Twice's performance at Victoria's Secret was live and NOT good.........

    Twice is getting alot of criticism from locals who watched the show saying their singing was bad or not nice but I have yet to see if this will impact the kpop world the same way aespa's GMA performance drama gate did...


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    WHERE IS THEIR GIGANTIC CRITICAL (HATE) TRAIN TO HELP THEM IMPROVE AND DO BETTER??!


    I truly wonder if they will get the same treatment as aespa for GMA performance, really :?: When it's way worse by all metrics, as they were LIVE, in a much BIGGER show, 10 years into their career and only 4 members present which half of them are supposed to be lead vocals :pepe-tea: .

    No hate towards Twice and don't wish them to get the same treatement as aespa, but WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARTS? Aren't Twice a top group too?


    I'm pretty sure if they get a critical articles about them, the 'criticism' will end in a day or two, when aespa's media harrassment lasted for WEEKS. Questioning even their talent as performers and clowning their legacy!

  • Tatiana1820

    Changed the title of the thread from “Twice's performance at Victoria's Secret was live and terrible...” to “Twice's performance at Victoria's Secret was live and NOT good.........”.
    Quote from jeyikal307

    All evidence to the contrary, though, right?

    I genuinely don't wish ANYONE to go through a media harrassement like that, come on!


    Being humiliated, ridiculed for WEEKS. Not even twice deserve this when i think not singing live well or being stuck in a lipsync controversy is not similar at all.


    Yeah some people are saying they didn't enjoy their voice, we get it. They felt the performance was underwelming and they could have done better, i get it too.


    That sh*t is gonna trend a day or two and that's it. But WEEKS of media harrassment, ridicule with a clear intent to destroy a group's shine and legacy, that's another sh*t altoghether :!:

  • AllKill VIP

    Tbh i don't know what JYP thought


    First of all it was bound to be a mess you sent the 2 worst singer of the group with the 2 best singer

    The gap is so evident listening to them and considering that they are not many this time

    Momo and Tzuyu have to sing more


    So they can't rely on the other members to hide their weakness like they do usually

    Which highlight even more their weak vocal


    And second of all, Twice is a group with very nasally voice especially Nayeon, Momo and tzuyu

    Which isn't the type of voice that Western public likes a lot


    They can manage it in during performance where the public know kpop or have been expose to kpop

    Like during pallalloza for example people at festival go often to different festival and see different artist


    But the Victoria Secret public is very different from the public they face usually so they have different expectations


    And sending Momo and tzuyu here with nayeon and jihyo was a bad idea

    It would have been better to maybe send Sana and another member


    Vocally it was a mess but it wasn't so bad to criticize them like these people are doing

    Quote from Tatiana1820

    Being humiliated, ridiculed for WEEKS. Not even twice deserve this when i think not singing live well or being stuck in a lipsync controversy is not similar at all.

    So, I want to make sure that I understand the position here.

    You think that Twice don't deserve it, but, if anyone deserves it, Twice deserves it more than Aespa. Have I got that right?


    And the reason you made this thread is because Twice won't get the hate train that you think they don't deserve (but deserve more than Aespa), even though by your own receipts, they are getting dragged to filth.


    Is this a fair reading?

    no they deserve the 'constructive criticism' more, or just people being dissapointed in their performance. because not being able to sing live is not your fault really, but not delivering a good vocal performance kinda is.


    but they do NOT deserve an INFLATED hate train that last for weeks to clown their talents and entire legacy tho.


    BUT aespa got one when they were barely deserving of a fiew days critical opinions, which was mostly an sm problem in the first place.


    I just pointed out how people, crows, fandoms, or probably even hybe tag pr teams are so CRUEL and VIOLENT towards aespa. Every damn time!

    I feel bad for them. IMO it was standard kpop bad which isn’t any different than majority (if they didn’t have backtracks) but because it was the VS event it’s been highlighted and made out much worse :!:


    I’ve seen tweets from people that don’t follow k-pop talking about their music or clips of the models walking and the music/vocals in the background sounds pretty bad. It’s unfortunate but it will blow over :oops:


    Edit: just read the op! Probably best not to compare hate! what happened to aespa has happened. This will blow over for Twice too!


    Of course it’s the usual rival fandoms fuelling the flames on other platforms :!: kpop fandoms have such a cat and dog mentality :facepalm:

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from Tatiana1820

    no they deserve the 'criticism' more. not an INFLATED hate train that last for weeks to clown their talents and entire legacy.

    Okay, so, the singers in Twice deserve more criticism for singing live and flubbing several times than if they had lipsynced.


    Here's the thing: If they had lipsynced, they still would have been dragged. But they probably would have been dragged less. Agree?

    Yet two of the performers last night lipsynced the entire way through their performances despite not doing remotely intensive choreo. It's weird how they don't get held to the same standards as Twice OR Lisa OR Aespa, isn't it?


    If Twice had performed like they had at Lolla, there would be no backlash, there would be no controversy, and this thread wouldn't exist. But if Twice had performed like they did at Lolla, you would also have nothing to say. Just like the thread praising Aespa for their incredibly stable live vocals recently on here has very little engagement.

    In both cases, the bad performance gets the most talk, usually from people who don't have anything at all to contribute when the performances go well.


    I will agree with you that Twice's screw-up here is more consequential in real terms, because nobody cares about Good Morning America. Personally I'll always credit live singing over lipsync, but I'm not going to criticise a group over lipsync because this is the reaction a less-than-perfect performance gets. And it's impossible to guarantee a perfect performance. Alicia Keys received a hate train for a voice crack after well over a decade of exceptional performances.


    What I'm trying to say is that "well, my faves got it bad where's the hate train for the others" is exactly the reason your faves got it bad in the first place. Maybe if Le Sserafim didn't get dragged for their Coachella performance, Aespa wouldn't have gotten dragged as much for their GMA performance. And it would have started from the same place: "Why is there double standards? I don't want anybody to get hate, but my faves got hated so bad.. and at least they sang live while these other's don't even try! These other shouldn't be hated... But if there was justice, there'd be even more hate for them... You know.. if there was equality"

    So what is this thread? Is it advancing a good cause, or just perpetuating the nonsense?


    Twice already got an inflated hate train that lasted for over a year btw, so if you want the scales to be even, they've been even...

    Quote from huRRicane8

    Tbh honest it wasn’t that bad many people make it out to be. They lacked charisma but singing was normal for live performance. And also if Tzuyu was sick they should’ve sent another member, because with Nayeon and Jihyo they sounded not so good


    twice were overall mid/average/underwelming as a kpop group i guess, but for this level of exposure to the locals specially they were definitly not good enough and got critised for their performance both vocally and stage presence wise.


    and madison's singning must have highlited that i agree. but even lisa the weakest bp vocalist didn't get this reaction eventho she performed the same day as tyla.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from jeyikal307

    Madison Beer lipsynced.

    Yeah and ?


    I think some of you don't understand that people watching the VS show aren't watching it for the performer but for the show itself

    The performer are more like background music for the runaway


    So most of these people just expect good music with good vocal


    That's why madison beer is getting praise and twice is being criticize for their performance


    I think one important qualities that a performer should have is the ability to adapt to your public and the situation you are in

    oh please stop that cap, the first mega hate train ANYONE got was aespa after their coachella stage. which was all live and where they sang well. and guess who has been exposed for instigating and blowing that hate train? HYBE!


    yes, the same people who have an 18k reports slandering the whole industry!


    maybe hybe should stop pushing smear compaings against their rivals if they don't wont the same sh*t blowing in their face, specially when they send their under qualified payola group in such important events :eyeroll-pepe:!

    and being critical or disliking a performance is NOT an hate train. or I whould probably add, a SMEAR COMPAING. and I already said, i don't wish that on neither groups.

    Well, in an ideal world you have good live vocals, isn't it? Which I agree Twice did not deliver unfortunately.

    You're right that I don't really understand the Victoria's Secret fashion show culture and conventions. I thought Missy Elliott was the standout performance (100% live, killer energy, extremely charismatic), but I saw the VS fans complain that it was like a concert lmao.

    Quote from Tatiana1820

    No hate towards Twice

    No, this is literally nothing but hate and performative outrage. Don't bring Blink Twitter nonsense here. :rolleyes: Imagine being this petty just because people criticized another group for not even singing at all.


    Quote from SooYoung

    First of all it was bound to be a mess you sent the 2 worst singer of the group with the 2 best singer

    Tzuyu is NOT one of their worst singers. She was SICK. :facepalm:


    Yeah, great performance that was. 100% lip synced. ¬‿¬ Obviously Twice should have just done the same, since none of you profesional performance critics can ever tell the difference anyway.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from jeyikal307

    but I saw the VS fans complain that it was like a concert lmao.


    Quote from Tatiana1820

    but even lisa the weakest bp vocalist didn't get this reaction eventho she performed the same day as tyla.

    I think the problem with twice

    Is that Their live vocal didn't deliver

    And even putting their vocal aside, the performance didn't deliver


    That's why the regular spectator of VS are criticizing them


    Twice did a performance that they would do at a music show

    Which is great for kpop fans stardard


    But it's not in the spirit of the performance that you see during VS show


    For a regular spectator their performance was tasteless and plain


    Go watch lisa, madison beer, taylor swift, rihanna etc... Performance at VS show usually


    These performance looks big , grandiose, with a huge scenography etc...

    Performer are interacting a lot with the model etc..


    But Twice didn't have anything like this and felt quite "cheap" to the usual performance that happen at VS show usually

    So it's also another point that regular spectator of VS show didn't like about twice performance

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from jeyikal307

    Well, in an ideal world you have good live vocals, isn't it?

    Yeah in an ideal world where you have good vocal to do a live performance then do it


    But it wasn't the case here Jihyo is the only real stand out

    The rest were all shaky

    Tzuyu was sick


    When you prepare to go perform in front of a public you don't know

    In this situation


    The best thing is to put everything on your side to minimize the critics


    And it this case it would have been to maybe lipsync and if they didn't want then perform with a loud backtrack that can hide the mistake that tzuyu could have madz because of her sickness


    Sometimes it's better to put on a good performance and lip sync or use a backtrack

    Then go out there to do a bad live performance and just expose yourselves to the critics just to boost your ego to say that you sung live


    But that's just my opinion

    Quote from Tatiana1820

    oh please stop that cap, the first mega hate train ANYONE got was aespa after their coachella stage.

    Remember, kids, Internet hate didn't exist until Aespa came along. It was a virtual utopia for its first 30 years of existence, where no one ever fought or insulted anyone, especially celebrities, and everyone gathered around the campfire (gif) and sang (typed) Kumbaya every night in perfect harmony. Ahh, the good old days of pre-Aespa Internet... :holding-back-tears:

    I agree with you on this. They should’ve used louder backtrack if not for all but most of the times, it would sound better. I understand where they are coming from wanting to perform live but when you can’t you should get a little help

    I should apologize to Jihyo, i didn’t know she had such powerful tones, and her live control is really good.

    Nayeon surprised me a bit; her voice really depends on the songs chosen, and these songs don’t flatter her voice much.

    I’m not gonna talk about the other two.


    and correct me if i'm wrong but Aespa got a bunch of hate because they lyps too much not because of their skills

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from icyruios

    I actually didn't think they were that terrible?


    They sound what I expected them to be

    Yeah because we are used to it

    We are kpop fans


    But if artists perform at these type of events it's to seduce a new public, not the public they already have


    And it was a fail challenge


    I was actually surprise at this tweet that doesn't even mention twice, talk about the music etc....

    To see so many non kpop fans complaining about the vocals, how they think that the song doesn't fit at all the show

    And the rest of the comment and quotes are just clowning VS for giving to this girl "chicken wing"


    So i think the bad reception to their performance go deeper than just the vocals


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    Quote from huRRicane8

    Tbh honest it wasn’t that bad many people make it out to be. They lacked charisma but singing was normal for live performance. And also if Tzuyu was sick they should’ve sent another member, because with Nayeon and Jihyo they sounded not so good

    This tired excuse is so outdated, K-pop fans and labels need to stop babying idols.


    I’ve heard it a million times and it’s always when their mic is fully ON

    And no, I’m not just talking about Twice

  • AllKill VIP

    1. Id still rather watch this than Aespa's performance. Twice (mainly Tzuyu) was lacking in vocals. Aespa was lacking on all 3 fronts

    2. Complaining about double standards and lack of hate train compared to Aespa when twice was one of the few groups actually cancelled for their performance issues.


    What Aespa went through wasn't even that bad. Their fans out other groups through worse on the daily

  • AllKill VIP

    lol, we really making this thread because Aespa got criticized for lip syncing and had poor choreography on GMA stage ?


    It’s clear that twice wasn’t at their best and this would’ve been avoided if they performed as good as they did during Lollapalooza


    I think the major issue it was glaring that they couldn’t match Jihyo’s energy. I think they should’ve honestly used a loud backtrack so they can hide members not being 100% . I think that could have avoided some of this discourse .


    I will stand by my statement I rather see twice performance than artist lip syncing


    Also twice aren’t bad performers they proved that with their Lollapalooza performance . Not many groups can have this kind of performance

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    Also , most people in North America don’t care about Victoria secret show . I’m unsure if it even gets allot of views . Only certain section of kpop fans making this a major deal that isn’t really happening here

    Quote from butterbutterfly

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    i only spilled tho.


    i gave my opinion and that was it i moved on. i didn't bully this group for weeks and i mostly blamed hybe.


    having an opinion on someone's performance is not hate speech , specially on SUCH scale that is anything but not orchestrated professionally and fuelled by jealous rival group fans.

    Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

    1. Id still rather watch this than Aespa's performance. Twice (mainly Tzuyu) was lacking in vocals. Aespa was lacking on all 3 fronts

    2. Complaining about double standards and lack of hate train compared to Aespa when twice was one of the few groups actually cancelled for their performance issues.


    What Aespa went through wasn't even that bad. Their fans out other groups through worse on the daily

    aespa are the most hated group of this gen (apart of hybe's smear compain on nj)


    since pre debut, debut, coachella, abscences, anything, 'lipsync' when everyone lipsyncs etc...


    im sorry but nothing was served on that vs's night except jihyo again carrying twice on her back. EVEN with a big stage and back up dancers!


    and twice got numerous backlash for their bad vocals. THAT'S a REAL issue. not bad stage production statistic.


    even tho neither of the groups deserve hate trains/constant media harrassment/smear compains, but guess who gets it ALL THE TIME.

    Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

    All this fuss and I'm not even seeing any backlash from so called "locals"

    It's just the normal Blink v Once/Army performance fanwar that's been going on for year


    None of the performances seemed to be hyped this year, they're just praising the singers for being hot

    Honestly, most people don’t talk about performances for this show. I just googled the show, and first results that pop up are about the fashion shown. Then like nothing about any of the performances .


    Most people don’t care about VSFS performances . The only ones that will continue to get mentioned are Rihanna, Destiny’s child and other performances from the 2000s. The show isn’t what it used to be and is not in conversation like that where people talk about it for days

    I actually agree, in itself LSF didn't deserve their media bullying. Specially at this scale. They were rather mediocre and at times bad but their ovall performance didn't deserve this level of backlash. I think it was accumulated vocal controversies too...


    But HYBE DID :!:


    And in SOOOO many ways.


    Firstly because it serves HYBE right to drag other groups through mud and start hate trains/ smear compains (look into their abhorant 18k report!).


    They got a taste of their own medicine. I'm telling you LSF were victimes of HYBE's incomperence, greed and heinous sins and what happend to them was (for the most part) divine backlash because of HYBE evil deeds :pepe-tea: .

    The girls were the victims on all fronts. Not well prepared by hybe, their rivals being slandered by their daddy day and night and just being a nasty demonic piece of sh*t trying to ruin and steal an innocent succesful group's career.


    I know WHO is to blame and WHO should have gotten a media harrassement train :!:

    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    Remember, kids, Internet hate didn't exist until Aespa came along. It was a virtual utopia for its first 30 years of existence, where no one ever fought or insulted anyone, especially celebrities, and everyone gathered around the campfire (gif) and sang (typed) Kumbaya every night in perfect harmony. Ahh, the good old days of pre-Aespa Internet... :holding-back-tears:

    maybe i should have mentionned in 4th gen cause that was my initial thaught. of course there were countless hate trains through all gens.

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