ADULTS CANNOT BE STANNING MINORS
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Shit escalated fast lol
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I get they like the music. But an adult spending their time looking fancams, talking about the idols like "Oh, xxxx is so pretty, etc etc" Figthing about sales and shit? Is fuck... pathetic, man. I wouldn't leave any child under the supervision of a male who behave like that. I wouldn't leave them with females either, but for a completely different reason.
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aespa - 22.8 yrs
Le sserafim - 21.6 yrs
IVE - 19.8 yrs
NewJeans - 18.2 yrs
Babymonster - 17.2 yrs
ITZY - 22 yrs
So on average all these groups are adults except Baemon
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Uncle stans will not be pleased to hear this!
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Apparently you have to
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It's definitely minors funneling all the money into K-Pop and making these labels rich enough to go public and get listed on the Korean stock exchange.
Fans constantly brag about sales numbers and tour figures, but then turn around and attack and shade and shame the very same demographic that makes all those achievements possible.
Music is for everyone, K-Pop included. Stop the silly gatekeeping.
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I always hate seeing this topic, so I hate drawing attention to it, but I do understand it. Even if you could prove without a shadow of a doubt that the persons intentions are pure, it's never not going to be weird seeing a grown adult show up to a fan meet with a bunch of teenagers.
Really my biggest issue with this topic is that we all know what OP is truly saying, and it's that adult MEN can't stan minors.
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When Jojo Siwa said that her genre was "gay pop", I was reminded of when some people call kpop that.
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All the worlds entertainment industry is very much about youth, so it's not really strange if you like Idols that are a lot younger, but it's of cource a big difference if we talk about 15 och 25 years old.
And as somebody else said, what do you mean by "stan"? I never use that word myself. I can be fan of a couple of groups, but I'm never crazy obsessed like I take the meaing of the word "stan".
As +40 I know it know it can be "odd" to follow kpop and watch MVs of girlgroups with age from 15-25. Do I care? Not really, it's not like it's a big deal. But I would prefer if they removed the youngest members from some groups.
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I agree. You are a creep if you’re into groups with minors and you go beyond being interested in anything other than their music so yeah listen to all the songs you like and if they have a concert feel free to attend it.
But if you’re obsessively collecting their albums and PC’s and follow their life down to every interview and video : you are a creep. There’s no doubt about this.
People get so defensive when people are creeped out by adults stanning minors but people have all the right to do so. Because it’s not normal no matter how you try to justify it.
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It's definitely minors funneling all the money into K-Pop and making these labels rich enough to go public and get listed on the Korean stock exchange.
Fans constantly brag about sales numbers and tour figures, but then turn around and attack and shade and shame the very same demographic that makes all those achievements possible.
Music is for everyone, K-Pop included. Stop the silly gatekeeping.
Fact's especially when 99% of the fans saying this BS are fans of popular groups like BTS who were minors at the time they started stanning. The hypocrisy is real
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I always hate seeing this topic, so I hate drawing attention to it, but I do understand it. Even if you could prove without a shadow of a doubt that the persons intentions are pure, it's never not going to be weird seeing a grown adult show up to a fan meet with a bunch of teenagers.
Really my biggest issue with this topic is that we all know what OP is truly saying, and it's that adult MEN can't stan minors.
I've been to more K-Pop events than probably most people here.
The takes I read on this topic always seem to be written by people who have literally only consumed K-Pop through their phone/computer screens yet they speak on these events like they're seasoned veterans who have seen unspeakable horrors in person.
I've been to plenty of fanmeetings and concerts and conventions, and there are tons of adults in attendance. There were zero issues whatsoever, and I'm sure the idols are happy to have fans of all demographics showing up to support them.
There were barely ANY minors at NewJeans' first performance in the states at Lollapalooza, and it remains one of the most cherished experiences of their young careers.
It's really only sequestered online communities where the discourse gets toxic and people relentlessly demonize adults who have the right to spend their money how they want on any hobby they want. If they're not hurting anyone, who cares?
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I've been to more K-Pop events than probably most people here.
The takes I read on this topic always seem to be written by people who have literally only consumed K-Pop through their phone/computer screens yet they speak on these events like they're seasoned veterans who have seen unspeakable horrors in person.
I've been to plenty of fanmeetings and concerts and conventions, and there are tons of adults in attendance. There were zero issues whatsoever, and I'm sure the idols are happy to have fans of all demographics showing up to support them.
There were barely ANY minors at NewJeans' first performance in the states at Lollapalooza, and it remains one of the most cherished experiences of their young careers.
It's really only sequestered online communities where the discourse gets toxic and people relentlessly demonize adults who have the right to spend their money how they want on any hobby they want. If they're not hurting anyone, who cares?
Yea I've never been to a kpop concert before, so I was definitely not saying that as a "in my experience" sort of way or that it's my opinion. Just speaking objectively. From what I've seen others say, such as yourself, the experience is generally as you describe. Most people are cool with it. So I do agree with you to an extent, but this topic does come up enough to make me think it's maybe not too acceptable. I am an adult male following some younger groups, so obviously I do not care.
I think it comes from younger people too. They seem to think at some point a switch flips and you stop liking the things you've liked as a kid. Like you'll see people literally saying you cant even like a group if it has minors, and that's just insane. Cant really help if you enjoy the music.
Actually what my statement was referring to was demonstrated by IsaidIsaid. Many people are going to view it as weird/creepy no matter what, and that kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
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I’m literally a gay man.
Its like my job to stan pop princesses.
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im not teehee (whoops)
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Yea I've never been to a kpop concert before, so I was definitely not saying that as a "in my experience" sort of way or that it's my opinion. Just speaking objectively. From what I've seen others say, such as yourself, the experience is generally as you describe. Most people are cool with it. So I do agree with you to an extent, but this topic does come up enough to make me think it's maybe not too acceptable. I am an adult male following some younger groups, so obviously I do not care.
I think it comes from younger people too. They seem to think at some point a switch flips and you stop liking the things you've liked as a kid. Like you'll see people literally saying you cant even like a group if it has minors, and that's just insane. Cant really help if you enjoy the music.
Actually what my statement was referring to was demonstrated by IsaidIsaid. Many people are going to view it as weird/creepy no matter what, and that kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
It wasn't my intention to suggest that those views were your opinions; your comments just gave me golden opportunity to yap about some recurring themes I've picked up on.
People demonize older fans, but the ones who go to concerts and fanmeets are HIGHLY unlikely to be anything but really passionate fans, and they'll be damned if some stupid kids tell them how to spend their hard earned money that is being used to support their favorite idols.
I've never seen any adult cause any kind of issue literally ever at any venue I've been to. I cannot say the same for younger fans.
And let's be real. Adults have WAY more to lose for being problematic than kids do.
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True in a sexual way
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It's definitely minors funneling all the money into K-Pop and making these labels rich enough to go public and get listed on the Korean stock exchange.
Fans constantly brag about sales numbers and tour figures, but then turn around and attack and shade and shame the very same demographic that makes all those achievements possible.
Music is for everyone, K-Pop included. Stop the silly gatekeeping.
Okay, "bunny."
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I agree it's weird if there's any lust or attraction involved.
Being interested in the music and the group dynamics? Supporting them as artists? That's perfectly fine.
I'd also like to point out a lot of K-pop fans wish to feel superior to others based on gender, age, fandom, or whatever it may be. Ageism is particularly common. I've seen the word "hag" being thrown around too casually in K-pop circles.
Is it just human psychology to want that feeling of superiority? Even if it is, that's something for us to be self-aware about. We are on a K-pop forum, displaying idols as our avatars and signatures. We're all losers here.
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Yea I've never been to a kpop concert before, so I was definitely not saying that as a "in my experience" sort of way or that it's my opinion. Just speaking objectively. From what I've seen others say, such as yourself, the experience is generally as you describe. Most people are cool with it. So I do agree with you to an extent, but this topic does come up enough to make me think it's maybe not too acceptable. I am an adult male following some younger groups, so obviously I do not care.
I think it comes from younger people too. They seem to think at some point a switch flips and you stop liking the things you've liked as a kid. Like you'll see people literally saying you cant even like a group if it has minors, and that's just insane. Cant really help if you enjoy the music.
Actually what my statement was referring to was demonstrated by IsaidIsaid. Many people are going to view it as weird/creepy no matter what, and that kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
This is not the case of “flipping the switch” no one cares if you still like Red Velvet from 2017. Minor idols are debuting in groups that probably debuted 1-2 years ago. This is not continuing to like something but actively getting into newer acts.
Again liking a group is very different from stanning them. There is absolutely ZERO need for adults to be so into minors.
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I agree it's weird if there's any lust or attraction involved.
Being interested in the music and the group dynamics? Supporting them as artists? That's perfectly fine.
I'd also like to point out a lot of K-pop fans wish to feel superior to others based on gender, age, fandom, or whatever it may be. Ageism is particularly common. I've seen the word "hag" being thrown around too casually in K-pop circles.
Is it just human psychology to want that feeling of superiority? Even if it is, that's something for us to be self-aware about. We are on a K-pop forum, displaying idols as our avatars and signatures. We're all losers here.
No it’s totally weird to be into the groups dynamics and the members. Don’t sneak that into listening to music.
What exactly are you as an adult relating to a bunch of teens about? Why do you care about the actions of a bunch of teens?
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There is literally and absolutely nothing wrong with being a damn fan and enjoying the personalities and content a group puts out. It's for everyone.
Moderate and protect idols from actual creeps, but stop demonizing older fans who just want to be a passionate fan without being constantly assaulted by gross labels.
They watch the content because it's fun and enjoyable and entertaining, if you're a fan of the group, and it's preposterous to vilify someone for that, even if they're 100 years old.
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It's horrifying for me when people have these kind of takes, because I imagine what is stanning an idol and/or a group for them.
Shouldn't we all be here for the music, variety content and observing their career or going beyond and weird It's ok If they are adults?
I think it’s weird to follow variety content and interviews and vlives and attend fansigns and stuff with minors in it if you’re an adult.
And I think it’s right for society to be weary of such people.
listening to music is for everyone, the idol
Side of kpop idols is not for everyone.
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What do you consider group dynamics? There's group dynamics as it relates to the music and choreography. Positions, line distribution, etc. This has less to do with the members' personal lives and more to do with their strengths and weaknesses. I'd say that's fine.
Then, there's group dynamics in terms of their personal lives. I agree that it's questionable to dive so deeply into that side of things, especially when the member is a minor.
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What do you consider group dynamics? There's group dynamics as it relates to the music and choreography. Positions, line distribution, etc. This has less to do with the members' personal lives and more to do with their strengths and weaknesses. I'd say that's fine.
Then, there's group dynamics in terms of their personal lives. I agree that it's questionable to dive so deeply into that side of things, especially when the member is a minor.
Watching performance videos and listening to music is never the problem.
Being a kpop idol means being personal with fans there’s no two ways about it. It’s following their vlogs and variety shows and what not.
I’m not just talking about sexualizing the idols but being in this space where you analyze and dissect and talk about and engage with minor idols though a variety of content that goes with being an idol.
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I think it’s weird to follow variety content and interviews and vlives and attend fansigns and stuff with minors in it if you’re an adult.
And I think it’s right for society to be weary of such people.
listening to music is for everyone, the idol
Side of kpop idols is not for everyone.
I really don't see the problem with the variety content. They are all heavily scripted for entertainment and usually they play games or show behind the scenes of a project etc. It's not like you are learning deeply about their personal life.
However, I get the sentiment about fansign/fan call. I already don't like the concept of it even for adult idols, because I think It's weird they have to talk to stranges and being nice just because someone dropped hundred of dollars just to be there. It's not something I'd be comfortable with knowing they are only there pretending to care about me individually because I paid. So I understand when someone side-eye involving minors. But I don't personally judge, just ignore.
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This is not the case of “flipping the switch” no one cares if you still like Red Velvet from 2017. Minor idols are debuting in groups that probably debuted 1-2 years ago. This is not continuing to like something but actively getting into newer acts.
Again liking a group is very different from stanning them. There is absolutely ZERO need for adults to be so into minors.
Yea "flip the switch" was a bad analogy here. I more meant if I hear a groups song, then find out they have minors, I'm not gonna be like "oh shit, guess I can't listen to them now". But I've seen people who even take it that far.
I won't disagree with you that at a certain point it becomes creepy, but I don't think that point is variety shows. I love BP, was obsessed with them for years. As a result, I follow Babymonster and will watch their variety content, because I love being part of the fandoms. I just enjoy the experience of following the group and interacting with other fans, the same way I did with BP. And I don't think people should have to be made to feel creepy/weird for that.
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Yeah, how about we not treat watching NewJeans hosting a legendary debate program against each other the same as trying to get into a fancall with one of the members. Those two things are not the same.
LE SSERAFIM have some of the best variety content, produced by one of the competent teams, in the industry, but I can't watch the content because I'm adult, because of some unhinged terminally online take that it's problematic?
Give me a break.
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Yeah, how about we not treat watching NewJeans hosting a legendary debate program against each other the same as trying to get into a fancall with one of the members. Those two things are not the same.
LE SSERAFIM have some of the best variety content, produced by one of the competent teams, in the industry, but I can't watch the content because I'm adult, because of some unhinged terminally online take that it's problematic?
Give me a break.
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If they have a parasocial type relationship and the member is a minor that is pretty weird 😭
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I really don't see the problem with the variety content. They are all heavily scripted for entertainment and usually they play games or show behind the scenes of a project etc. It's not like you are learning deeply about their personal life.
However, I get the sentiment about fansign/fan call. I already don't like the concept of it even for adult idols, because I think It's weird they have to talk to stranges and being nice just because someone dropped hundred of dollars just to be there. It's not something I'd be comfortable with knowing they are only there pretending to care about me individually because I paid. So I understand when someone side-eye involving minors. But I don't personally judge, just ignore.
I think that content is aimed at other teens not adults. Like what about a bunch of teens playing is so entertaining to an adult. Idk I firmly stand that it’s weird.
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