I feel bad for the idols who joined SM in the last 10 years

Considering how YG treated 2ne1 (and how they continue to treat blackpink), I can't imagine wanting to be a female idol at that agency. At least SM actually gives their girl groups comebacks and activities. SM is not perfect by any means but if I was going to go through the entire process of being a trainee, I would want to do it at an agency where I know I can continue to develop my skills and actually have group activities.

What’s the difference between TVXQ, SUJU, FX and today? Lawsuits, members leaving and people moving on has always been a part of SM.

Nothing really changed once you’re established or older you just find other things.

FX : less said the better they’re all doing their own things/left the company

TVXQ : left the company with lawsuit even sooner than any rv member left

SSND : had a member leaving scandal way back + members leaving sm and being in other companies

Shinee : members left as well

So like this is how it’s always been.

Also the loss of MHJ - she was the true successor to LSM and would’ve propelled SM into untouchable status if she’d stayed

The truth is that it's just too many kpop idols that want everything and be big stars. It's just not possible. The market is not big enough to have every member of every group becoming big solo artists.

And with SME the problem is probably that Girls' Generation has been going on for a long time and have taken up a lot of space for any new girlgroups.

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Also the loss of MHJ - she was the true successor to LSM and would’ve propelled SM into untouchable status if she’d stayed

No way you think like that🤣

The group hiatus for Red Velvet doesn’t sound right tho! They have decent amount of cbs!

But they are very poorly promoted and managed hence the mistreatment(it is not exclusive to RV btw)

And after LSM left SM more senior artists who were loyal to LSM also left! Even when SM was bad LSM kept that SM family under his umbrella!

And SM might not give their idols what they want, hence they leave!

One example- Taemin! He really wanted to go solo World Tour, but SM in his entire 10 years of solo activities didn’t give him a concert outside of Japan and SK! Also he wanted more creative freedom and other things, which SM couldn’t do, so he left SM for his solo endeavours!

SM is no way a good company, and should pay for its crimes and wrongdoings, but they give their idols very good training, and music!

I’ve just caught up on the Joy news to answer the op I think all companies are like this, well the big 3/4 anyways Giving this false sense of hope based on past groups/ idols only to be currently disappointed.

I think Joy leaving isn’t all that surprising considering she’s been very vocal recently with how unhappy she is with SM marketing or lack there of for Red Velvet’s comebacks even as recent as Cosmic. Both Joy and Yeri talking about their annoyance with SM and the lack of effort they put in for them

I think good on Joy she’s given 10 years of her life to SM not including pre debut years people can’t blame her for wanting to move on and explore her opportunities I’m sure she’s leaving in good terms too and people are pointing out she’s leaving SM but still apart of RV

I place these 4 companies in 3 different categories:

JYP: knowing how to keep people together (as group) regardless of the result

Hybe: the best in marketing and promotion, lot of financial resources

YG: personal development, they promotes individualism even in a group.

SM: Where you can develop your singing skills as an artist

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No way you think like that🤣

I'm telling ya with MHJ at the helm SM would've gone band for band with HYBE, plus they would also have newjeans who's is one of HYBE's biggest cash cows

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Considering how YG treated 2ne1 (and how they continue to treat blackpink), I can't imagine wanting to be a female idol at that agency. At least SM actually gives their girl groups comebacks and activities. SM is not perfect by any means but if I was going to go through the entire process of being a trainee, I would want to do it at an agency where I know I can continue to develop my skills and actually have group activities.

I agree but SM chooses who and when to promote them well or not. They give their idols regular comebacks and all that but they also control their growth. Look at how SM has promoted RV since they renewed their contracts. They stopped giving them full albums, gave them shitty promotions for their comebacks, downsized their concert venues and reduced their concert dates.

Imagine a full RV doing a fan con around Asia instead of doing full concert tours in good sizable venues around Asia and the West.

That's the problem with SM.

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I'm telling ya with MHJ at the helm SM would've gone band for band with HYBE, plus they would also have newjeans who's is one of HYBE's biggest cash cows

MHJ didn't have the power to do that in SM that's why she left. SM is too big with huger standards for her to do that unless she does it in a sublable under SM.

One of the worst things is also the top middle to lower middle companies who got bought by other companies. As example RBW Entertainment and Hybe Labels bought a bunch companies over the years and it often ended up being quit awfull

I feel bad for the idols who've joined any Kpop company, because they all suck. Company stanning is a bizarre phenomenon that needs to be studied, because it's a gratuitous form of tribalism where you're choosing one flaming pile of shit over all the other flaming piles of shit.

and yet they are still part of the big3

and people still want to join SME

if SM is as bad as people say they are why are people still wanting to join them?

why not Hybe or JYPE or YGE or a host of other smaller companies