[enter-talk] I hope SM starts acknowledging that NCT's system has failed

Quote from 0ppar

They should settle the existing members in their respective groups now and let us fangirl comfortably in the upcoming term

I mean, OP is making it obvious they are a solo unit stan and they're most likely not happy with two members in both sub-units. lol

Quote from 0ppar

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From SM standard, they're really failures... And this is coming from an NCTzen's perspective ㅠㅠ

lying UNPROVOKED

SM is so stupid for doing this. Look at other boy groups that hit it with the gp more than focusing on fandom, like Ikon for example. NCT could be where they are right now but instead, they sell 2m mill per album/unit and on everybody's mind 24/7 boo-fucking-hooo.

Also

"I wouldn't say the members are straight nobodies, but they're getting hate because of the system"

if these people are this stupid enough to hate because of that then no one wants their support.

Quote from 0ppar

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But honestly speaking there are no boy groups who debuted the same year as NCT who are doing better than them either

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I would consider NCT a success no? They're not about the general public recognition but all about growing their fandom. Right now Korean boy groups that are successful can be counted on your fingers, if NCT was really a failure than there are barely 2 or 3 boy groups wo are actually successful?

these two comments are making good points

Quote from 0ppar

Honestly the members are all charming and they're fine but the system makes it so uncomfortable to fangirl

how can you say that when all NCT has is visual/photocard stans that are always fangirling over the members

But nctzen don't want to listen

Nonw.od this dude Ms will have a stable career(except for ww that escape to china, good for him)

Sm have little to no interest in developing their solo career bc that won't bring money like group do so why bother, but to their fans that ok

With their current sales, I think SM is pretty happy with NCT now

Quote from 0ppar

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From SM standard, they're really failures... And this is coming from an NCTzen's perspective ㅠㅠ

NCTzen my ass.

they bored

did we return to 2019 ?

Quote from killingtime1934

Nonw.od this dude Ms

You're frothing at the mouth. Mind your blood pressure.

It took a while (5 years I think) for NCT to finally be mentioned as one of the top groups. The beauty of the system made that fact not important because the brand will keep on existing even if the members have retired. Imagine a normal group only getting successful at their 5th years and usually by that time some will have to enlist. Disaster! So I don’t think the system failed them, it saved them.

That's why I only stan their music not the members

Quote from nevermindmejin

It took a while (5 years I think) for NCT to finally be mentioned as one of the top groups. The beauty of the system made that fact not important because the brand will keep on existing even if the members have retired. Imagine a normal group only getting successful at their 5th years and usually by that time some will have to enlist. Disaster! So I don’t think the system failed them, it saved them.

it is really not that unusual. Look at Super Junior for example, they debuted in 2005 and it wasn't until 2009 that they became talked about as a top group. there was also Nu'est who debuted in 2012 and didn't really catch on until their gig in pd101 in like 2018 (? cmiiw), the same can even be said about BTS. I think it can also be said about Stray kids, they debuted in 2017 or 2018 and it wasn't until last year that they joined the race for top groups of the next generation.

in fact it is rare for boy groups to rise to the top as quickly as girl groups usually do, even those from big3 companies.

Quote from chounim

it is really not that unusual. Look at Super Junior for example, they debuted in 2005 and it wasn't until 2009 that they became talked about as a top group. there was also Nu'est who debuted in 2012 and didn't really catch on until their gig in pd101 in like 2018 (? cmiiw), the same can even be said about BTS. I think it can also be said about Stray kids, they debuted in 2017 or 2018 and it wasn't until last year that they joined the race for top groups of the next generation.

in fact it is rare for boy groups to rise to the top as quickly as girl groups usually do, even those from big3 companies.

Fair points. I guess I was subconsciously comparing them with Blackpink who debuted the same year as them lol. But you’re right, GGs seems to rise quicker but usually fall quicker too compared to BGs.

I think that the large size of the entire NCT ensemble as well as the modular multi-group format were the cause of NCT's rise to their current success and popularity taking even longer than usual.

The whole system is flexible and more robust, which is why SM did it in the first place, but it also takes more time to settle in and fans to get used to it than a regular, standard group. The advantage seems to be that they can add new members and flexible switch members in NCT units' comebacks without too much of a fuss. Like what happened with Super Junior when 2 additional members got added.