Kpop fandoms are full of hypocrites? Giselle should be under fire or not? Who to blame?

Another interesting topic to discuss, I missed out on this one, because I didn't want to see or hear anything about the new aespa comeback.

I'm not gonna say anything, because it doesn't matter anyway, but it's interesting to see the response from Kpop stans to say the least. Somehow, mainstream Kpop always gets a free pass.

So, who to blame? Kpop fans are hypocrites? Is it SM's or Giselle's fault? This ain't her first rodeo, btw, and she's not a kid anymore. Read comments and qrts, but I think the problem is obvious.

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@grok what giselle did this time

This ain't Elon's platform, mate.😂

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Look like twists to me also they all look so freaking bad. Tacky outfits and what are those bangs Karina. They look unrecognizable.

That's my issue. The styling is really bad, especially compared to the others. Karina is so so with her hair, but Giselle is nonsense. Ning and Winter looks 10 times better.

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I doubt she has input in what hairstyles to have.

Don't the stylists usually plan and do it themselves????

So if anyone's to blame, maybe it should be directed at the stylists' and production teams.

So, my vote went to The Company.

I don't disagree, BUT that's why I add "if the Idol is old enough" they should be blamed as well. She's not a kid anymore, she knows what's about to happen, and Idols need to speak up, because it's their career, not the hair stylists'.

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What hypocrisy anyway?

Are you saying people won't hate Giselle for this?

Or are you comparing to what I think you are, we are past that

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Just dropping by to ask David what hypocrisy he believes is occurring. Please expound.

Isn't it obvious? Kpop fans (not just one fandom) usually protecting their faves even if they do something they shouldn't do, and I'm not talking about CA alone. We've seen Idols doing really weird shit, and many of their fans tried to make excuses. NOT EVERY FAN, obviously, but still, and at the same time, the same fans going on like crazy and attacking other Idols for the same or less.

That's why I said they're hypocrite, but to be fair, people are like this in general, not just Kpop fans. So, the hypocrite part isn't really about Giselle.

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I think people might be not be able to fully perceive what our highly esteemed scholar and intellectual, David, is suggesting with the way he set the narrative for this thread.

That being the case, I'll read between the lines and clarify for him.

David is implying it's hypocritical that Giselle isn't getting canceled or attacked by K-Pop stans for cultural appropriation, attributing it to her being an idol from a big company, while Kiss of Life were widely criticized and canceled for their incident.

It's almost like someone (me) here has been saying for months that this man hasn't learned his lesson from those Kiss of Life threads.

Do we really need a multi-faceted breakdown of the reasons why people might not treat these two things the same?

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tl;dr: "Why don't all the black K-Pop fans get mad about this too?!" is what he really wants to say.

I expect nothing less.

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That's not what I was saying at all, but I'm not surprised you didn't get it.😂

But the fact is, BIG4 groups can get away with much worse than small agency groups because they bring more money. Ergo, it's hypocrisy!

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Where's the option for Shutup David?

Didn't say anything, why should I shut up? I asked a question. If this problematic or not? Answer the question, simple.

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This is a case of you seeing only what you want to see. There’s a ton of backlash towards Giselle about this.

It’s just that Kiss of Life was caught on camera, on a live stream, doing what they did while taking credit for what they did.

When it comes to styling controversies, idols have the stylist and the company as a shield in a sense. Of course they wouldn’t go down as hard for it.

Cultural appropriation in hairstyle or clothing for a concept isn’t comparable to acting out a caricature out of one’s own volition. The double standard you’re speaking of simply isn’t there.

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Mate, I'm not talking about Twitter or Tiktok. Those platforms are full of haters and toxic idiots anyway.

The fact is, KIOF was banned from KCON for a good reason, meanwhile Jane Porter's husband can run around in the US wearing cornrows without being canceled. BP members still didn't apologize for what they did. To be fair, Young Posse members didn't apologize either, but the problematic ones are underage, so it's all on the agency.

I agree about the last part. Concepts aren't the same what KIOF or Tarzzan kid did and still doing every day, basically, but if people draw a line, people will use it a loophole.

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Why's the narrative "KIOF got banned from KCON"? A lot of K-pop fans have these very extreme takes when, realistically, it was probably a mutual decision between their company and KCON.

Or when an idol chooses to leave a company, fans keep saying the idol got kicked out. In reality, it's a lot more nuanced than that. Not every news story needs to be sensationalized to the extreme. Real life isn't K-drama. A lot of international K-pop fans see Korean people through a K-drama lens.

Until we stop seeing things in black and white, we can't see these issues for what they are.

That's not the point here, and KIOF is just the latest example. To be honest, they're the only example because I don't remember if any other Kpop group got banned for doing something like that. So, it's not like I can mention anyone else.

If you think it was mutual, you're naive, it's like when celebs say: "Our divorce were a mutual decision." Nonsense. Just like divorce, these things are not mutual, like ever. Kcon probably said to S2: "Sorry, but you're not in the line-up because it can affect our brand, and we can lose a lot of money." So, S2 doesn't have a choice, it's not like they can say: "No, we won't do that, we want KIOF to perform at KCON." KCON probably give them some money, because of the contracts, but that's all.

When an Idol leaves a group or kicked out is a different story but similar in terms of they don't have a choice, because the company have to do what the majority of people want.

I think this topic should be black and white. If CA have levels, so you can do some things without being canceled, people will find a loophole, as I said. In my opinion, what KIOF did and what ADP's Tarzzan doing for YEARS is not much different.

People can disagree, but my opinion won't change.

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I don't think we can compare this to what KIOF did, if that's what you're trying to do. There's of course different levels in what people are willing to tolerate.

Also, I don't like when kpop fans try to weaponize black people's culture and feelings to attack another idol/groip. It's tiring when kpop fans do that because most don't actually care about black people's feelings or others issues, so why weaponize it to get people to attack an idol?

As for Giselle, I just think they set her up because I don't think they worked as hard on her as compared to the other members. Unsure what their vision was, but they didn't deliver.

No, that's not what I was trying to do, I didn't compare this Giselle issue with anyone for that matter. It's just an example of SOME people find this a problematic thing, and some say it's nothing special and not even a CA.

My thread's main topic is basically me asking you all what you think, which side you are on. That's all, nothing else.

I agree about the 2nd part of your comment, that's why I said Kpop fans (and people in general) are hypocrites.

I don't believe in this "set her up" statements btw, because as I said, even if this isn't a CA, her styling is a mess, but she's not a kid anymore, she's 24 I think, she could say: "I don't like this, I don't want to wear this, I don't like the hairstyle, and it can be problematic for some people."

Now, we're never gonna know if she said all these things and SME as usual just said: "Do what we're asking, and shut up." or she never said anything. That's why this part of my thread is just hypothetical.

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Shut up, David.

No one owns an exclusive trademark on a hairstyle, and thinking you do is just ignorant. What's more, this isn't even the hairstyle people get so uppity about, making your rage bait look even dumber.

Talk to me when you actually know what rage bait is.

Go, argue with people who say the opposite of your statement.

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There is always a line duh. What the fuck are you even talking about. Otherwise we wouldn’t even have law. Law so literally about drawing the line and deciding the “punishment” based on what line is crossed that’s literally how society works. By drawing lines.

If you can’t see the line then actually that’s when you’re a bigot.

Mocking a culture outright on live is nothing compared to cultural appropriation.

Giselle is getting appropriate backlash for her “crime” (so to speak) which is nothing compared to kiof.

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That's what I'm saying, there's a line and people say KIOF crossed it, but not BP, not Tarzzan, not Giselle and so many other Idols. That's why I'm saying, there's a loophole, because there are things you can do even if it's CA and there are things you can't. I didn't compare anyone with KIOF btw, but as I said above, it's not like I can mention anyone else who were banned.

Imo, anyone who did a CA crossed the line and should be treated the same way as KIOF. ESPECIALLY if they didn't even apologize!