SM has no idea what to do with H2H and it's sad.....

SM is not knowing what do with any of their newer groups. It's the same problem with RIIZE and to a lesser extent NCT Wish. I can't see anything remarkeable.

I few like older groups are not that affected, because they already are formed and have an identity given by people previously working at the Company, so SM just have to follow a formula. Now when they need to create one...

Honestly I was very confused from the teaser pics to the MV video! My theory is they cut a lot of things out! Some of the teaser pics outfits and scenery didn’t make it to the MV and some outfits and scenes in the MV were not teased

Sm has always been messy tbh and rushed ironically

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s going on internally in SM but H2H have massive potential and personally I really loved their debut songs!

The marketing department needs to get it together and do their job! Stop relying on the SM name/brand to carry H2H because the girls deserve the effort

I loved the initial teaser video but then we had to wait almost a month for the next thing the point? Luckily H2H seem to be very talented and I have no doubt they will turn this around but SM do need to do better!

maybe they're going for a dual concept? like rv...

You are saying this bc they flopped, but I don't see a problem with having several types of teasers, images pre debut. If they are charming enough they'll do well, if not then they won't. The company do need to give them better songs, but they literally just debuted so waiting is better than already complaining or trying to blame the company for a supposed failed planning.

Give them some time. They'll have their own identity, probably.

The group have good music and for a sm group, that's literally all that matter. A bonus is that the girls are likeable too.

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You are saying this bc they flopped, but I don't see a problem with having several types of teasers, images pre debut. If they are charming enough they'll do well, if not then they won't. The company do need to give them better songs, but they literally just debuted so waiting is better than already complaining or trying to blame the company for a supposed failed planning.

Give them some time. They'll have their own identity, probably.

they haven’t flopped what are you talking about 😭

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they haven’t flopped what are you talking about 😭

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if this is flopping then sure

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You are saying this bc they flopped, but I don't see a problem with having several types of teasers, images pre debut. If they are charming enough they'll do well, if not then they won't. The company do need to give them better songs, but they literally just debuted so waiting is better than already complaining or trying to blame the company for a supposed failed planning.

Give them some time. They'll have their own identity, probably.

I feel similar though and it’s not because of their charting if anything they’re doing better than a lot of 5th gen girl groups in that stage also I loved their songs both TT and Bside!

But the direction has been very confusing! If you check all my post and theories based on the teaser pics and videos none of them were right I was shocked with the TT because I thought they were going a different direction completely!

I will always support them and loved their debut music personally but I’m not naive to see SM has been all over the place! Again it’s nothing really new for SM as they’ve always have been kind of rushed and a bit unorganised but it’s been the most obvious with H2H

I have no doubt the comebacks will be better prepared and more thought out in the direction. Right now I’m enjoying their music and as a fan wish the girls get the best and consistent effort put in

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if this is flopping then sure

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You just showed me 109 on melon saying it isn't a flop???

And physical sales.. congrats sme stans ?? No big4 will flop physical wise, but digital wise is another question.

And still too early, but start wise they aren't having great results, who knows, they can go viral yet this debut era!

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Compared to other 5th gen group debuts there top 2/3 the bar is pretty low

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They need to do what BabyMonster and KiiiiiiiiiiiKiiiiiiiii did: rebrand their debut as a pre release and keep releasing "debut" songs until something sticks

i am approving this new spelling of kiiikiii

this is our new list of approved spellings:

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I feel similar though and it’s not because of their charting if anything they’re doing better than a lot of 5th gen girl groups in that stage also I loved their songs both TT and Bside!

But the direction has been very confusing! If you check all my post and theories based on the teaser pics and videos none of them were right I was shocked with the TT because I thought they were going a different direction completely!

I will always support them and loved their debut music personally but I’m not naive to see SM has been all over the place! Again it’s nothing really new for SM as they’ve always have been kind of rushed and a bit unorganised but it’s been the most obvious with H2H

I have no doubt the comebacks will be better prepared and more thought out in the direction. Right now I’m enjoying their music and as a fan wish the girls get the best and consistent effort put in

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As a non fan who knows nothing about them I don't feel lost looking at them. Maybe it's bc you guys had some wishful dreams about what they could be and it wasn't that so your frustration (?) lead you to feel this way.

They didn't lie, it's just that you guys didn't expect that kind of song, image, etc, but like? To call it a rushed debut? I don't feel like it.

Who knows.

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You just showed me 109 on melon saying it isn't a flop???

And physical sales.. congrats sme stans ?? No big4 will flop physical wise, but digital wise is another question.

And still too early, but start wise they aren't having great results, who knows, they can go viral yet this debut era!

109 debut on melon is still better than aespa’s debut with black flopba omo

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Compared to other 5th gen group debuts there top 2/3 the bar is pretty low

If the bar is in hell they are also in hell with the others, not in heaven bc of a 109 place

And aside from them there is just Baemon and illit from big4 so flopped like Baemon (?)

But this isn't the issue here.

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109 debut on melon is still better than aespa’s debut with black flopba omo

So both failed.

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So both failed.

no, the chase won’t be as big a flop as black mamba was. it’ll rise top 50 on melon mark my words,

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When you thought you got your "catch you "moment :

But then it turns out you're just a stupid person who doesn't see half of the activity of a user on the forum but love to open your big mouth for nothing

my opinion about H2H have been the same before they even debut i didn't need to see their chart performance to have an opinion

so if you have no other stupid comment or you finish trying to act like you're a know-it-all, you can move on

it will always make me laugh to see people like you so quick to open their mouth on a subject without even having see half of my comment of this gg leading to their debut

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What gotcha moment? I just said what I thought.

And yes, I don't keep up with your activities here, congrats for discovering this now!!

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no, the chase won’t be as big a flop as black mamba was. it’ll rise top 50 on melon mark my words,

Remember you said this, because I won't forget! I keep receipts

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If the bar is in hell they are also in hell with the others, not in heaven bc of a 109 place

And aside from them there is just Baemon and illit from big4 so flopped like Baemon (?)

But this isn't the issue here.

Yes I think Beamon flopped their debut even more lol they were like 227 on melon

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As a non fan who knows nothing about them I don't feel lost looking at them. Maybe it's bc you guys had some wishful dreams about what they could be and it wasn't that so your frustration (?) lead you to feel this way.

They didn't lie, it's just that you guys didn't expect that kind of song, image, etc, but like? To call it a rushed debut? I don't feel like it.

Who knows.

Well technically SM did mislead me because half of what was on the teasers were not in the MV that’s my point

They did a month of teasers just to not show half of what they were teasing i think fans have a right to be upset/annoyed!

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You just showed me 109 on melon saying it isn't a flop???

And physical sales.. congrats sme stans ?? No big4 will flop physical wise, but digital wise is another question.

And still too early, but start wise they aren't having great results, who knows, they can go viral yet this debut era!

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I wouldn’t say a flop.

And KiiiKiii debuted at 102 on melon

This has nothing to do with their charting! They will probably rise when promotions start and I love their debut songs! But we’ve been misled and the whole Marketing has been odd! It’s true

SM has been lazy in many ways it’s almost like they thought “well our girl groups don’t do well at debut so let’s just hurry this up and sort out the comeback”

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I wouldn’t say a flop.

And KiiiKiii debuted at 102 on melon

296 And you came with receipts lets not start a fanwar this point isn’t about charting it’s about inconsistency from SM and lack of effort for H2H who deserving so much more!

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109 debut on melon is still better than aespa’s debut with black flopba omo

Well no. Black Mamba debuted #106 lol. Not that it matters as both are bad anyways, but BM reached #74 on Melon Daily, let's see if your prediction for this song is correct and it will reach higher.

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Yes I think Beamon flopped their debut even more lol they were like 227 on melon

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BABYMONSTER officially debuted on April 1st, 2024 with Sheesh, which reached top 10 on melon. Get your facts straight people.

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Anyways. I don’t agree with your points OP.

But I will say 1 thing. Their debut song is not it. It is not good! And it is first time I disliked SM group debut so much. It is definitely worst SM group debut of all time. SM should’ve chosen better song.

I don’t know what their A&R team is doing. But they are under the center of Shinee(Prism center). So I thought they will choose good songs.

When I heard Black Mamba my jaw was on the floor. I don’t expect that kind of shock factor from H2H, but I expected better song tbh than “the chase”

Their bside was good tho.

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I wouldn’t say a flop.

And KiiiKiii debuted at 102 on melon

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Generation of flops

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BABYMONSTER officially debuted on April 1st, 2024 with Sheesh, which reached top 10 on melon. Get your facts straight people.

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You might want to inform all the chart accounts and officials because everyone’s saying another thing regardless their debut or predebut still flopped it is what is

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Yes I think Beamon flopped their debut even more lol they were like 227 on melon

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Obviously they did!

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Well technically SM did mislead me because half of what was on the teasers were not in the MV that’s my point

They did a month of teasers just to not show half of what they were teasing i think fans have a right to be upset/annoyed!

Reminds me of some Itzy cb where the teasers were sooo different from the actual song, but that's life.