Kpop idols documentary : YES OR NAH ??

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    Yes or nah ? 22

    1. Yes (17) 77%
    2. No (5) 23%

    I'm kinda torn on the question so i want to hear other people opinion about it


    I watched Blackpink and Lesserafim 1st documentary and 1-2 episode of RIIZE documentary and i really liked them


    I like seeing how the group form and bond with each other, see their hard work during training and learn some behind the scene story


    But the 2nd lesserafim documentary left me torn


    - on one hand i like it to see them talk about their struggle and see them being this fragile probably make them look more humans to some people


    - but on another hand HYBE pushing so much the fragility and struggle of the girls on the front scene

    Made me feel uncomfortable

    It made feel like HYBE was weaponizing the girls emotions to gain sympathy


    If lesserafim aren't good sinder etc .. it's only because of HYBE who wasn't able to give them a good training vocal team

    And they receive a tons of blacklash because of this and never apologize for their lack of profesionalism by not giving their idols the proper training and expose them to such hurtful comment ( which would never happen if they did their job well)


    And in contrary of apologizing for their incompetence

    I felt like they just thought let put the girls in front of a camera and make them cry so we gain sympathy back and people stop bashing us


    It might be my opinion but that's why i felt so torn watching the last Lesserafim documentary

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    It's okay if groups have made tangible impact to kpop industry like BP or SNSD or TVXQ or BTS. You have plotline to be told. But definitely nah if they make it like le serrafim latest "documentary".


    The best kpop documentary I've watched so far is about Kpop Explained in Netflix.

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    Quote from tetetete

    Did you feel it was too dark and should have more positive content or did you feel their vulnerability was not original or a mix of both the points?

    Maybe it's my opinion but to me a documentary is a way to show the person for who it truly is with their strenght, vulnerability, good and bad moments


    That's why i loved celine dion documentary she openly show her disease and the impact it has on her

    But also her strenght and desire to be back on stage and do whatever it needs to be able to sing in front of people again

    It was a portray of who she really is she wasn't hiding her vulnerability and weakness but the whole documentary wasn't depicted as " have pity of me because i'm sick"

    It was more a statement of how brave, courageous and strong this person is to keep pushing with all of this in her life


    It's not that i didn't like lesserafim 2nd documentary but it wasn't as good than the first one

    Because considering the context when it was release, i couldn't watch it without seing the obvious hidden intention of HYBE behind this


    I didn't see it as a documentary meant to show who are each members individually and their personality, or a statement of how strong they are, or how like every humans they have their good and bad moments


    Hybe made of the girls vulnerability and fragility the main point of the documentary and the documentary was pretty much only around this subject

    I truly think the girls emotions were genuine and honest


    But i couldn't see this documentary as nothing else as a way for HYBE to weaponize the girls and their emotions to gain pity and sympathy for hybe and the girls


    I lean nothing about the dynamic between lesserafim members, i learn nothing about how they work hard, i lean nothing about their background, goals and personality


    The only thing i take from this documentary is that they are suffering


    And that's why i said weaponizing their emotions

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    the problem that I see here is that people think that documentary was released just because this or that

    meanwhile look when some of those scenes were recorded like year, even year and a half before today...

    so it was planned long time ago :)


    I liked Youtube Originals K-POP Evolution documentary

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    Quote from bartkun

    meanwhile look when some of those scenes were recorded like year, even year and a half before today...

    so it was planned long time ago

    Or some of these scene were scrapped from the 1st documentary and bring back because it fitted the leitmotiv behind the new documentary


    It actually a lot of time that some scene are cut from a movie or a documentary or even a video because they doesn't fit with the product they are trying to do

    But use for another one because it fitted the new one

    I feel like documentaries are coming out way too soon. Usually a documentary seeks.to give insight into the journey of a figure or event that have impacted or shaped something in the future and it is usually made when their impact has been palpable years later. I just feel that now a newly debuted group could have a documentary when they haven't carved a proper career yet.


    Meanwhile, groups with true impact will never get the same treatment because documentaries were not another way to make money or bring in new audiences when they were making history.


    As to HYBE using their artists "flaws' as ways to make people sympathize with them and gain them new fans, it has been a very profitable strategy that has brought them this far. So, why stop using it now?

    Overall, it's a yes for me but it really depends on how they are done. They can be too cheesy.

    I haven't seen LeSserafim's, so I won't comment on it.

    I like the ones that have a story to tell. The documentaries made for each BTS member's solo and J-Hope's On the Street were all examples of good documentaries imo.

    But the most recent one about the group felt purposeless. It recounted their debut struggles, their pandemic struggles, and the first concert back. There were timeline back and forths, not much new information, nothing really a fan didn't already know. It didn't make me feel like I took something away from it.

    Maybe I just like specific ones about one event, one album or concert more. Then you follow along the path of growth as well but it doesn't steer into cheesy territory as much.

    yeap it gives a sneak peak into the lifes and behind the scenes and hardships of the idols


    especially if they focus on the training and their trainee days since one of the things I aways say is that what differs kpop idols from other artists and so forth is the rigorous training

    the intense 24/7 with few breaks and constant need to perform without knowing whether one will ultimately debut or not is something that one cannot experience if one isn't a trainee/idol

    and from various documentaries and variety shows and so forth - those times are some of the most memorable to such idols if they debut and only those fellow group members (and other idols) understand how tough that entire process is


    the training process is one of the key factors that I personally consider whether someone is an idol or not and I really like documentaries that discuss that aspect of thigns

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    It's a yes for me if it's like a debut doc showing the pre debut struggles, good points, the good and bad side and then the successful debut and successful not just in numbers, but being able to finally debut. And docs after you get super iconic etc like how BP does and I think BTS too (?) idk if they do docs..

    But in LSRFM case I agree with you. Their debut doc made so much sense bc they suffered a lot with Garam being kicked out and re doing everything again with 5 members, but this one.. initially I thought it was a good idea, but the whole point was to give excuses for their lack of talent vocal wise instead of showing they working hard to improve. It's more a "we are like this and will continue so" instead of "we were like this, but we will do better in the future, please wait for us". And yes, Hybe totally used the girls weak mentally moment to gain sympathy.

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