Well Utilized vs Misused Talents Of Kpop Idols!

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What do you mean? Write longer sentences, for Christ’s sake! You're not gonna be banned for it.🤣

I expected more detail. Especially for the 4th pair.

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This isn't really about vocals, it's about lazy companies vs better companies.

I think the video has enough details. It shows why XYZ agency doing a shit job.

Meh.

The rapper role is usually neglected. I feel that role is usually given to an idol when they have nothing for them. There isn't much effort for that role except for idols like Lisa, Jennie, Moonbyul, Soyeon, Julie, Exy, Moon Sua, and a few others. Most of the time they just give the idol a role and give them weak material. I'm a fan of Giselle, but it does seem with Aespa the rapper role is something is neglected and they may have given her that role because they had nothing for her.

Kazuha topic is interesting because she's not an awful singer like many people say she is. The main issue is Hybe doesn't give Le Sserafim material to hear her proper tone. I think she has improved and it's impressive how much she has grown since she had limited training when compared to other idols.

Shuhua part is intersting because it feels more like hiding her. I think main issue she gets overshadowed because she was always the weakest vocalist, and the others are just much better. I think getting Shuhua in small dosage is for the best and Soyeon most likely knows that, which is why we don't really see articles or fans calling out her vocals

I like Bae, and Nmixx is a tough group to standout in. I agree with OP that they're using her well because she doesn't look lost while performing and has her moments in songs. I think Nmixx is one of the hardest groups to stand out in when you have 2 powerhouse vocalist in Haewon and Lily, and a stronger dancer in Kyujin. I think what works well with Nmixx they're well rounded, so each member gets to have their moment.

The main issue with some groups they want to to give them material that doesn't work for the talent. Rather than creating material to highlight their strengths. It's easy to single out an idol, but it's up to the company to provide material to hide certain weaknesses and show their strengths.

Rora is definitely underutilized it's painful to see

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The rapper role is usually neglected. I feel that role is usually given to an idol when they have nothing for them. There isn't much effort for that role except for idols like Lisa, Jennie, Moonbyul, Soyeon, Julie, Exy, Moon Sua, and a few others. Most of the time they just give the idol a role and give them weak material. I'm a fan of Giselle, but it does seem with Aespa the rapper role is something is neglected and they may have given her that role because they had nothing for her.

Kazuha topic is interesting because she's not an awful singer like many people say she is. The main issue is Hybe doesn't give Le Sserafim material to hear her proper tone. I think she has improved and it's impressive how much she has grown since she had limited training when compared to other idols.

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Shuhua part is intersting because it feels more like hiding her. I think main issue she gets overshadowed because she was always the weakest vocalist, and the others are just much better. I think getting Shuhua in small dosage is for the best and Soyeon most likely knows that, which is why we don't really see articles or fans calling out her vocals

I like Bae, and Nmixx is a tough group to standout in. I agree with OP that they're using her well because she doesn't look lost while performing and has her moments in songs. I think Nmixx is one of the hardest groups to stand out in when you have 2 powerhouse vocalist in Haewon and Lily, and a stronger dancer in Kyujin. I think what works well with Nmixx they're well rounded, so each member gets to have their moment.

The main issue with some groups they want to to give them material that doesn't work for the talent. Rather than creating material to highlight their strengths. It's easy to single out an idol, but it's up to the company to provide material to hide certain weaknesses and show their strengths.

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I agree with this, honestly.

A lot of companies have shown disregard for material that compliments their artists and I feel like that's the issue with most of the people that OP mentioned.

It's always frustrating to me when I see fans criticizing an idol for their weaknesses when they should focus more on the company that doesn't do more to highlight their strengths.

A perfect example of this is Giselle and Kazuha. Giselle is better suited for the rapper position but in a group where 3/4 members excel vocally, SM will not bother to highlight Giselle's strength in rapping despite her being the main rapper which is why a lot of fans consider Giselle to be the weakest member of AESPA, talent-wise. That is false. Giselle isn't the weakest in talents, she just doesn't get room to shine!

I see ace potential in Kazuha because she has a really beautiful vocal tone and also has rapper material but Source Music producers almost never do her and her members any justice when it comes to their songs, mainly the title tracks. Which is why I've noticed that many of their songs in which Yunjin (or any other member) is involved in the production or writing process, is a complete 180 from their title tracks. Take Easy vs Swan Song, for example. Easy is lot harder for them to sing because it goes lower than their range but I feel they sing Swan Song much easier because its a little more within their range. Plus 4/5 members were involved in the writing process so ig they'd write it to better suit their voice.

OP was also right regarding Shuhua. GIDLE is one of the better groups that produce songs that perfectly complements each member's vocal tone and capabilities.

And then as for Bae, I just know she'd do a lot better if she, like Giselle, was given better room to shine. They both have the capabilities and talents but they are given less credit and spotlight because their other members are more eye-catching in their respective areas.

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Exactly! I mean your whole comment, basically.

For vocal groups, especially at SME, the "rapper" role is pretty much useless in almost every case. That's why Moonbyul stands out, because she's completely different than any other Kpop rapper. It's not even exaggeration when I say, no one else does rap the way she's doing it.

Soyeon, Julie, EXY, Moon Sua are more typical rappers, but in a good way. YG rappers are always stands out, because YGE is a Hip Hop focused agency anyway.

The biggest problem with most Idol group "rappers" is that they don't write their own parts, or the company don't let them, and it doesn't feel authentic, and there's the other part what is happening in Aespa, for example. They hardly have any time to shine, and if they get some lines, it usually not that good. Thankfully, SME groups can shine as vocalist, even the worst one could be at least a Lead Vocalist.

I think Kpop agencies need to forget this: "Everyone has to be a role in a group." madness, because it's outdated, especially when it comes to the rapper role. They should teach them rap and write music, or forget that role entirely.

Le Sserafim in general is an interesting group, because they're one of the best example when you have decent singers, but the company gives them songs they can't sing properly. Also, HYBE don't do any vocal training.

Shuhua is a good example of what happens when you're below average, but your producer doing a great job hiding your flaws. You can't really see people hating on her, because she's not good enough.

I will leave this here from Kim Sejeong, what she said about Idols!

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Forgot to mention Dami when talking about rappers. I think she's so unique and commands your attention whenever it's her part

I remember Sejeong getting a lot of heat for being brutally honest here. Happy she said that because she's correct, but I remember twitter got angry with her about that. Unsure if it was the same reaction in Korea, but social media was toxic towards her for being critical.

I don't think there's anything wrong in knowing an idol's limit and working towards that. I think a lot of groups make the mistakes during performances in making choreography where certain members can't keep up. I am unsure why they go that route, but it create more negative attention once people notice that. I am not going to name any names, but you can tell they made a mistake with choreography when a member couldn't handle it well, and it caused that member to get negative attention.

In the end, its up to the company to know their idols limits and how to showcase their talent. I think that aspect is key and not every idol can handle every role. The key is to create with idol in mind and don't force them into something they can't perform. It's like that with every genre like I am not expecting Charli XCX to perform a ballad.

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I agree with this, honestly.

A lot of companies have shown disregard for material that compliments their artists and I feel like that's the issue with most of the people that OP mentioned.

It's always frustrating to me when I see fans criticizing an idol for their weaknesses when they should focus more on the company that doesn't do more to highlight their strengths.

A perfect example of this is Giselle and Kazuha. Giselle is better suited for the rapper position but in a group where 3/4 members excel vocally, SM will not bother to highlight Giselle's strength in rapping despite her being the main rapper which is why a lot of fans consider Giselle to be the weakest member of AESPA, talent-wise. That is false. Giselle isn't the weakest in talents, she just doesn't get room to shine!

I see ace potential in Kazuha because she has a really beautiful vocal tone and also has rapper material but Source Music producers almost never do her and her members any justice when it comes to their songs, mainly the title tracks. Which is why I've noticed that many of their songs in which Yunjin (or any other member) is involved in the production or writing process, is a complete 180 from their title tracks. Take Easy vs Swan Song, for example. Easy is lot harder for them to sing because it goes lower than their range but I feel they sing Swan Song much easier because its a little more within their range. Plus 4/5 members were involved in the writing process so ig they'd write it to better suit their voice.

OP was also right regarding Shuhua. GIDLE is one of the better groups that produce songs that perfectly complements each member's vocal tone and capabilities.

And then as for Bae, I just know she'd do a lot better if she, like Giselle, was given better room to shine. They both have the capabilities and talents but they are given less credit and spotlight because their other members are more eye-catching in their respective areas.

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Yeah, Kazuha is interesting because there's a lot of potential. I think the main issue with her is many people form their opinion based on title tracks that she wasn't compatible with. There has been a couple of songs that weren't compatible for her and gave her lines that didn't work well imo. I thought their Japanese single star signs is something fits her well. I don't think they will make a song like that their main title track. However, I sensed a lot of potential in how to use Kazuha because I thought she did a great job.

I agree that songs that have Yunjin and the other involved works better for each member. I liked watching the behind the scenes of crazier because you can see how Yunjin was able to guide them into a solid performance. I think they just need to find a balance and work with them because they're all capable of performing well.

Honestly, it's not bad that Bae doesn't stand out. It's the thing that happens when you're in a small group. She most likely has her fans and she does get her moments. It's better to have her in her current standing than to not being able to handle material given and people noticing. I think the good thing about that group they're all well rounded, so we won't see them get nitpicked like other groups.

Sometimes it makes me wonder if we need idols more involved in the process. I know Soyeon situation is unique, but I feel more should get involved. I noticed for Le Sserafim things go very well when Yunjin is involved in the process. I feel she should get more recognition for that because if you look at her credits she's been involved in many of the songs I love from them. It's also crazy she originally written perfect night but they decided it was better for the group to perform it.

Also, would like to highlight Belle because she seems to have a good ear and involved in some good songs. I know it's probably asking for a lot, but I think things would work out better if idols can collaborate with the producers because results will improve imo

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Yeah, Kazuha is interesting because there's a lot of potential. I think the main issue with her is many people form their opinion based on title tracks that she wasn't compatible with. There has been a couple of songs that weren't compatible for her and gave her lines that didn't work well imo. I thought their Japanese single star signs is something fits her well. I don't think they will make a song like that their main title track. However, I sensed a lot of potential in how to use Kazuha because I thought she did a great job.

I agree that songs that have Yunjin and the other involved works better for each member. I liked watching the behind the scenes of crazier because you can see how Yunjin was able to guide them into a solid performance. I think they just need to find a balance and work with them because they're all capable of performing well.

Absolutely!

None of their title tracks are compatible with her except MAYBE Fearless. I also loved watching Crazier bts cuz that actually reminds me of how Soyeon guides each GIDLE member and gives them tips on how to sound better and I feel Yunjin is the best for this because she's the most vocally experienced member.

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Honestly, it's not bad that Bae doesn't stand out. It's the thing that happens when you're in a small group. She most likely has her fans and she does get her moments. It's better to have her in her current standing than to not being able to handle material given and people noticing. I think the good thing about that group they're all well rounded, so we won't see them get nitpicked like other groups.

Agreed!

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Sometimes it makes me wonder if we need idols more involved in the process. I know Soyeon situation is unique, but I feel more should get involved. I noticed for Le Sserafim things go very well when Yunjin is involved in the process. I feel she should get more recognition for that because if you look at her credits she's been involved in many of the songs I love from them. It's also crazy she originally written perfect night but they decided it was better for the group to perform it.

Also, would like to highlight Belle because she seems to have a good ear and involved in some good songs. I know it's probably asking for a lot, but I think things would work out better if idols can collaborate with the producers because results will improve imo

I agree with this also.

The idols should be given an opportunity to play a bigger role in the production process so that they can improve their musical ear. I also think its a way to save money because why not just train your idols in producing so that they can become more self-dependent instead of spending money on fancy producers that may not even do a good job.

Not exactly what I agree with.

Giselle is not an underwhelming rapper. She is very good idol rapper if you have heard her solo raps.

Main rapper position in Aespa tts is usually given to Karina. Karina also sings second pre choruses. While Giselle often does harmonies and background vocals. Hence many people don’t see Giselle in Aespa songs.

For people saying she is not talented, she is a very promising producer. She has a lot of credits under her name both in writing composing and producing. She also shares snippets of her self produced songs on bubble, but SM doesn’t let her to release them yet

Giselle is also on the same level as Karina when it comes to vocals. She is just last in popularity hence she doesn’t get killer points in the songs…

Tho in Whiplash she got good parts

Still Ningning got all the rap part in the song

Her solo song Dopamine showcases how her vocals and rap is good

Sm should just do better at giving rap parts to Giselle in group songs or give her good vocal parts if there is no rap