People have an odd obsession with “flopping”

I feel like it's so pointless as well, even if they were "flopping" it's strange to me that some people would get happy enough about their lack of success to make threads on it, and don't get me started on fake concern types

Because it’s petty and that’s 95% of what kpop is. I don’t see that much of an issue with it.

If someone calling an artist a flop makes you upset, then that says more about you than anything else. Stop being emotionally attached to ppl you don’t know. There’s just ppl who make music, nothing special.

Get over it.

True words. I am reaaaly tired of these pathetic people and unfortunately, they are the majority on the internet.

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Because it’s petty and that’s 95% of what kpop is. I don’t see that much of an issue with it.

If someone calling an artist a flop makes you upset, then that says more about you than anything else. Stopping being emotionally attached to ppl you don’t know. There’s just ppl who make music, nothing special.

Get over it.

I see your point because being too attached or overly involved in a fandom like kpop is always a bad idea but at the same time it still does say a lot about a person in general if they are satisfied with the lack of success others have, and might be a sign of projecting or toxicity

If there's people that only stan a group because they are successful of course there will be people that like to see other groups flop. But at the end of the day they are just irrelevant, idc about them.

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I never said I was upset about it, just is pathetic as hell to me

But you have a history with being that type, so not surprised you got triggered lmfao

You get over it

“i never said i was upset about it” No, you just decided to make a thread to cry about it.

Either just enjoy the music or deal with the fandom side of kpop. You choose. Maybe they are flopping. If you’re on a kpop forum, you should be fine with discussing kpop. That includes the positive and negative. It’s stupid to complain about it.

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I see your point because being too attached or overly involved in a fandom like kpop is always a bad idea but at the same time it still does say a lot about a person in general if they are satisfied with the lack of success others have, and might be a sign of projecting or toxicity

Again, your making it too personal. No one shitting on a group’s performance ACTUALLY cares about that group failing. It’s 100% fandom related to get a reaction (or just stating an evidence-based opinion). It’s the fandom aspect of kpop and shouldn’t be taken as a personal attack on idols (hence why i said having a emotional connection is the problem).

We are here to discuss kpop, that means groups performing well and groups flopping. If your gonna get hurt everytime someone states a opinion about a group’s performance, you shouldn’t be here or atleast stay away from negative threads.

Fr. It's mostly people not liking a group/song and trying to use pseudo science to prove its "flopping" when anyone with common sense can tell otherwise.

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It’s funny how you keep saying “you’re feelings get hurt” and whatnot, yet you just fought with your life to defend undermining artist cuz someone else made a thread about it being weirdo behavior. And you’re the only one in here doing it might I add

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They're just angry cause they probably make these kinds of posts.

I think sometimes flop for a popular group is a great thing. It allows to get rid of all the toxic part of the fandom which is only there for the success of the group.

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Again, your making it too personal. No one shitting on a group’s performance ACTUALLY cares about that group failing. It’s 100% fandom related to get a reaction. It’s the fandom aspect of kpop and shouldn’t be taken as a personal attack on idols (hence why i said having a emotional connection is the problem).

We are here to discuss kpop, that means groups performing well and groups flopping. If your gonna get hurt everytime someone states a opinion about a group’s performance, you shouldn’t be here or atleast stay away from negative threads.

I don't care since I'm not a stan but looking at it from an outside perspective, obviously those people who do it to get a reaction have nothing better to do is all. Of course someone can dislike and maybe point out that a group is not doing that well since they're free to but at some point you have to turn around and question, it's only the "fandom aspect of Kpop" because people don't question how it's strange to jump at a group to constantly be negative

It is because a lot of kpop fans seem to think their faves' success is theirs and enjoy bragging about it in ways that, a lot of times, gets pretty obnoxious.

So when their faves underperform some people jump on the occasion to point it out because they know it will hurt their pride.

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It’s funny how you keep saying “you’re feelings get hurt” and whatnot, yet you just fought with your life to defend undermining artist cuz someone else made a thread about it being weirdo behavior. And you’re the only one in here doing it might I add

Definition of deflection

“undermining artist”

Your not even making sense anymore. Pointing out the objective truth that a group isn’t selling well or charting well isn’t “undermining artist”. It’s telling the truth. If the truth upsets you, then you’re emotionally invested and irrational.

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I don't care since I'm not a stan but looking at it from an outside perspective, obviously those people who do it to get a reaction have nothing better to do is all. Of course someone can dislike and maybe point out that a group is not doing that well since they're free to but at some point you have to turn around and question, it's only the "fandom aspect of Kpop" because people don't question how it's strange to jump at a group to constantly be negative

We’re literally posting on a kpop forum, obviously we have nothing better to do with our time lmao. I don’t see much difference in wasting time from what you just posted and someone taunting a fandom by calling their group flops. People get their enjoyment how they get their enjoyment.

And yes you’re right, but it’s been a pillar of fandom culture for years and even if majority of ppl stopped doing it, it would never fully be eradicated cause you can’t really police ppl on the internet. Especially when kpop stans tend to get emotionally invested and willing to fight online for korean idols half-way across the world.

It’s unrealistic to think the solution to the problem is as simple as “we should call out the weird behavior”

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I don’t have to be emotionally invested in an artist to be annoyed by it or think it’s weird. Hell half the time I don’t even know the artist like that let alone stan them, but it’s still obnoxious seeing idiots hyping up threads about it

You kinda do, because if you weren’t you’d ignore it and go on about you day, but here you are, creating a thread to argue about how “annoyed” you are that anon people online with nothing better to do are insulting your faves.

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We’re literally posting on a kpop forum, obviously we have nothing better to do with our time lmao. I don’t see much difference in wasting time from what you just posted and someone taunting a fandom by calling their group flops. People get their enjoyment how they get their enjoyment.

And yes you’re right, but it’s been a pillar of fandom culture for years and even if majority of ppl stopped doing it, it would never fully be eradicated cause you can’t really police ppl on the internet. Especially when kpop stans tend to get emotionally invested and willing to fight online for korean idols half-way across the world.

It’s unrealistic to think the solution to the problem is as simple as “we should call out the weird behavior”

It depends on perspective I guess, I'm not here to spend my time being negative which is a good enough reason for me to believe I'm not wasting my time. True it is unrealistic, there's not really a full solution to this which is why it's best to stay away from being involved in fandom culture. But, it's also fair for people involved in it to disagree with it and fair to call people out for their bs if they wish, which people should expect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

People who get satisfaction and joy from other people's misfortunes will forever be pathetic and weak. Then you add the fact that said people behind the safety of their devices, it's bottom feeding mentality.

Everything Lubby said, and also, I think "flop" should be "relative to expectations."

Like when a lot of idols starting going solo, people would call everyone a flop when they weren't hitting Taeyeon's sales... She's literally one of the best selling and charting soloists. The threshold for "flop" can't be "if you didn't set a new record, you failed."

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I swear nothing is funnier than calling out the toxic/negative behaviors of certain stans in a general sense, and specific users basically outing themselves as examples cuz they felt some type of way about the call out

Show me where i ever said a group was flopping?

I’ll wait

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Obviously I’m not gonna dig through history, but let’s be real bruh, we all know you have done it multiple times

With that said, even if you have never called a group a flop before (which you have), getting this defensive over the topic at the very least outs you as a suspect for being that type

So best case scenario, you seem like the type to do it. Worst case scenario, you are exactly the type to do it

Which one is it

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More like you have no idea what your talking about and look like a clown. It’s very easy to search by user and key word flop. I’m guessing you did and saw i haven’t.

But go off i guess. Imagine thinking you know someone’s post history just cause they called you out...... Real clown behavior

I want to ask one thing : What's wrong in calling something a flop if it's actually flopping?

People use the term just because they dislike someone now.

For example, someone on here said Lisa failed in every way even though she had the biggest selling female K pop solo of all time, and could even hit a million sales.

The word has become meaningless.

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Which means it’s only a matter of time until you do it again

You actually sound like a psychopath. When presented with evidence that your whole analysis of me is 100% wrong, you STILL double down and claim i’ve called groups flops.

Maybe admit you are wrong like an adult and realize for me it’s about the principle. It’s a kpop forums, users should be able to talk about kpop, whether that is negative opinions or positive opinions. If you don’t like that, then get off the forums, join a fan club, or only look at your faves guild.

But to want to police whether kpop fans can say whether a group is performing well or underperforming is craziness.

If a group doesn't chart n°1 flops

If their MV doesn't get 100 million views flops

If a show doesn't get 20% rating flops

Seriously this obsession over numbers is getting out hand people can enjoy things without them being hits people have the right to watch whatever they like if you don't like move on

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Like I’m very confused. If you don’t support group, artist, show, etc, what concern of it is yours whether they “flopped” or not?

And if you have to make threads or posts about someone flopping…. Maybe just maybe they’re not as much flops as you think since clearly they’re relevant enough to be on your mind, let alone talk about them

Just an observation lol

And people call anything they don’t like flop so much, that the word looses its value. Only in Kpop if you receive a 100%, you gotta earn a 120% or else you’ll be called flops

Like imagine calling an artist, with a job, a flop. Meanwhile you live in your mothers house rent free doing nothing with your life but bashing others behind a keyboard who actually reached their dreams & are (in some cases) getting a check for it

Jealousy is a silent killer

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Exactly lmao