There, I said it! Don't argue with me. YamaChwan, you started it, so I will continue!🤣

Okay, okay, I will give you all a poll. Please, let's be fair and vote.

So, IF MAMAMOO would have the same resources and fame as TWICE, BLACKPINK or BTS, do you think they could win a GRAMMY?

My answer is obvious, because I always said, they're way above Kpop, they're real artists with an almost perfect discography, not to mention their talent that could rival almost everyone outside Asia.

I said, RIVAL, not better than anyone, before you misunderstand this!

Anyway, let's vote!

Some of my fave performances!

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"If my Grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike"

same vibes..

At least you tried.

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Wasn't BTS already nominated? They technically "could" have won a Grammy. They were never going to, but they could've.

Mamamoo wouldn't win even if nominated. I don't think would be nominated in the first place because I don't see Mamamoo's sound gaining traction in the west, similar to how Twice's sound didn't. Part of the reason why BTS and Blackpink blew up is because of their western-friendly sound. Mamamoo doesn't have that.

That's my point. BTS was nominated, and they had the same exact path as Mamamoo, before they became big. The ONLY difference between BTS and Mamamoo is that Bighit actually cared about the boys and promote them.

The only thing Mamamoo is lacking is a good company, and probably the fact that they don't speak English well.

Maybe most of you don't know this, but even before debut, Mamamoo was recognized in the West by one of the biggest Legend of all-time, Quincy Jones, and he won 28 Grammys. Don't forget, MMM originally is a Jazz, Blues, and R&B focused group! If that's not Western style, I don't know what is.😅

I'm not sure how much do you know about Mamamoo's music, but they don't have a specific sound like most Kpop groups. They released songs in almost every genre. Saying, MMM doesn't have that, it's 100% untrue!

BTS and Blackpink didn't become massive, because their music is suited for the western audience, it happened because YG and Bighit promoted them well, and they have ENGLISH songs.

The sad thing about music is that many people still don't like to listen to songs they can't understand, but MMM's style and songs, are absolutely made for the Western audience. Mamamoo is more suited to that market than most Kpop groups, actually. Not only because of their style and charisma, but because of their personality as well. They have zero filter, they support everyone without being afraid to be judged, and that's something you can't say about other Kpop groups, because they can't talk about those things even outside of Asia without being dragged down by Knetz.

I mean, just look at Hwasa, if there's a Kpop Idol who's a perfect fit for the Western music industry, it's her.

Maybe it's a bit of a stretch, but Mamamoo is basically the Korean version of Destiny's Child, Little Mix or Fifth Harmony. And no, this isn't my opinion, other people said this.

I will NEVER stop talking about the fact that MAMAMOO was invited to Coachella in 2020, but Covid ruined it. Without Covid, we would see a totally different MMM now.

My all-time favorite MAMAMOO song is still "Piano Man". That song could stand on its own against any Western song.

And this is ROOKIE Mamamoo!😅

This is also Mamamoo, btw. I HATE techno with all my hearth, but if a group can do something like this, they can do anything.

Not to mention Solar's COLORS song.

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the first part is kinda true- but for BTS their English songs came AFTER their big blow up, (Dynamite in 2020 & Permission to Dance in 2021)

but as for MAMAMOO, I do believe if they had better resources & good promotion............man they could have gotten big nominations and success. their music spans across so well and sounds magnificent plus they're so well at what they do. And Hwasa would be a good fit for the Western Music industry- like she's bold and fierce and would just fit well

Really? I thought they had English songs before their success outside of Asia. My memory is not good when it comes to "new" boy groups.

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I’m sorry but Mamamoo’s music is not it, that can make them win Grammys!

There are really few contender songs and albums that deserve Grammys in Kpop scene, but it’s not definitely Mamamoo!

I get that they are talanted but they don’t have Grammy level songs or Albums!

And more money won’t help, cause it didn’t help any big 3 group, or even BTS! They were nominated but couldn’t win

Let's be real, BTS was nominated, because they're BTS, and the Western Music Industry don't take Kpop seriously. The fact that they were nominated is a miracle tbh.

I don't know how many MMM songs did you listen, but if there's a girl group who can rival BTS's discography, it's Mamamoo.

I'm not saying more money would help them win a Grammy, but with better promotion they would be there where BTS and BP.

And for the record, Mamamoo is created by one of the most successful Korean songwriter/composer, Kim Do-hoon, who wrote one of the best BTS song "Blood Sweat & Tears" as well, not to mention IU's "Marshmallow". He wrote like 1000 songs. Sadly, many people don't even know how many Iconic songs he wrote or composed for Kpop groups or other Korean artists.

Mamamoo is #87 on Rolling Stone's "100 Greatest Songs in the History of Korean Pop Music", their album "MELTING" is #7 on Billboards' "The 25 Greatest K-Pop Albums of the 2010s", without doing anything outside of Asia. Blackpink is not even on this list, just sayin', only BTS.

Maybe, you should rephrase what you said about their discography.😉

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Lol please

The HARDEST Kpop song to sing is on Rolling Stone's TOP100 of All-Time list! Nuff said!

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I don’t know many mamamoo songs! Around 15!

But the songs that I listened didn’t impress me on a Grammy level production!

I also don’t think that there are many Shinee songs that are Grammy level either! Shinee IMO has only 1 song that is truly on that level, which is Sherlock(rated number #6 (highest ranked kpop song in that list) by Rolling Stones among 100 best boyband songs of all time)

IU has an album that can be nominated at Grammys!

BP’s discography isn’t even great(no shade to the girls)

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They have like 160+ songs, be serious, please. You only heard their title tracks, probably. So, it's not like I can take your opinion seriously, at least when it comes to a conversation like this.

I can accept that you don't like the song that you heard, because everyone has a different taste, BUT don't forget, most Grammy winner songs are not songs that EVERYONE loves!

If the Western industry would take Kpop seriously, I'm pretty sure, there are at least 10 Kpop artist, including soloists, who could win a Grammy.

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I’m sure they have a lot of great songs, but if there are any Grammy level songs link me, so I can listen!

And I will listen to their Melting album too!

Well, here's a list if you want:

Don't be Happy, Piano Man, the whole MELTING album, Decalcomanie, Yes I Am, Paint Me, Starry Night, Be Calm (Hwasa solo), Egotistic, Rainy Season, Wind Flower, Hello (Solar Solo), the whole 4Seasons project (4 EP), the Reality in Black album, Travel EP, and of course the ONLY full-on ballad album by a Kpop group: WAW!

And 2 CF song: Wanna be Myself and GLEAM, the song that was so good, people thought it's an actual title track.😅

These are the best, basically.

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I've listened to the group's entire discography, so I know a thing or two about their music and their sound, and I stand by what I said about their sound. Praise from some artists is nice, but that doesn't have anything to do with them winning awards.

To say that their sound didn't cause BTS and Blackpink to become big in the west is crazy. It's not like one day they were unknowns and the next they blew up: they have a specific sound in their music that westerners liked, and that helped escalate them. Marketing doesn't explain that alone since many groups have marketing teams yet only one group really could get to that level (for various reasons that I don't feel like antagonizing others for).

I feel like your reasoning so far has many unfalsifiable claims, which is fair since this is just a hypothetical that that actually be determined, but I don't see anything in Mamamoo's discography that would really elevate them to winning a Grammy in the western world that isn't "Best K-pop Group."

Do you see anything like that in Taylor Swift's discography, for example? Yet, she won 14 or how many? MAMAMOO miles better in every possible way than her. Even tho I like some of her songs, she's overrated as hell. Just like many other popular Western artist.

I said BTS and BP's so called "sound" is not the reason, because Blackpink isn't even the 1st or even the 2nd with the same type of music at YG. In the case of BTS, it's different and what happened to them is actually what you said. One day, out of nowhere, they became big. It's not like BTS released crap music before that.

Both BTS and BP are lucky, because being popular as them, is not just about hard work or good music, 90% of the time it's about LUCK and good TIMING! It's not like their discography is miles better than other Kpop groups'. There are many others with much better, actually. That's why I said it's not about music, because there are many groups who released songs that Western people can like, but not all of them are talented as Mamamoo.

Technically, MMM is the one of the few Kpop groups that actually like a western girl group. Not because of their nationality, but because of their talent, style, and personality. So, yeah, this isn't really about the quality of their songs.

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"Tomboy" over "Décalcomanie"? What is "Anti-Fragile" doing on a list like this? "The Chaser" behind "Girl Front"? "Wannabe" in the top 40? This list is fraudulent. I refuse it

Some picks are weird as hell, but overall it's not a bad a list.

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They had a lot of Korean hits even if at debut they didn’t have exposure if they were actually appealing to a broader audience they would have hit big internationally as well after those hits.

Their concept is not really appealing to a wide audience and that’s all right.

You can't hit BIG outside of Asia, if your Agency doesn't do shit. Their one and only chance was Coachella. Even their 1st World Tour was a massive success, #1 debut US tour for any Kpop group or girl group overall, don't remember, but that's all fan-power.

Like I said, Mamamoo doesn't really have a concept, because they did and doing so many things. They're neither cutesy nor badass.

The only song was a hit even in the US is "HIP".

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Swift has many more connections in the American music industry than Mamamoo has in all of Asia. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest here because the Grammy is not merely an award for quality, in the case that it was then Swift doesn't get 14 in the first place.

THIS is exactly what I mean, THE CONNECTION! Sure, not everyone like MAMAMOO's songs, because everyone has a different taste, BUT if they have connection, they have a much better chance to win Awards. Simple as that.

And it's not like Mamamoo's discography is crap, even I want to be fair, I'd say it's above average and miles better than most Western Pop song that won a Grammy.

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It's widely acknowledged that the reason BTS and Blackpink became so big was in large part due to timing. It doesn't really matter if previous YG artists had the same sound as Blackpink before and didn't get big since they weren't around at the time.

Actually it matters, because I think you said, people love them, because of their music and style, and it's suited for the Western audience. But they're not even the 1st or 2nd group that did the same. That's why I said, it's all about luck and timing, and of course a good company who promotes them. The rest doesn't really matter, because being mainstream doesn't really have anything to do with talent or good music.

I mean, for example, 90% of the Western Pop artists are average at best, and I was kind. 😅

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Can you actually give a convincing reason at to why they would, let's say, outcompete Blackpink for example?

They already did that. Not only because they're 10 times more talented and have a much better discography, and they're real artists, because they're a self-producing group, but because they won Awards that Blackpink never did, they beat them in Korea multiple times, and between 2016-2020 they beat most BIG4 groups, even boy groups, and Legendary Senior artists. Also, they broke BP's US debut tour record. All this without doing any PR worldwide.

Sure, outside of Asia, it's not a competition, especially on streaming and album sales, but comparing those stats would be ridiculous. Give them the same resources and it's a different story. I mean, Messi won't beat any kid in football if you cut off his legs. That's my point, basically.

Like I said, if Covid don't ruin their Coachella plans, we could see a different Mamamoo now. They were invited there when they were in their peak. Now, it's too late for that. In the Music Industry, people only care about the new things. That's why BTS, BP or TWICE won't dominate this industry forever.

Also, Kpop is a cycle. BTS and BP debuted and became big when Kpop was the most mainstream outside of Asia. This happens like every 10 years or so.

I will say it now. We won't see the next 2-3 massive groups till 2030! Maybe NewJeans can pull it off if their crazy "parents" will finish their lame Kdrama, but I can't see other groups become massive like BTS and BP in the near future.

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i like how in every poll you make everyone just completely disagrees with you

I just love how BLINKS think the meaning of life is "Everyone has to agree with you", and if not, your life is worthless. 😂

You have a really sad life, if you think that's the ultimate end goal.

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Be serious... No song or group from k-pop will ever win the Grammys. Wake up from your dream David!

I said: "COULD" not "WILL". No one ever though a Kpop artist will get a Grammy nomination, yet BTS has one.

You know what other people said about the Queen back in the day? They said, their songs are too long, and people won't listen to any of them. Yet, people still love their songs.

If ANYONE think, you can't achieve something in life, just because some random person says it, you're NEVER gonna win anything, you lost already! That's a loser mentality!

The biggest artists, all-around the world, and not just in music, even in sport started from nowhere, people trashed them, yet they proved everyone wrong. That's how life works IF you work hard!