) anyone can edit it...
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another episode of netizens being picky & attacking an idol for something small or insignificant
They trying hard cancelled only her but failed..cause they re troll here...
I have seen many males bowing rarely yet they get never big hate as wonyoung...
I hope the international fans know that now...15° bow is considered respectful..no glorify 90° bow..really unrealist bowing daily..
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æ kill that
Such star lol..
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i know Minji was one popular member..in nj w haerin but yes direspectful toward Danielle..they re coworker i know this is sure...
Like that hybe give full time job at minji as mc..interesing
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i dont know the arab but here...Translation via Twitter Google Translation...
"The director of Inkigayo said to Minji, "You know I'm upset with you that you're going to go to Music Bank, in front of Daniel!" (In the sense that he wanted Minji Al-Amsy to be his right) even though Daniel Al-Amsy righted them. Look at Hayen's looks at Danielle
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